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MM has made progress towards greatness this year and yesterday in particular. One knock on the offense is that it relies too much on AR making great plays after the called play doesn't work. What percentage of the Packers' successful plays happen as called? How many times does AR throw the ball on the 3rd or 5th step of his dropback vs how many big plays happen after things breakdown? That is one of the reasons I argue MM might not look so good without AR behind center.
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To be fair, that argument could be stated for BB as well. He's had the luxury of a HOF QB for over a decade in NE.... HOF players, especially at the QB position, elevates the overall play of any team.
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So now McCarthy doesn't even call the plays? Why does he even bother showing up if Rodgers just runs the show anyway. What a crock. Let's dig deeper...what percentage of called plays were actually the right call and Rodgers changed it to the wrong call? What's the percentage of called plays does Rodgers ignore and call his own play like Jamie Foxx in Any Given Sunday?
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Huh? Strawman? My point was one small knock on the offense is that I wish the team's success didn't rely so much on AR extending plays and making incredible throws. It makes me more nervous about the team if some injury to AR did occur. However, when you have a QB with that ability a coach might encourage it and make it part of the game plan. That very well could be.
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Originally Posted by Satori: Originally Posted by Fond Du Arrigo: I know you tend to react negatively when anyone suggests the possibility that someone outside the organization may be better than their counterpart inside the organization. I'll try to be more aware of your sensibilities in the future. Nope, you're wrong yet again (which is consistent with your posting history here) What I react negatively to... are weakly constructed arguments that are little more than a parrots pablum ( your...
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From the Bedard article: Took Bedard longer but Henry saw the signs first. Lead post in the Norvening thread, Sept 14. Originally Posted by Henry: After watching the past 3 years of this horsehit, ****ing abysmal defense I had hope that MM was going to keep growing and become a complete coach. With the absolute and utter failure of the first game and half (Seadicks defeated by the powerhouse Chargers), it was apparent that MM was hunkering down into a stagnant, failing "system". Tenaciously...
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Originally Posted by Henry: I cannot say enough for MM's involvement in the defense this year, even if it's just as motivator and a force to shake up personnel. Hmmm.
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Originally Posted by FreeSafety: Huh? Strawman? My point was one small knock on the offense is that I wish the team's success didn't rely so much on AR extending plays and making incredible throws. However, when you have a QB with that ability a coach might encourage it and make it part of the game plan. That very well could be. I don't think the offense is reliant on that at all. Every offense asks the QB to make the right throws or extend the play, but they all play to the QBs strengths.
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Originally Posted by CAPackfan: This game finally convinced me that this D is good enough. This is the best team they've had since 2010 IMO. Ahem. 2011. Yeah, still not in love with this D, but No 12 can carry this team to the very top.
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Originally Posted by Hungry5: Bedard thinks McCarthy is pretty good. Well, that's a knock against MM. Bedard is clueless.
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Originally Posted by FreeSafety: Still, you have to think about it relative to what Hawk or Brad Jones would have done on those plays. It is not like we had Mike Singletary sitting on the bench. Although, with Capers history, there is a chance that he picks AJ ahead of Singletary.
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Originally Posted by Grave Digger: MM is smart enough to cater his offense to his QB which is why he didn't ask Matt Flynn to do all the things Rodgers did when he had to start for him. That is really the key. He lets AR do more on his own because it works. On a side note, I don't think MM calls back shoulder throws as such. There was even a interview soundbite from Jordy Nelson during yesterday's pregame to that affect. Paraphrasing Jordy "What people don't understand and I keep trying to...
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Originally Posted by Goalline: Originally Posted by CAPackfan: This game finally convinced me that this D is good enough. This is the best team they've had since 2010 IMO. Ahem. 2011. Yeah, still not in love with this D, but No 12 can carry this team to the very top. The 2011 defense was terrible all year. It was just masked by the Packers having one of the historically greatest offenses led by a QB having one of the greatest seasons of all time. I tried to convince myself that their defense...
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It was an awful defense, and I became convinced of that about 3/4 of the way through the season, but that offense was that good.
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There were times yesterday where it seemed Belichick made decisions like McCarthy of a few seasons back, and vice versa. @FS, RE: McCarthy and Rodgers. It's really not one without the other, is it? As Rodgers improved with his ability to see the defense McCarthy has given him more freedom, because Rodgers plays within the scheme. That is something Favre wouldn't do, and while that was exciting for us fans it drove the coaches (at least Holmgren and McCarthy) nuts. While it looks like the...
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If this continues the Lombardi Trophy awaits.
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Peppers is such a key addition.... dude makes plays Swatted down one pass, tipped 2 others and forced Brady to alter his throw on another Packers lose CB# 1 after 10 plays and still slowed down the NFL's "best offense"
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Jones, Daniels, Boyd, and Guion with another solid job up front.
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GB v. NE on NFL Rewind in a few minutes.... I heard NE rushed with a lot of 3-man fronts, which might explain why the oline looked so good. I will rewatch the game, minus alcohol, and see for myself.
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Offensive line looked good because they generally crushed in their match-ups. Check this out. Linsley just burying his guy. RobDemovsky Great blocks by @jsitton71 @TJLang70 @Linsley71 on @Lil_Eazy_Ana_42's 17-yard gain in the 4th Q. #Packers 12/1/14, 2:33 PM
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I think they went 3 man front on the first drive, then switched it up after Lacy gouged them Also, they only blitzed on 14% of Rodgers drop backs. It's as if they thought they could take Rodgers weapons away and defend the back end. That worked in the red zone, but doesn't work from 32 yards out (Rodgers) or 45 yards out (Nelson).
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Rodgers does two things very well. A) He reacts quickly and decisively against the blitz. He anticipates who is getting the one on one matchup and exploits it. Clearly, you cannot blitz him. 2) He goes through progressions as well as any QB alive. If you rush with three, Rodgers will check down and hit 8 different receivers all day long. Still nobody open? The guys scans the field and see's 1st down with his feet. Clearly, you cannot just go coverage on him. How about all the touch passes he...
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PDXPackFan does not approve of this thread. lollololool.. zing!
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I kinda thought Rodgers did far more than 2 things well...
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nope. 2 things. Unless you have some sort of pencil necked geek stat thing you feel compelled to toss out there
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Originally Posted by Satori: I made my choice and my choice won. Yours lost and you are clearly having a difficult time accepting that. I'll try to be more aware of your sensitivities in the future, but I won't give a rats ass about them. Yes, I'm struggling to accept that the team I've been rooting for my entire life won the biggest game of the year up to this point. I'm pretty stupid, as you so elequently pointed out...which probably explains why I'd be disappointed with my team winning...
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This team is approaching, fast approaching elite status. IMO we need to wait for a few more games....there is plenty of time left till final grades are issued. The franchise was awarded elite status many years ago and will continue to breathe that lofty air for many years to come.
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Our offense may be elite, but the defense surely isn't. They are indeed playing better, are good to very good against opponents scoring, but they aren't close to being 'elite'.
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With this offense, an elite defense was never required. The ability to force two or three punts a game, keep them out of the endzone occasionally, and hopefully force a turnover a game is more than enough to tear up this league when paired with Rodgers and co. They're playing at that level right now.
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Interesting. For a post so emphatic about the ability to reason effectively, it is you who are here so lacking. Hint: Fond Du has no attachment to BB. Just honestly thinks he is a great coach (3 SB wins and 5 SB appearances might cause one to think that way and he's not alone). His attachment is to the Packers. The lack of use of gray matter is at this place - attachment. BB was never "his" and how could you fail to see that?
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I think we can all agree that when phaedrus becomes the voice of reason here, this forum has jumped the shark. What's next? "Hey Fedya, good job on the movie column this week.!"???????
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Hey Kiel - Your worldview is as well-rounded and grounded in indisputable fact as any I have ever seen! Thank you for sharing it with me!
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Hank - I thought I made this clear for everyone. Just send me a hundred bucks. Save the praying for others.
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I've got one! Q: Satori and JJSD walk into a room------which one is the smartest? A: The one that hands pakrz a sandwich and runs out the door.
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That's the funniest thing I've read here in a looong time
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Originally Posted by The Ref fka Blair Kiel: I think we can all agree that when phaedrus becomes the voice of reason here, this forum has jumped the shark. What's next? "Hey Fedya, good job on the movie column this week.!"??????? Just pi$$es me off when people act like tools. Provoking when it is so totally unnecessary.
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nothing pisses me off more than pissed off people
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Originally Posted by The Ref fka Blair Kiel: I've got one! Q: Satori and JJSD walk into a room------which one is the smartest? A: The one that hands pakrz a sandwich and runs out the door. We'd actually ask Pakrz to spell sandwich and rob him blind while smoke comes out of his ears and he has a seizure.
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phaedrus .....Easy mate. X4 is not for pussies. What pisses me off are humorless sots.
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Pseudo-intellectualism always goes over well too, especially when sprinkled in with faux self-righteous indignation.
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I don't like this. Things were a lot simpler when Henry was the moral compass around here.
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Originally Posted by phaedrus: Just pi$$es me off when people act like tools. Provoking when it is so totally unnecessary. Shut your ****ing whine hole.
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Much better! Now Henry can you do that thing where you close out the thread with one of your "You know fellas, in all seriousness, I think I learned something today..." posts? Just for old times sake?