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Re: Playoffs

MichiganPacker ·
As much as I'd like Bucky to get to the playoff, I think it's unlikely they get in. I think they'll either take Ohio State or the UW/Penn State winner, but not both. I think it's Alabama, Clemson, Washington, Big10 team. If they are really serious about the conference championship games, then Ohio State should be out, but I think they'll take OSU over Wisconsin or Penn State. Even if Clemson or Washington lose, I think they'll be a lot of momentum for Oklahoma to go if they beat Oklahoma...
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Re: Playoffs

The Heckler ·
I completely agree that they should be in for winning the best conference in the country. But, we better brace ourselves for not getting in and the committee picking O$U instead. We are going to see what the committee values more head to head matchup, conference titles, or the "eye test". They are going to pick O$U because they can use the excuse that they beat UW and have a good resume. Also, I just cant see a scenario that they drop Ohio St. 3 spots to #5 to leave them out. With all that...
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Re: Playoffs

FreeSafety ·
Good point. I don't know so I looked at a few of them. Colley Matrix , Sagarin and Congrove OSU 4, 15, 3 Average 7.33 Alabama 10, 7, 6 Ave 7.66 Wisconsin 25, 20, 4 Ave 16.33 Penn St 28, 39, 15 Ave 27.33 Colorado 42, 23, 17 Ave 27.33 Michigan 11, 33, 41 Ave 28.33 Oklahoma 54, 18, 29 Ave 33.66 Clemson 21, 47, 47 Ave 38.33 Washington 69, 60, 43 Ave 57.33 My point remains: Washington hasn't been tested anywhere near what the other top teams have. And when they were, they lost by two scores at...
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Re: Playoffs

Grave Digger ·
I think the committee factors in multiple criteria, but at the end of the day they pick who they believe are the best 4 teams in the country. I agree that the B1G winner SHOULD go, along with the SEC and PAC12 winners as those teams have gone through a gauntlet of inter-conference play AND won a championship outright. The Big 12 needs a championship game to legitimize their champion. If you want to compare quality wins: -Michigan has the best argument with 4 wins vs. Top 25 teams with 3 of...
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Re: Playoffs

Music City ·
If you're just looking at numbers next to their team names, sure. But who have these teams played? What are their strength of schedules? You will see that WSU got beat by E. Washington and doesn't have a single good win on their record- I don't even know how they're ranked. They fattened up on the weak underlings of the conference and lost every game against a team that didn't suck. Utah has losses to Cal and Oregon (both really bad teams) in addition to losses to Washington and Colorado.
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Re: Playoffs

Tschmack ·
I heard what might be the most logical argument so far on the Big Ten contenders, but it's not necessarily good for Wisconsin. If you were to rank the top 4 teams in the Big Ten (forget West v East) right now UW is 3rd. Even with a win v Penn State I'm not sure they leapfrog Michigan. Why? They've already beaten 3 top 10 teams including both UW and Penn State. The other factor is Michigan is just a better team and more equipped to handle an Alabama or Clemson or even Ohio State in the...
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Re: Playoffs

H5 ·
Everything I've read about the committee/selection process mentions nothing about star power. WIS on a neutral field is as good as any team in the country not named Alabama.
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Re: Playoffs

CUPackFan ·
It'd be a really bad precedent to put OSU and Michigan in and leave out the real Big 10 champ. For that reason, I think Michigan is done. And I actually don't like OSU being in - if you can't win your own conference, you don't deserve a chance to play for the national title. Not that anyone cares, but they should get rid of the Big 12, sending Texas and TCU to the Pac 12, West Virginia and Kansas to the ACC, Oklahoma and Oklahoma St to the SEC. Iowa St, Kansas St, Texas Tech, and Baylor...
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Re: Playoffs

Grave Digger ·
I agree with you about the conference consolidation, but I think they need to adopt the NFL playoff system and go to a 6 team playoff. 4 conference winners, 2 wildcard teams. 1 and 2 get a BYE, 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5. That way you're not penalizing teams for getting bumped out of a major conference, and good teams who lose competitive divisions still have a shot.
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Re: Playoffs

MichiganPacker ·
Good point Chili. Bucky probably gets beat by something like 31-6. If they want to, Bama could beat the Huskies or Clemson by 50.
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Re: Playoffs

Pikes Peak ·
Chris Peterson, James Franklin and Paul Chryst are pleading with the committee to rank them no higher than fifth. Relax, I know they aren't. Wisc/Penn State Vs Wash in the Rose Bowl would be a good game. Badgers would of course be my preference. I hope Clemson has a rough time tonite, dropping them to 4. Put Mich at 3 vs 2 OSU. Bama, OSU, Mich and Clemson are IMO the best 4 teams.
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Re: Playoffs

ChilliJon ·
LSU has a pretty good D. Not Wisconsin good. But good. They played Bama tight. Bama made a few big plays late and that was that. Bucky would make Bama sweat for a good while.
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Re: Playoffs

Pikes Peak ·
And vice versa
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Re: Playoffs

Tschmack ·
That's about it isn't it? Things take care of themselves. Wisconsin has had an incredible season but they were not one of the 4 best teams. No signature wins and that matters at this point. Losing close games is still losing close games. They will likely get a decent bowl game and they need to end the season strong and win the damn thing as they are capable of doing to cap a really good year.
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Re: Dos A Cero

Blair Kiel ·
Game got good.....and chippy.
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Re: Since No One Else Has The Stomach For It....Pos/Neg

PackerPatrick ·
+ Considering we were short on olinemen, the offense had some good plays. Lots of time to work on timing with the pass game. I believe it will pay off in the future. Starks looked better than he did pre injury. Adams and Jordy played well. I cannot fault the playcalling. (I guess a not complain now becomes a positive) - I loved some of the fire on defense but it did not help stop our porous defensive backfield. Injurys to Bak and Ryan. Why do we have 7 wrs but no backup true MLB? Just the...
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Re: Since No One Else Has The Stomach For It....Pos/Neg

pkr_north ·
+ I did get to wash and wax the car and change the oil in the snowblower, so there's that. - like others have said, i didn't even try to watch the game, only listen to it on radio, that is not really a good thing for the packers. there is no excitement right now, its spreading and I am not sure how the team will change things...seems beyond 1 or 2 players or even the coach, it seems like its systemic. it pains me to say this. it hurts.
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Re: Since No One Else Has The Stomach For It....Pos/Neg

Diggr14 ·
You are right man, that just goes to show how bad our division is right now. If they can take care of business in division (win all 3 at the end of season) and win 3 of the next 4 games. They finish 10-6 and that would be good enough. 9-7 might be cutting it.. so 2-2 coupled with winning the last 3 might be good enough too... but they need to win those division games for certain.
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Re: Hitler vs Stalin game thread (NE vs Seattle)

DH13 ·
As much as I despise these teams it's nice to watch some good football being played.
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Re: Hitler vs Stalin game thread (NE vs Seattle)

bvan ·
What a treat to watch good football.
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Re: Since No One Else Has The Stomach For It....Pos/Neg

H5 ·
+ Really good visit this afternoon at the University of Tulsa w/my son. - the Packers game that I stopped watching at 21-7.
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Re: Hitler vs Stalin game thread (NE vs Seattle)

fightphoe93 ·
When the Packers faced Seattle 4 times between 2012-2015, I felt like Russell Wilson was very good but not elite. That is ancient history and quite frankly, I think Russell Wilson is now elite. His passing from the pocket has improved and he's going to be a pain in the ass to the rest of the NFC for the next 8-10 years if he stays healthy. I think at worst, Seattle gets to the NFC Championship game again this year and it wouldn't shock me at all to see them win it all with the combination of...
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Re: Since No One Else Has The Stomach For It....Pos/Neg

Timmy! ·
+ Individual performances by Adams and Cobb. Starks did reasonably well. Spriggs did pretty good for coming in cold. He's still got work to do, though. Hell, I'm even going to give Barclay a '+'. At least he wasn't a turnstile today! - Lost to a 4-5 team, after losing to a 3-5 team the week before. No pass rush. None. No defense. None. 7-0 before folks have found their seats, 21-0 at the end of the 1st qtr, and 5 TDs by halftime is NOT good football. Yeah, being fairly decimated by injury is...
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Re: Since No One Else Has The Stomach For It....Pos/Neg

Timmy! ·
Sorry for the threadjack, but too cool, H5 ! Tulsa is my hometown. Even had a Grandmother that is a TU alum. It's a great school! Hope you enjoy the time there!
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Re: Since No One Else Has The Stomach For It....Pos/Neg

DH13 ·
That was not my point. My suggestion was if AR is out, it doesn't really matter if the rest of the team is. He is that important to their overall success. The 28ppg is a bit tainted by the fact a good chunk of those points were had while down by enough that the opposing D may have been a bit less than urgent. It sure looked like there were glimpses of the passing game of yore but they are so up and down from game to game and from series to series that it's hard to trust any definitive take...
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Re: Since No One Else Has The Stomach For It....Pos/Neg

h_i_mcdonnough ·
+ got to see packers in my hometown and in person. good packer fan attendance for tailgating and in the stadium. great pregame flyover and tribute to 101st airborne. - listen to local sports radio for next week! team plays with no passion, seems like this team takes for granted to be on field and in packer uniform, no passion or pride. couple of other observations: during the national anthem, cobb and nelson assisted the solders in holding the flag. while titans players were all in a single...
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Re: Since No One Else Has The Stomach For It....Pos/Neg

FLPACKER ·
Eddie has amazing feet for a guy his size, which makes him a good RB, however there is just no way that he is as good at 260 as he is at 230. Look at Elliot from Dallas. Picture him with 30 pounds of added fat on him, do you think he'd be as good as he is now?
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Re: #9 Wisconsin @ #22 Crieghton

Tschmack ·
Badgers did well on the boards but that's it. Jacking up almost 40 3pt shots at 28% clip isn't good but they turned it over a bunch too. Better to play like this now than in March.
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Re: 2 years ago...

H5 ·
Health and balance. McCarthy is real good when he has all his tools. Might be because of his we do what we do mentality/stubbornness, or it might be he can't be or isn't as innovative as he needs to be. 2 years ago they didn't have a real threat at TE, but they were fairly loaded at WR and Lacy was near the top of his game, so that balanced things. Getting Cook back will help, but only if they can also get something from Starks and Michael. The defense is really struggling, and a potent...
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Re: 2 years ago...

Grave Digger ·
I think score is really the stat that correlates highest to the outcome of any football game. But seriously I think 20/25 is the magic combination for success. You know you truly have a good D when you're allowing fewer than 20 ppg. Yards, ratings, TOP, none of it means anything if you're allowing more than 20 ppg. Truly successful offenses easily score more than 25 points, but if you're scoring fewer than 25 then you know something is amiss. Right now GB is scoring 24.8 and allowing 26.
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Re: Interesting Post From an ND Football Board

Ghost of Lambeau ·
If a coach has a 10 year life expectancy with a team Saban should be available next off season too. I'd love to tell my wife "No - I am not going to pain the walls - we are only going to be here for ten years - 2 maybe if I don't win". Probably a good way to get divorced.
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Re: 2 years ago...

FLPACKER ·
I know, pts. are the only thing that really matter, however I find it pretty amazing that if a team wins those two stats; 1) Which team won the turn over battle 2) Which team had a higher "average yards per pass attempt", they win the game over 90% of the time. We can talk about all the other stuff but if; 1) Our defense was forcing more turnovers 2) Our offense was making more big plays in the passing game, we would not be in the situation we are in. I think last year we were 7-0 when this...
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Re: 2 years ago...

Grave Digger ·
I think you're right, but they truly go hand in hand and you really don't need to look deeper than points per game. Turnovers/yard per attempt really go hand in hand with PPG. If you're taking the ball away a lot then you're probably not allowing many points and if you're not giving it away and you're moving the ball well then it's likely that you're scoring points. You can drill down on some deep stats, but PPG is a good surface level indicator of how things are going.
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Re: 2 years ago...

Grave Digger ·
They're the exception, not the rule. They're eeking out wins over mediocre teams and getting pummeled by good teams aside from a 7 point win vs. Kansas City.
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Re: Interesting Post From an ND Football Board

Music City ·
It's a decent thought though. He's a good coach, and they need one. Of course, gotta be able to recruit. That's the name of the game in college. But he can tun 11 personnel all damn day and it'll work with the right guys. But I'm pretty convinced that McCarthy is coaching his final season, and we'll all look back at the 2015 NFC Championship game as the delineation when it all started to go wrong. They don't appear to have ever recovered from it.
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Re: Interesting Post From an ND Football Board

RochNyFan ·
I agree. Now if the Pitt job ever opened, that might be a different story. Narduzzi seems to be doing a good job, though.
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Re: Chicago St @ #9 Wisconsin

ammo ·
After a shaky start Badgers play better and get lots of guys into the game. Good job Greg.
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Re: TNF Football: Pantera vs. Orleans

fightphoe93 ·
I didn't watch 1 second of this game so I'll focus on Pantera. Sadly, I never knew much about Pantera until after the murder of Dimebag. They had a couple of excellent tunes in the early '90s that quite frankly, I either ignored or never heard during that time period. It wasn't until after the shooting incident that I realized I had missed something pretty good and started listening to more Pantera maybe 10-15 years after they were at their peak.
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Re: Our not so Special Teams

PackLandVA ·
That's actually a really good point that I don't think gets emphasized enough.
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Re: The Ugly, The Bad ...and the Good?

BrainDed ·
The Good: Our rookie LT who needs 2 years in the weight room is a better guard than our backup guard. I don't have to listen to TT ball washers talk about how awesome it is that we sign more UDFA's than anyone else anymore. It's obvious we are lacking talent so please STFU already. The Bad: Rollins is another wasted high round defensive pick. Hot garbage. I thought he was going to be a player, yikes. The Ugly: Micah Hyde having a roster spot indicates nontalent on the roster or piss poor...
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Re: The Ugly, The Bad ...and the Good?

mrtundra ·
The Ugly: Jeff Janis' ST play. Our CB's. Our receivers dropping balls that hit their hands. Goodson's injury. The Bad: Having people on the field who either have never played or have rarely played. Micah Hyde's forward tackling. Rollins looking like he wasn't well. Capers having the Safeties on the line while our CBs were getting trounced by the Washington receivers deep routes. Hundley's rocket passes. Joe Thomas getting faked out of his shorts. Cook's fumble and muffed TD pass. The Good:...
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Re: The Ugly, The Bad ...and the Good?

Timmy! ·
The good: Once again, a lot of individual players having good performances that amount to nothing in the end. Spriggs was probably the nicest surprise. The bad: Anything and everyone that has any connection to our current defense. To say that we have been decimated by injury would be an understatement. And we have guys playing hurt who have no business being on the field, but they are put out there to trot around the best they can simply because there's nobody else available. Our veterans,...
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Re: The Ugly, The Bad ...and the Good?

Pikes Peak ·
The good....the pack won't be embarrassed on Thanksgiving this year. The bad....I'll need the Sunday Ticket next year cause there won't be near as many network prime time games. The ugly.....at this pace a London game is in sight.
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Re: The Ugly, The Bad ...and the Good?

Va. Packer ·
I was just going to rant that not playing prime time games was part of the good. They're extremely hard to win on the road. And if the Packers are on national television I lose money on NFL Sunday Ticket. The bad is there's still flex scheduling if they return to being good. The ugly....this year all the woes can't be blamed on injuries. They aren't very good.
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Re: The Ugly, The Bad ...and the Good?

Va. Packer ·
When columnists are reverting back to the Truman and Eisenhower administrations to describe how bad the the Packers defense is in historical terms........that's bad. The ugly......I live in Redskins country (with a fair amount of Dallas Cowboy fans) and I'm in the office. Now I know how spawning salmon feel as they run a gauntlet of brown bears. The good.....I've got a jar of corn liquor and a carton of eggnog when I get off for the holidays on Tuesday.
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Re: The Ugly, The Bad ...and the Good?

Pikes Peak ·
While the O had a few good drives and Starks, Cook and AR had OK games it certainly cannot be described as a well oiled machine. It currently is the least of the packers problems but it is a work in progress.
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Re: The Ugly, The Bad ...and the Good?

DH13 ·
On the blight side, I mean bright side...they finally got Cook involved and he looks like a guy that can definitely make a difference in this offense. He had some mental lapses that hopefully are attributed to rust but what would the offense look like last night without the plays he made. His feet aren't particularly quick but his legs are so long that he has good speed even when he looks like he's slow. Did I see RR put a move on a guy and make him miss a tackle last night or did I doze off...
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Re: The Ugly, The Bad ...and the Good?

Va. Packer ·
I think the problem with Rollins is he just isn't very good. He was benched due to performance prior to Shields and Randall going down. Richard Rodgers has been Kellen Winslow in comparison speaking of wasted 2nd round picks.
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Re: The Ugly, The Bad ...and the Good?

Herschel ·
That's like saying the syphilis isn't so bad because your testicles just got crushed by a roundhouse kick.
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Re: The Ugly, The Bad ...and the Good?

phaedrus ·
The Good Packers have a real easy schedule.
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