2017 Training Camp

Earlier fears about UFDA washout may be unwarranted: From a JSO story:

Undrafted rookies Donatello Brown and Geoff Gray look like they have a chance to make the roster. Brown, a cornerback from Valdosta State, has decent size (6-0, 190) and speed (4.50 40), and he competes every down. Gray (6-5, 315), a guard from the University of Manitoba, is a mauler as a run blocker. He has a ways to go in pass protection, though, because he’s too aggressive and compromises his balance by reaching for his guy.

michiganjoe posted:

Gunter so far is having a really rough camp. He needs to pick it up or I can see the distinct possibility of him missing the cut.

He kinda of reminds me of Terrell Buckley.

Sure, he'll make a few INTs if a QB throws the ball to him on accident, he may even assist on a bunch of tackles; but he'll never be able to cover the deep ball, hook, or slant routes, and more often than not he will Darren Sharper every open field tackle he's presented with.

He should not be on the roster and was a UDFA for a reason. He played last year because our secondary had 4,781 injuries.

michiganjoe posted:

Gunter so far is having a really rough camp. He needs to pick it up or I can see the distinct possibility of him missing the cut.

With House back and considering all the CBs incoming and recovering it didn't seem very likely anyways.  House and Gunter are the same player with House being better.

Lane Taylor is apparently playing really well and all indications are Evans isn't another Jeff Saturday. OL should be fine if they can stay relatively healthy (a big if, I know). 

Fackrell is another one that's apparently having a disappointing camp. Team needs to find some pass rush and he doesn't appear to be part of the answer so far.

NumberThree posted:
michiganjoe posted:

Gunter so far is having a really rough camp. He needs to pick it up or I can see the distinct possibility of him missing the cut.

He kinda of reminds me of Terrell Buckley.

Sure, he'll make a few INTs if a QB throws the ball to him on accident, he may even assist on a bunch of tackles; but he'll never be able to cover the deep ball, hook, or slant routes, and more often than not he will Darren Sharper every open field tackle he's presented with.

He should not be on the roster and was a UDFA for a reason. He played last year because our secondary had 4,781 injuries.

He reminds me of nothing like Buckley. This from article when he was traded:

"But what Buckley had going for him, according to those within the organization, was more than offset by deficiencies in size, competitiveness, hands, tackling, practice habits, discipline and responsiveness to big-game situations."

Gunter's problems are none of those.....they are that he just is not an elite athlete. 

michiganjoe posted:

 

Fackrell is another one that's apparently having a disappointing camp. Team needs to find some pass rush and he doesn't appear to be part of the answer so far.

This is why Vince Abberderis is just a flyer of a pick.  There is **** for depth at OLB.  If Perry or Matthews gets hurt, which is likely, they have squat for rush.  It's going to have to come the Dline.

heyward posted:

What I mean is that none of the beat writers were worried about Jeff Saturday in training camp either, so to judge Evans in early August means nothing.

When the Packers signed 37-year-old Jeff Saturday to start at center in 2012, there were signs early in camp he’d hit the wall. By season’s end, he no longer was the starter. No such red flags so far with six-time Pro Bowler Jahri Evans, who turns 34 later this month and is replacing T.J. Lang at right guard. Evans has been a crafty run blocker and fine in pass protection, though he had two false start penalties Saturday night.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/...arly-camp/540727001/

Henry posted:
michiganjoe posted:

 

Fackrell is another one that's apparently having a disappointing camp. Team needs to find some pass rush and he doesn't appear to be part of the answer so far.

There is **** for depth at OLB.  If Perry or Matthews gets hurt, which is likely, they have squat for rush.  

This very well could be the linchpin for the season.  Perry and Matthews have got to buck history and stay healthy, it is as simple as that.  

They are both #1 picks.  You've got to assume they are going to hold up.  

I don't even want to THINK about the alternative.  The wailing and gnashing of teeth that will ensue if that position breaks down and we aren't getting any pass rush will echo all the way to Babylon and back (*cough* t.j. watt* cough cough*).

We all know there are there will always be a position that's "short".  Honestly, I'm good with putting all the eggs in the Matthew/Perry basket simply because the backfield needed the infusion badly.  If Clark and Lowry can make some noise, maybe guys like Jayrone can do some nice rotational work.  Fackrell, meh.  I hope Vince Abberderis makes it back but I'll believe it when I see it.  

Keep digging in UDFA for depth Uncle Ted.  I'd be churning the **** out of the bottom of the defensive roster.  Frickin' Goodson sucking up a spot.

If any team loses their two best pass rushers the sacks and QB pressure is going to drop off dramatically. No matter how much depth they have. That's true of all 32 teams. 

The problem is our two best pass rushers will likely miss games. It's pretty much a given they aren't playing full seasons. 

Its going to get pretty gnarly if both of them miss four or more games each. Need them both to stay on the field as much as possible. (And not playing at 60%) 

I've largely seen Gunter as Hyde. Both good players; not starters, but could be good depth/rotational/situational guys. 
His biggest asset at this point is actual game experience, IMO. He may become our "bubble" guy this year. My guess is if it comes down to him or one of the UFDA guys, he would make the roster before they would.

I think Gunter could be a situational "scheme guy", but if he has to play every down he limits what the DC can do. For example, he could play physical off the line of scrimmage, taking away any inside release if you play a safety over the top on his third of the field. 

He's like House was early during his time in GB, a good #3 or #4 who can handle guarding another team's #3 or #4 WR. House improved over time, hopefully the same is true of Gunter. He'll never be able to defend against Julio Jones, but he can handle another team's Geronimo Allison or James Jones. I don't think there's a CB better than him or with more potential who is behind him on the depth chart. 

I wonder how many spots are truly "open" on the 53, especially on offense?

If Kerridge sticks, which seems likely, Monty and Williams would seem locks at RB with maybe one other opening. 

The o-line would seem set unless Patrick can somehow unseat Barclay (Amichia to PS).

QB is Rodgers and Hundley, with Callahan if they can swing a spot. 

WR is Jordy, Ankles and Cobb, Janis and Davis would seem to have jobs to lose with Special Teams contributions, and Allison in week three would seem a strong possibility also, so maybe only one spot there, max, and two draft picks.

TE seems set with Bennett, Kendricks and Rodgers.

8 O-line, 2 FB, 3RB, 2QB, 6 WR, 3 TE is 24, with probably only one spot somewhere in there, saving three spots for the specialists.

On defense it's a little more open, maybe. 

DL of Clark, Ringo, Lowry, Daniels, Jean-Francois and Adams would seem set. (6)

OLB of Matthews, Perry, Fackrell, Biegel and Elliott. (5)

ILB of Martinez, Ryan and Thomas (with Burnett and Jones with snaps) (3)

S of Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Jones, Brice (with Randall taking snaps if Rollins locks nickle corner down) (4)

CB of King, House, Rollins, Randall (4)

That's 22 with probable spots for at least two of some combination of Gunter/Goodson/Tripp, really only leaving 1-3 spots open.

Of course injuries may change this, especially if Montravious Adams or Biegel suffer setbacks.

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