2017 Training Camp

Timmy! posted:

I have no idea what the real story was, but Jefferson wound up on Gregg's bad side and was put in the doghouse permanently. JJ bitched about it towards the end of his time here, and Gregg said "tough sh*t", paraphrased, of course.
FWIW, Gregg's hiring may have a bigger mistake than the decision to fire Starr. Part of the reason he was brought in was his reputation of being tough and hard-nosed, and supposedly that's just what the Packers needed. He was that indeed, but it translated poorly to the players, and we pretty much sucked the next few years until the Majik era.

Without knowing the details, my recollection is that Jefferson did not have near the stats he had while with the Chargers and I was disappointed.  I thought I heard he wasn't much of a practice player and it caught up to him.

Man, I thought the combination of Dickey throwing to Lofton, Jefferson, and Coffman was going to be unstoppable.  I recall it just did not turn out that way.

Grave Digger posted:
ChilliJon posted:

I've never bitched about Ted or Rodgers. So don't lump me into you're misguided bull**** thinking. You put you're stake in the ground in support of Dom. You stand by that. And **** you!

Didn't say you complained about them, but this whining about Dom Capers is at the same level as those who b*tch(ed) about Ted and Rodgers. I'm not even saying you're wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it's that this lame a$$ whining has gone on for 8 F*CKING YEARS. Any time someone here wants to talk about this team the thread gets littered with b*tching with pessmistic Dom Capers bullsh*t. You guys have a lot of football knowledge and insight, stop wasting it on the same lame a$$ Dom Capers talk. 

Every X4 post contains the following:

-A noun

-A verb

-Capers sucks/Janis/b-b-but injuries...

Rusty posted:
Grave Digger posted:
ChilliJon posted:

I've never bitched about Ted or Rodgers. So don't lump me into you're misguided bull**** thinking. You put you're stake in the ground in support of Dom. You stand by that. And **** you!

Didn't say you complained about them, but this whining about Dom Capers is at the same level as those who b*tch(ed) about Ted and Rodgers. I'm not even saying you're wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it's that this lame a$$ whining has gone on for 8 F*CKING YEARS. Any time someone here wants to talk about this team the thread gets littered with b*tching with pessmistic Dom Capers bullsh*t. You guys have a lot of football knowledge and insight, stop wasting it on the same lame a$$ Dom Capers talk. 

Every X4 post contains the following:

-A noun

-A verb

-Capers sucks/Janis/b-b-but injuries...

You forgot dangling participles (teehee) as well as my favorite, down and dirty adjectives. 

 

Henry posted

You forgot dangling participles (teehee) as well as my favorite, down and dirty adjectives. 

 

Let's hear it for Prepositions!
Why I was forced to memorize this crap is beyond me, but it's taking up valuable space on my cranial HD.


aboard, about, above, according to, across, across from, after, against, along, alongside, alongside of, along with, amid, among, apart from, around, aside from, at, away from, back of, because of, before, behind, below, beneath, beside, besides, between, beyond, but, by, by means of, concerning, considering, despite, down, down from, during, except, except for, excepting for, from, from among, from between, from under, in, in addition to, in behalf of, in front of, in place of, in regard to, inside, inside of, in spite of, instead of, into, like, near, near to, of, off, on, on account of, on behalf of, onto, on top of, opposite, out, out of, outside, outside of, over, over to, owing to, past, prior to, regarding, round, round about, save, since, subsequent to, together, with, through, throughout, till, to, toward, under, underneath, until, unto, up, up to, upon, with, within, without

Let's hear it for Prepositions!
Why I was forced to memorize this crap is beyond me, but it's taking up valuable space on my cranial HD.

[list of prepositions deleted]

It could be worse: in German and Russian, you have to remember which case the object of the preposition takes.  And there is a substantial number of prepositions that can take different cases depending on whether there's implied motion involved.

And then there are the verbs that take a direct object in a case other than the accusative.  This is particularly bad in Russian, which has more cases than German.

bvan posted:
Henry posted

You forgot dangling participles (teehee) as well as my favorite, down and dirty adjectives. 

 


aboard, about, above, according to, across, across from, after, against, along, alongside, alongside of, along with, amid, among, apart from, around, aside from, at, away from, back of, because of, before, behind, below, beneath, beside, besides, between, beyond, but, by, by means of, concerning, considering, despite, down, down from, during, except, except for, excepting for, from, from among, from between, from under, in, in addition to, in behalf of, in front of, in place of, in regard to, inside, inside of, in spite of, instead of, into, like, near, near to, of, off, on, on account of, on behalf of, onto, on top of, opposite, out, out of, outside, outside of, over, over to, owing to, past, prior to, regarding, round, round about, save, since, subsequent to, together, with, through, throughout, till, to, toward, under, underneath, until, unto, up, up to, upon, with, within, without

I'll take Dom Capers ILB RB keys on 1st and 10 for $200 Alex. 

Sometimes I think TT is too cute in trying to find a diamond in the rough.

Specifically, the fact that he picked Biegel when he could have picked T.J. Watt.  I see that in T.J.'s first preseason game, he got 2 sacks in the opponents' FIRST POSSESSION!  GRRRRRRR!  I hope Biegel is great, but even though it's only 1 preseason game, I saw T.J. All last season wreak havoc in the Big 10 and sincerely believe he's the real deal!

Given what I have seen from this LB group Vince Biegel can play and make a difference.  When healthy the guy is a playmaker.  But that's the issue - he's had trouble staying healthy.  

TJ Watt at 29 was one of the no brainers of the draft.   I hope like hell King and Biegel turn out well so we don't regret it but I would not bet against a Watt.  

"Everyone says I should take Watt, so I'll take King, and because he's not value at 29, I'll trade back to do so.  There, showed you all!  And here's Biegel so zip it."

I love Ted Thompson and he's done way more good than harm but that one rankled me.  TJ Watt was obvious, his DNA unchangeable and his work ethic through the roof.  Take the best player and get the quarterback before he even throws it.  

2 sacks with the first stringers. Ugh.  

Pistol GB posted:

"Everyone says I should take Watt, so I'll take King, and because he's not value at 29, I'll trade back to do so.  There, showed you all!  And here's Biegel so zip it."

I love Ted Thompson and he's done way more good than harm but that one rankled me.  TJ Watt was obvious, his DNA unchangeable and his work ethic through the roof.  Take the best player and get the quarterback before he even throws it.  

2 sacks with the first stringers. Ugh.  

A little early for a game over post, isn't it?

Specifically, the fact that he picked Biegel when he could have picked T.J. Watt.

Watt was long off the board by the time he picked Biegel.

It's always entertaining to watch Packer fans go nuts when management fails to pick a particular ex-Badger. 

Goalline posted:
Pistol GB posted:

"Everyone says I should take Watt, so I'll take King, and because he's not value at 29, I'll trade back to do so.  There, showed you all!  And here's Biegel so zip it."

I love Ted Thompson and he's done way more good than harm but that one rankled me.  TJ Watt was obvious, his DNA unchangeable and his work ethic through the roof.  Take the best player and get the quarterback before he even throws it.  

2 sacks with the first stringers. Ugh.  

A little early for a game over post, isn't it?

Disagreeing with one pick is game over now? I disagreed    that day! 

You want to rub my face in Crow dung when King gets ROY and Watt's riding the pine I'll be right here, dudesicle.

Fedya posted:

It's always entertaining to watch Packer fans go nuts when management fails to pick a particular ex-Badger. 

Like they did with JJ?

You can paint it as homers whining all you want, Fed. The truth is, JJ WATT ripped the NFL a new Ass Hole and spat in the hole. You can't sit there and pretend that didn't happen or that you're Mr. Above-It-All Objective.  It ****ing happened and it's about to happen again.

 

Pistol GB posted:
Goalline posted:
Pistol GB posted:

"Everyone says I should take Watt, so I'll take King, and because he's not value at 29, I'll trade back to do so.  There, showed you all!  And here's Biegel so zip it."

I love Ted Thompson and he's done way more good than harm but that one rankled me.  TJ Watt was obvious, his DNA unchangeable and his work ethic through the roof.  Take the best player and get the quarterback before he even throws it.  

2 sacks with the first stringers. Ugh.  

A little early for a game over post, isn't it?

Disagreeing with one pick is game over now? I disagreed    that day! 

You want to rub my face in Crow dung when King gets ROY and Watt's riding the pine I'll be right here, dudesicle.

So, you are not freaking out? I don't know. Your reply is really defensive. Not interested in rubbing your face in anything.

Goalline posted:
Pistol GB posted:
Goalline posted:
Pistol GB posted:

"Everyone says I should take Watt, so I'll take King, and because he's not value at 29, I'll trade back to do so.  There, showed you all!  And here's Biegel so zip it."

I love Ted Thompson and he's done way more good than harm but that one rankled me.  TJ Watt was obvious, his DNA unchangeable and his work ethic through the roof.  Take the best player and get the quarterback before he even throws it.  

2 sacks with the first stringers. Ugh.  

A little early for a game over post, isn't it?

Disagreeing with one pick is game over now? I disagreed    that day! 

You want to rub my face in Crow dung when King gets ROY and Watt's riding the pine I'll be right here, dudesicle.

So, you are not freaking out? I don't know. Your reply is really defensive. Not interested in rubbing your face in anything.

I guess I lost you at "game over post."  I disagreed with trading down at the time and still do.  Only thing that could happen from here is I'm right or I'm wrong, which like you say, we won't know for a long time. That ain't calling game over. Neither is recognizing 2 preseason plays. 

Not freaking out. Pick 29 was a big moment for the franchise, one that every sportswriter, pundit and dinkwad in the country is going to remember for years to come.  Surely you see that. 

Chili's right: it was a need pick on account of Shields. I get that. At the same time, I don't want to hear that TT is a "best player available" GM. He obviously isn't.

It also doesn't help TT's cause any that there was a need at CB to begin with.  Randall or Rollins (1st and 2nd rounders) were supposed to fill that need, and after last year they weren't exactly looking the part. Not really fair but that's on the GM too.

Tough job GM. Not saying I could do better overall. I just really wanted Watt and don't trust Matthews off HGH (*kaboom*).

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