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I blamed the coaching staff for not recognizing the potential for a fake field goal in the Seahawks game…this week I finally had the stomach to re-watch the game…..and although the coaching  staff deserves a lot of blame---I can't believe Hawk didn't stay with the 'receiver'…that was crazy.

Hooray Vikes!It will be fun to play a defense that has AJ Hawk in the middle.

Supposedly the Bengals have expressed some interest in Hawk. Cincy is not far from Hawk's hometown and all things being equal, I think that is where he could end up. I would be surprised if AJ agrees to go to another team in the NFC North.

Originally Posted by trump:
Hawk won't play another down in an NFL game, mark it down.

+1.

 

Can't believe any team getting an up close look at AJ will actually sign him to play in 2015.

 

He has been brutal the past 2 seasons and his "leadership" and "assignment assuredness" that were supposedly so important to the Packers (until he was benched mid-season) cannot possibly make up for his slowness, lack of aggressiveness, and age for a new team.

Originally Posted by Henry:

You need more fiber in your diet.  

 

Over/under on how many times SteveLuke cries about Hawk the upcoming season?  Any takers?

Setting the line at 2.5

 

Over -120

Under +110

He's a player i think about every year during the draft.  He was supposed to be a can't miss pro bowl prospect: high production, great workouts that matched great tape, ideal size/speed, incredible locker room guy, hard worker, etc.  If a player with his resume was there today, he'd probably still go top 10.  Sometimes you just don't know.  

Combine workout

And to compare, here is Luke Keuchly's combine performance.  

That's incredible how good Hawk's combine numbers were.  Really the only things Keuchly looked better at were the 20 yd. dash and broad jump.  Hawk really did look good on the field at Ohio State too, he had the production and the combine numbers.  

Maybe it was just perception, but I thought Hawk looked like he was at his best in 2007 when playing ROLB in a 4-3 in Bob Sanders defense.  He hung in there just fine in 2010 when he got back his starting job after both Barnett and Chillar got hurt.  After 2010 though, I never felt real confident in having him out there.

fightphoe93 posted:

Maybe it was just perception, but I thought Hawk looked like he was at his best in 2007 when playing ROLB in a 4-3 in Bob Sanders defense.  He hung in there just fine in 2010 when he got back his starting job after both Barnett and Chillar got hurt.  After 2010 though, I never felt real confident in having him out there.

I don't think it's perception, I think it's reality. He was WLB in that 4-3 (early in GB and at OSU), he stayed consistently clean and was able to attack the ball. Being a 3-4 ILB, he wasn't afforded the luxury of staying clean, he had to take on blockers and fill gaps. His stats didn't change much, he was a consistent in that regard, but not all tackles are equal. 

YATittle posted:

 See Seattle playoff game. Other than Brian Bostick, single biggest reason we lost.

 

The most disappointing thing is that for whatever else AJ Hawk was or wasn't, he was usually assignment sure. He may not have had the physical talent to succeed but he knew where he was supposed to be and if he got beat it usually wasn't because of a mental mistake.

Then he makes a gigantic mental mistake in the Seattle game. You expect that kind of brain fart from a young player like Bostick (still doesn't make it right), but not from a coach on the field type like Hawk.

He had the talent, just a case of a guy who is great for one position, but mediocre anywhere else. Some guys can handle playing LB with blockers in their face, some guys can't. And really he probably could have been fine at ILB if he wasn't the better of the two...Bishop took the brunt of the blocks in '10 while Hawk cleaned up, it works. In '09 Hawk took the blocks and Barnett cleaned up. Brad Jones, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington, DJ Smith, etc., those guys couldn't do anything right and Hawk looked bad. Everyone has to do their job to make everything work.

Last edited by Grave Digger
MichiganPacker posted:
YATittle posted:

 See Seattle playoff game. Other than Brian Bostick, single biggest reason we lost.

 

The most disappointing thing is that for whatever else AJ Hawk was or wasn't, he was usually assignment sure. He may not have had the physical talent to succeed but he knew where he was supposed to be and if he got beat it usually wasn't because of a mental mistake.

Then he makes a gigantic mental mistake in the Seattle game. You expect that kind of brain fart from a young player like Bostick (still doesn't make it right), but not from a coach on the field type like Hawk.

Yeah, it boggles the mind but what I noticed in his latter years was that he had a tendency to guess wrong as his physical skills declined. 

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