Nigel Hayes at the FT line is the major reason they'll lose this game. 4-12 and two front end bonus misses. That's 14 FT opportunities and only 4 points. It he gets 10 points on those opportunities it's a completely different game.
At some point all the missed FTs will cost them and this sure looks like that game
Dagger
Another miserable defensive performance
This team already has two significant flaws (poor FT and 3pt shooting) and if they can't play D? Not a good sign
Another embarrassing performance. Losing 4 of 5. Unless Koenig takes over the next few games and gets 15-20 good shots, I think you can stick a fork in this team for the year. He's the only one that has a chance to win a game on his own. I don't understand why they don't set him up to shoot much, much more.
Hayes and Happ at the line cause way too many empty possessions. You can't trust anyone off the bench.
If they didn't pull out 3 OT games during the Big Ten season, they'd be in trouble of not qualifying for the NCAA tournament. They'd be 8-8 in the Big 10 and 19-9 overall. This is one and done team in the Big 10 tourney and the NCAA.
11-23 from the line. That's pathetic at the JV high school level.
It's not like their FT% was solid coming into the game but this was a ridiculous display this afternoon.
Had they even hit 70% they may have been able to steal this one. 50%? Not a chance in hell.
Goldie posted:Goalline posted:Goldie posted:Ugh....sloppy, Sooooooooo hard to watch them. Come on Bucky.
Say Goldie, did you ever attend a Badger game with two friends dressed as nuns?
No, but I know those woman.....they graduated with my sister from high school together. They are trying to get themselves patented. Ha ha......
A friend sat next to them and had a ball at a game. He mentioned one of them babysat CHryst. A patent? LOL
When the Badgers went to back to back final fours, they had shooting and the post ups were secondary. The way they post up on this team, it stagnates the entire offense. It's too much post up, not enough movement and flow.
This team will be one and done. They're completely out of their game. All confidence lost...
We knew they were not a good free throw shooting team, but man, they have had a lot of empty possessions this month. Sometimes shots don't fall, but sometimes you take ****ty shots.
Nice gesture by Izzo...Harris was a good Spartan.
A couple of tough games coming up. This team needs some coaching up . Free throws, defense and confidence are lacking. Since the Nebraska game when the doubleteaming was real evident opposing coaches have owned Gard. He was able to win with these guys before that, he can again.
I'm really worried about Gard and the next 2-3 years. I hope I'm wrong because Gard is a guy who put in his dues and deserves to be a lifer at Madison, but what does this team look like next year? They have the potential be near the bottom of the Big 10.
Wisconsin has been consistent because even though they don't get 4 and 5 star recruits (Dekker and Koenig are exceptions) they develop 2 star guys into all-Big 10 guys. The bench guys have been really nothing short of awful in Big 10 play and none of them have appeared to progress at all from last year. Hayes has underachieved from what he could have been but he's clearly a good college player. Showalter has maxed out his ability and Koenig and Happ are really good college players. Brown is a guy that should be coming off the bench, but none of the bench guys have threatened his minutes.
Playing like ****, but good kids for sure
Hayes and Koenig congratulating fellow senior Eron Harris (knee injury) as he entered the game was the coolest thing I've seen in awhile: pic.twitter.com/LZpKbQBjt7
â Alex Roux (@arouxBTN) February 26, 2017
MichiganPacker2 posted:Wisconsin has been consistent because even though they don't get 4 and 5 star recruits (Dekker and Koenig are exceptions) they develop 2 star guys into all-Big 10 guys.
This is about as spot on as the guys who still think we run Dick Bennett's offense.
I wish we ran his D
There is something wrong with the psyche of this team. Good players suddenly becoming bad ones? What the hell happened to their confidence, their swagger? Brown is useless, now. A year ago was a key cog. Hayes was a good foul shooter- over time he got worse. How do you do that? Remember in that classic MSU/Wisconsin BT Championship game when Hayes was lights out and was the reason the came back and won? Where's that guy?
This team is a pile of smoldering ashes. It's almost as if they put too much pressure on themselves.
The Badgers have a few really good prospects coming into the program. The common theme? They are all pretty decent scorers and the kid from La Crosse can flat out dominate offensively. That should help.
The issue is what we have now. Koenig is decent but he graduates. If Happ had a respectable jumper he could be unstoppable. Other than that? Not much to speak of. Vitto Brown is a stiff, Iverson is the basketball equivalent of Reggie Love (i.e. good talent but a knucklehead), Prinzl is just OK and a really undersized Trice?
Next year could get ugly
They have 2 players who played key roles on final four teams and one (Showy) who has improved from a scrambled egg ( Al McQuire reference) to a fine Big 10 player. Add Happ who truly is a stud at all facets of the game. What they don't have is a bench and Bo.
Lack of a bench is very apparent, lack of Bo is a bit more hazy.
Does the Pride of Cobb have IT? I think he does. We shall see.
I see a ton of potential in Pritzl (4 star). Iverson (3 stars) will be a nice complimentary player, never really "the man". Illikainen (3 stars) is a real disappointment. He was a double double machine as a prep, thought to be a scoring forward for Bucky.
As for next year, two 4 star and a 3 star on the way. Another 4 star for 2018.
I am wondering what is going on with the Belgian? Last year, it was said he was lighting it up in practice on the scout team. Nary a minute playing time this year.....sure, on a senior laden team, you expect that...but the way the team has been playing in February...you'd think he would see more playing time. Is he a bust, too?
Krabby can't get him to play defense
Crash-Ka-Bong posted:We knew they were not a good free throw shooting team, but man, they have had a lot of empty possessions this month. Sometimes shots don't fall, but sometimes you take ****ty shots.
They take a lot of ****ty shots. Often after they have passed up better shots.
Crash-Ka-Bong posted:I see a ton of potential in Pritzl (4 star). Iverson (3 stars) will be a nice complimentary player, never really "the man". Illikainen (3 stars) is a real disappointment. He was a double double machine as a prep, thought to be a scoring forward for Bucky.
As for next year, two 4 star and a 3 star on the way. Another 4 star for 2018.
Maybe that's the problem. Not recruiting enough 2 star guys?
They were good, they stink now, they can be good again.
Mo can switch teams at any time.
Goalline posted:Crash-Ka-Bong posted:I see a ton of potential in Pritzl (4 star). Iverson (3 stars) will be a nice complimentary player, never really "the man". Illikainen (3 stars) is a real disappointment. He was a double double machine as a prep, thought to be a scoring forward for Bucky.
As for next year, two 4 star and a 3 star on the way. Another 4 star for 2018.
Maybe that's the problem. Not recruiting enough 2 star guys?
I know people are making fun of my 2 star comment above, but the Badgers have taken lightly recruited guys and made them great college players during the Bo Ryan era. I thought it was likely that Gard played as big a role in this as Ryan and it would continue. Whatever the reason, we did not see the development of any of the bench guys this year. Usually, one or two guys make a huge leap in the off-season and Iverson, Thomas, and Jordan Hill all failed to do so.
I think that Gard is capable of replacing Ryan as the lead guy on the bench (as evidenced by last year's coaching job). Maybe the problem is that now that Gard is spending more of his time running the whole program, the guy who is trying to replace Gard in focusing on developing the talent isn't as good as Gard was?
There was a heavy dose of hyperbole in your 2 star comment, but yes, the Badgers tend to develop guys making them better than their high school ranking.
Difficult to win games when you can't play defense or make free throws. One and done in the tournament the way they're trending.
Goalline posted:Crash-Ka-Bong posted:We knew they were not a good free throw shooting team, but man, they have had a lot of empty possessions this month. Sometimes shots don't fall, but sometimes you take ****ty shots.
They take a lot of ****ty shots. Often after they have passed up better shots.
Case in point- Koenig goes baseline, gets in the paint, draws the D, dishes to Hayes opposite baseline who's wide open from about 15... and he holds the ball, waits for the D to come to him, backs his man down and misses a contested shot in the lane. Any good basketball player takes the open look- it is exactly what Koenig earned- its a basketball play! An open look!
Dumbass passes up the shot and lets the D recover. Maddening... and it's that decision making that haunts Hayes forever. He's not a smart basketball player...
Or maybe, just maybe he is smart enough to know he won't make the 15 footer, based on the way he is shooting FT, so he tries to get it inside closer.
I'm as disappointed as everyone else is about the way this team is currently playing, but then I think, "Hey, the other team is out there playing too. Sometimes the other team is just better that day."
Good point. You have to look at the games against O$U and Michigan. Both teams were hot. They had guys hitting shots and scoring points that they normally don't do. Their guys were hitting their open shots consistently. Heck, we beat the crap out of O$U at home...they returned the favor in Columbus. They beat us the same way we beat them....constantly hitting the open jump shots and playing scary defense. Sometimes things just happen. Hey...Iowas beat the crap out of Maryland....younger Bohannon boy scores 24 points????? Crazy!
I'm hoping that the home court will help put out our doldrums and Bucky goes on run.
ammo posted:I'm as disappointed as everyone else is about the way this team is currently playing, but then I think, "Hey, the other team is out there playing too. Sometimes the other team is just better that day."
Pure horsesh*t. They've played poorly for almost 2 months. The brand of basketball they've devolved to is sad to watch. No team can consistently shoot sub-40% and think "it was just the other guy's day today." Not over and over and over again. That's pompon waiving bullsh*t in this circumstance.
No, there's something wrong with the way they're playing. Their confidence is shot, and now teams are punishing them for being one dimensional. It's coaching. It's leadership. It's confidence. It's a team succumbing to a fate they cannot seem to shake- that they're one and done if they don't get back to playing with purpose and swagger and intelligence.
There are definitely lots of things wrong with this team right now....one of which I firmly believe is that this team is exhausted from a heavily back loaded schedule. Early in the year, it seemed like the Badger consistently had 1 or 2 less games played than their conference opponents (yes, that was sort of an advantage at the time) but since Feb began they have been playing a Thursday and a Sunday game every week. That means each week they play one game after 3 off days and one game after 2 off days. That hasn't been true of most of their opponents. In fact, if I add the totally arbitrary and made up concept of subtracting a half of day rest for a road team...we get the following data since Feb 9.
Feb 9 Wisconsin (w/ 2.5 off days) vs Nebraska (w/ 3 off days)
Feb 12 Wisconsin (w/ 2 off days) vs Northwestern (w / 3.5 off days)
Feb 16 Wisconsin (w/ 2.5 off days) vs Michigan (w/ 3 off days)
Feb 19 Wisconsin (w/ 2 off days) vs Maryland (w/ 2.5 off days)
Feb 23 Wisconsin (w/ 2.5 off days) vs OSU (w/ 4 off days)
Feb 26 Wisconsin (w/ 1.5 off days) vs MSU (w/ 2 off days)
Mar 2 Wisconsin (w/ 3 off days) vs Iowa (w/ 3.5 off days)
Mar 6 Wisconsin (w/2 off days) vs Minn (w/ 1.5 off days)
Minnesota will be the only time in the last 8 games of the season that Wisconsin has a off day advantage going into the game.
It is probably meaningless. But I still find it interesting. And it definitely doesn't dissuade me from my feeling that this team is playing tired.
I call BS on the tired.....they are 20 year old kids.
They may have been tired of winning. Hopefully they get tired of losing.
Pikes Peak posted:I call BS on the tired.....they are 20 year old kids.
Your athletic CV please?