Diggr14 posted:Could have had a 6'4 252 LB OLB from Wisconsin to replace Clay.
Ted picking defense is like blind squirrels finding their nuts.Ted's getting old. Fell in his lap and bungles it.
Of course you wanted the Shea McClellin clone. Of course
Oh, I believe Watt will be a far sight better than Shea. I would've liked to see him in the G&G, but the more I read about our early picks, the more I like them. The steely-eyed assassin, buoyed by the return of Zima, is nailing it.
I don't hate Watt, but I didn't want a tweener OLB with 3 knee surgeries in the 1st Rd
"Tweeter"? He's bout the prototype for size and speed for a 3-4 OLB.
Diggr14 posted:Could have had a 6'4 252 LB OLB from Wisconsin to replace Clay.
Ted picking defense is like blind squirrels finding their nuts.Ted's getting old. Fell in his lap and bungles it.
Vince Biegel, was not projected to go in the 1st round, plus he is 6'3, 246 lbs.
Secondary picks do seem to represent an acknowledgment by the team that lack of speed is an issue.
Kudos to TT, we all knew that TT wasn't going to go out and spend $20m fixing the coverage issues, but he has attempted to address it by adding King, Jones and House. There are a lot of questions about the guys coming back as well as the new guys, but barring injuries, there should be a lot of competition in camp this year and that is good.
I'm good with the first two picks. Ted has had pretty good success drafting DBs over the years and it was certainly a position of need.
Did he drop an F-bomb on stage?
Maxi54 posted:I absolutely agree with you guys that Clark had a good year. Especially since he's still so young and the NT position takes some time to grow into. I think long term he's going to be a good player. Just something about the pick that makes me feel kind of, "meh" about it. Let's hope the King pick turns out more in line with Clark's start than Datone Jone's time with the pack.
I don't, "hate" the King pick by any means. More like a wait and see and hope it works out feeling.
Honestly, I think as fans we've gotten to the point where it feels the Packers are constantly chasing to catch up on defense. So every pick starts to become more "meh". On paper it's the right pick, well gambled on, yielding another pick. I don't think anyone gets really excited about a defensive player over the last 7 years. The last guy I was primed over, Perry. Now I look at a guy that finally parlayed a solid season into a big contract and still have questions he'll produce like that again.
There is talent on this defense to be at least middle of the pack even with the losses like Shields. The thing that will get me most excited is a subtraction from the booth. Until then we can sign/pick every super greatest player of all time and probably expect them to under perform.
To be honest it's kind of taken the fun out of the draft.
Clark was incredible in the Cowboys game, made even more impressive since he was going against the best OL in football. No NT is going to be a "splash" pick but if Clark plays like he did against the Cowboys every game, he is a big time difference maker. With him drawing double teams in the middle, it limits the ability of a OL to double team Daniels. That kind of pressure in the middle kills an offense - just ask Tom Brady in Super Bowl XLII. I'm pretty excited to see what Clark does in his second season.
I would agree that Clark appears to be a good player so far.
Tschmack posted:I'm good with the first two picks. Ted has had pretty good success drafting DBs over the years and it was certainly a position of need.
Please add the sarcasm meme...
CAPackfan posted:I don't hate Watt, but I didn't want a tweener OLB with 3 knee surgeries in the 1st Rd
I could see where maybe the Packers having been burned by injury prone guys before might have dropped Watt a peg just because they didn't trust the knee issues. That said, he played 14 games last year and looked fantastic. If he does stay healthy, I think the Steelers will have gotten a very good and possibly great player.
chickenboy posted:
chickenboy posted:Tschmack posted:I'm good with the first two picks. Ted has had pretty good success drafting DBs over the years and it was certainly a position of need.
Please add the sarcasm meme...
Slobknocker posted:Diggr14 posted:Could have had a 6'4 252 LB OLB from Wisconsin to replace Clay.
Ted picking defense is like blind squirrels finding their nuts.Ted's getting old. Fell in his lap and bungles it.
Vince Biegel, was not projected to go in the 1st round, plus he is 6'3, 246 lbs.
Told ya
Under TTs watch in Seattle they selected Ken Hamlin and Marcus Trufant and Ken Lucas. Three decent corners.
In GB, the Packers selected Collins, Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Casey Hayward, Davon House, and Randall and Rollins. The jury is still out on the last two guys. Not counting Shields or Tramon but TT brought them in as well.
About the only pure miss I can think of is Aaron Rouse.
Now, DL under Thompson's tenure is a different story!!
ILB has been hit or miss.
Goalline posted:ILB has been hit or Whiff
FTFY
Living out here in Seahawk land, and listening to local media in order to catch the draft, I can tell you they really liked King. Husky homers maybe. But he was to be the heir apparent to Richard Sherman. Once we made the pick, the Hawks traded down and out of their spot right behind Green Bay, dejected and depressed. Which makes the pick all the more rewarding. 
Diggr14 posted:Could have had a 6'4 252 LB OLB from Wisconsin to replace Clay.
Ted picking defense is like blind squirrels finding their nuts.Ted's getting old. Fell in his lap and bungles it.
Only a true TT hater would want T. J. Watt over King and Biegel. TT got the better of this deal.
Well in Diggr14's defense, he did say this after Round 1, and before Round 2
Why do you defend Diggr?
Slobknocker posted:Well in Diggr14's defense, he did say this after Round 1, and before Round 2
So he made a rash comment about something he didn't understand? So unlike him.
I love Kevin King the red zone.. If you don't have space/field to shake & run away from him-He'll blanket/smother you. Inspector gadget arms
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) May 1, 2017
This draft appears to be very Seattley as far as approach to the backfield with guys like Josh Jones and King.
I know they bought House insurance, but I'm guessing King will be in the lineup earlier than later. For that matter, he could line up opposite House if the other young guys continue to struggle. I would have loved to see a later pick used to get ahead of Dallas and get Awuzie with the second pick, which could have made the defensive backfield even stronger than it is now.
You get NotAwuzie instead. The only thing about Josh Jones in his profiles I didn't like is that he played wild, overshooting at times. He better not be the highlight hit guy.
That seems to be the consistent concern with Jones. Not so much that he tries for the highlight kill shot. Just that he gets too excited, out of control and over pursues things.
Imagine that though. The coaches asking a GB DB to slow down.
Maturity and coaching should take care of the over-eager syndrome -- that and getting burned a couple of times by veteran WRs.
I just have a feeling that King is gonna take care of a lot of problems in the future.... Haven't had that feeling since we snagged Ha-Ha in the draft...
Grave Digger posted:I don't think he's physical enough to be in any kind of run support role, I think he's a CB only. Maybe he's a center fielder at S, but really his best spot will be as a perimeter CB covering other teams tall WRs. He's a smooth coverage player, I would liken him more to a tall Patrick Robinson or Tracy Porter.
What do you base that on?
So it's Kevin Kings B-Day. (Mike Daniels too) and HaHa stays in GB to take King and Josh Jones out to dinner.
Mike Daniels@mike_daniels76
Mad respect for my bro @haha_cd6 !! A true leader on our team, welcoming @King_kevvoo & @JoshJones11_ the right way #GodBless #GoPackGo
I'm telling you. HaHa is becoming the leader of this defense. And this is a very good thing.
I wish my local Applebee's were that nice.
I hope we generate a lot of turnovers this season. We have some good young talent on this defense. Time for the coaches to do their jobs.
It's been time for these coaches to do their jobs for many years now... AR and our offense have been covering for a multitude of defensive sins for way too long.
pablopackerfan posted:Grave Digger posted:I don't think he's physical enough to be in any kind of run support role, I think he's a CB only. Maybe he's a center fielder at S, but really his best spot will be as a perimeter CB covering other teams tall WRs. He's a smooth coverage player, I would liken him more to a tall Patrick Robinson or Tracy Porter.
What do you base that on?
My eyes. Being physical with receivers is not the same as being physical against the run, which I don't feel King was in college. The point of that post was that King wasn't (and isn't) a hybrid CB/Safety, he's a CB only IMO. That was in contrast to guys like Awuzie, who played multiple positions. I'm happy with King, he's not going to remind anyone of Charles Woodson in terms of supporting the run or versatility, but that's not what they need honestly. They have other versatile guys like Burnett, Josh Jones, Randall, and Rollins who can play all over the field. If all King does is play perimeter CB and shut WRs down like Dick Sherman then the pick was worth it.
But King did play safety too.
Grave Digger posted:If all King does is play perimeter CB and shut WRs down like Dick Sherman then the pick was worth it.
I expect him to shut down receivers better than Dick. Because I believe he is faster. Time will tell.
