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DH13 posted:

I can't get the idea of a WR at #27 out of my head.   Would be very unexpected of TT, which is fairly common for him.  He may have looked at last year's situation at WR as a warning about what can happen to AR and the O without a guy like Nelson.  Jordy only has a few years of being Jordy left.  I would think he could draft that guy in 2017 but if somebody like Treadwell or Doctson is there at 27....

I still think he goes DL or LB at 27 but that's based on what little I know.

I doubt he'll go receiver. I don't think there are any worth even close to the pick with the exception of Treadwell, who should be gone. 

DH13 posted:

I can't get the idea of a WR at #27 out of my head.   Would be very unexpected of TT, which is fairly common for him.  He may have looked at last year's situation at WR as a warning about what can happen to AR and the O without a guy like Nelson.  Jordy only has a few years of being Jordy left.  I would think he could draft that guy in 2017 but if somebody like Treadwell or Doctson is there at 27....

I still think he goes DL or LB at 27 but that's based on what little I know.

Obviously anything could happen but I'd be very shocked by a WR in the first or second.  They only have room on the roster for 6 guys and if he takes one early, that means a guy like Janis or Abbrederis is gone (Nelson, Cobb, Adams, Montgomery, Janis/Abbrederis, and drafted player).  Does cutting one of thos two and replacing him with a guy like Fuller or Doctson improve this team?  Maybe but not by much.  I think TT is going to chalk up the WR failures last year to injury.  Nelson out the full year, Adams in and out of the lineup, season ender for Montgomery, and the early injury to Cobb probably affected him more than we know.  That's a lot of issues for a WR group to handle.  

I would be shocked with anything other than a front 7 player, unless one of the top guys falls.  OT is a possibility too but those guys are as overdrafted as QBs and based on recent mocks, it's happening again with 4 OTs in the top 20 (Tunsil, Stanley, Conklin, and Decker.  I've even seen Spriggs up there).  Guess we'll find out tomorrow.......

To me I get the sense that TT approaches the 1st round (maybe the whole draft) with the thought process: what CAN'T I get later. I think back to when Edna Lacy was drafted, he could have taken her at 55 but seemed to trade back knowing he could still get her later..."I can take Lacy at 55 or I can take Lacy + a 6th rounder at 61". When I look at pick 27, I think about what TT CAN'T get later. He could get a good WR like Braxton Miller or Sterling Shepard in r2 or good developmental Tackle like Joe Haeg in r3. He CAN'T get a pass rusher like Noah Spence or a complete ILB like Ragland later, he CAN'T get a versatile DL with upside like Jon Bullard or Vernon Butler later. 

Ragland can cover well enough IMO. His football IQ and instincts are high enough that he gets to where he needs to be in time. I think the big struggle a lot of players have in coverage is not that they're too slow, it's that they're a step slow reading the play and can't make up the ground. Guys like Ragland, who have a natural feel for timing and the defensive concepts, get to where the need to be in time regardless of their 40 time. 

My final round 1 projection (with trades):

TradesTeamNamePositionSchool
from TENLos Angeles RamsJared GoffQBCalifornia
from CLEPhiladelphia EaglesCarson WentzQBNorth Dakota St.
San Diego ChargersDeForest BucknerDLOregon
Dallas CowboysJalen RamseyDBFlorida St.
Jacksonville JaguarsMyles JackLBUCLA
Baltimore RavensJoey BosaDEOhio St.
San Francisco 49ersRonnie StanleyOTNotre Dame
from CLEMiami DolphinsEzekial ElliotRBOhio St.
Tampa Bay BuccaneersSheldon RankinsDLLouisville
New York GiantsLeonard FloydLBGeorgia
Chicago BearsJarran ReedDLAlabama
New Orleans SaintsLaremy TunsilOTOle Miss
from MIACleveland BrownsPaxton LynchQBMemphis
Oakland RaidersVernon HargreavesCBFlorida 
from LATennessee TitansJack ConklinOTMichigan St.
Detroit LionsRyan KellyCAlabama
Atlanta FalconsDarron LeeLBOhio St.
from INDMinnesota VikingsWill FullerWRNotre Dame
Buffalo BillsShaq LawsonDEClemson
New York JetsNoah SpenceLBEastern Kentucky
Washington RedskinsKarl JosephSWest Virginia
Houston TexansJosh DoctsonWRTCU
from MINIndianapolis ColtsA'Shawn RobinsonDLAlabama
Cincinnati BengalsLaquon TreadwellWROle Miss
Pittsburgh SteelersWilliam JacksonCBHouston
Seattle SeahawksRobert NkemdicheDLOle Miss
Green Bay PackersReggie RaglandLBAlabama
Kansas City ChiefsAndrew BillingsDLBaylor
New England Patriots   
Arizona CardinalsEli AppleCBOhio St.
Carolina PanthersTaylor DeckerOTOhio St.
Denver BroncosJonathan BullardDLFlorida
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Laremy Tunsil falling to the Saints?  I've been out of the country for the last 10 days but caught up on a lot of draft news, but what's the rationale for him dropping?  I figure his basement is #6 to Baltimore.  If not, Bucs and Giants have to take him, right?  

Everything else makes a ton of sense.  I don't agree with the picks, necessarily, but that's more personal preference.  I'm not high on guys like Lee, Fuller, Nkemdiche, but can definitely see them getting picked there.  

I think the Packers are in a great spot in this draft.  Ragland doesn't make sense to me in the teens but IMO, is great value at #27.  If he's Des Bishop 2.0 (ie: run stuffer and blitzer, limited in coverage), I'd be ecstatic.  I also really like the DT's that will be there: Billings, Jones, Bullard, Butler and the Bama guys (although they might be gone).  Plus, at the rate QB's are rising, Packers could easily trade back 5-8 spots and still get one of those guys.  Nice position to be in.  

I don't think it's so much that Tunsil is dropping as much as other guys are rising. Baltimore makes sense, but there has been some talk that Baltimore is hot after Bosa and San Fran is hot after Stanley. Theres a better chance it's all smoke and Tunsil is off the board early, but Im gonna go out on a limb and say he drops a little.

Little Tony Moll story:

The landscape had changed dramatically by 2006. The NFL draft wasn’t a primetime show yet, but it had grown into a true media colossus, with wall-to-wall TV coverage, miles of action footage and Mel Kiper Jr. blabbering endlessly.

And yet Moll, who attended Sonoma Valley High, had little idea of his prospects. He had mostly played tight end at the University of Nevada, but switched to offensive tackle for his senior season. He was not invited to the NFL scouting combine, though his athleticism had made a few teams take notice.

Moll knew he had no chance to be drafted in the first three rounds, so he didn’t pay much attention on Day 1. He had trouble sleeping that night, though, knowing Day 2 was a possibility. Moll woke up to the buzzing of his cell phone. Dallas Cowboys offensive line coach Tony Sparano was calling.


“He started talking really fast, like, ‘We’re gonna take you right away!’ ” Moll said. “A surge of emotion came over me. Is this a dream? What’s going on?”

Sparano asked Moll what he was doing up so early, and the big lineman, still half-asleep, repeated the first idea that popped into his mind: He was getting ready to go fishing.

“It was the only thing I could think of,” said Moll, 32, who is back in Sonoma and working as a mortgage banker with Pinnacle Capital Mortgage. “Now am I a football player who’s more interested in fishing than the draft?”

Whatever the reason, the Cowboys did not draft Moll in the fourth round. Or the fifth. He sat in his parents’ home in Sonoma and waited.

“Nate Burleson, who was a standout wide receiver at Nevada, I remember talking to him previously,” Moll recounted. “He said, ‘I fell asleep on the couch.’ For some reason, I had that stuck in my head. All day long I was glued to the TV, trying to figure out, ‘OK, they’re taking an O-lineman,’ or whatever. Of course, I fell asleep on the couch.

Again Moll was rousted in a fog. This time it was Packers offensive line coach Joe Philbin on the line. The next thing Moll knew, he was talking to Green Bay head coach Mike McCarthy and watching his name crawl across the bottom of the screen.

“Then my whole life changed,” Moll said.


He would make the Green Bay roster as a low fifth-round pick, start 10 games and block for Brett Favre as a rookie, and play six seasons with the Packers, Ravens and Chargers.”

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/s...g-to-join?artslide=0

 

oldschool posted:
Hungry5 posted:
oldschool posted:

The more you show your CD...the higher the score...the more I win.

Are you drunk? You clearly are not winning.

Still no answer... not surprised.

It's a bitch when you battle massive Cognitive Dissonance in your own head.

And that lady's and gentlemen is your 2 pt. dagger.

8-0  

Hello...all you have to do ...is let it go. 

I forgive you. 



You forgive me? For what?

As for your CD comments... I don't think you know what that means.





Still no answer... not surprised.



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oldschool posted:
Hungry5 posted:
oldschool posted:

The more you show your CD...the higher the score...the more I win.

Are you drunk? You clearly are not winning.



Still no answer... not surprised.

It's a bitch when you battle massive Cognitive Dissonance in your own head.

And that lady's and gentlemen is your 2 pt. dagger.

8-0  

Hello...all you have to do ...is let it go. 

I forgive you. 

 

I' m thinking here that the "oldschool" user-name refers to the good old days of the NFL in the 1950s or 60s. Well, if that is the case the good old days  with the likes of Paul Brown and Lombardi were as politically correct as todays NFL. Hell, Lombardi even had a gay brother so no players were allowed to question another teammates sexuality or his heritage or you were through with Lombardi.  Your questioning of Lacy was way beyond what Lombardi would have tolerated. So, why don't you just go back to running your casino, drinking your fire water and spearing walleyes and leave the football talk to those who know football.  

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