I also wonder how far Mixon falls in this draft?

Packy posted:

CBS Sports mock still has Conley going to the Packers in round 1.  Not too sure about that now unless he gets exonerated in the next day which probably won't happen.  I wonder how far he falls and which GM, if any, will take a chance on him?  This will cost him a lot of money whether guilty or not.  

Dallas or Cincy.

Almost ironically, it could (financially) punish him more to be taken in the 7th than as an Undrafted Free Agent.

Mixon will go in late round 2 I'm betting. Randy Gregory, with all his drug issues, still went in round 2. Mixon's crime was obviously worse than Gregory's, but I think some team will make a big show of saying they were disturbed by the incident, but they've done enough homework to make them feel Mixon is a changed man and he's so sorry and blah blah blah. 

There's nothing a team can say about Conley to smooth over drafting him at all and paying him hundreds of thousands of dollars. Maybe he's a rapist, maybe he isn't, but that lack of clarity will scare teams I'm betting.

"As much as I like Reddick and think he could finally solve the inside linebacker problem"

Joe Thomas was fantastic last year in his role.    I think he can be a solid 3 down guy, decent on run downs and one of the top at the position on 3rd down. 

I'm almost over over Ryan, Hawk 2.0 with cinder block feet, but it is his year 3 so we shall see.   Hopefully Martinez makes a jump this year and solidifies the position with Thomas. 

Reddick could actually be a playmaker at the position, including provide pass rush. What they've been trying to do is find "get by" guys to occasionally "barely getting by" as the best result. 

Blair Brown. 5th round. 

Ryan always looks better on the Lambeau turf.  He had a couple of really good games late last year after battling some injuries.

Looking at next year's number of picks is an interesting angle.  But I don't think you can get 4 comps in one year.  Isn't 3 the max?  Regardless, it would be just as important to consider the depth and quality of next year's draft class compared to this year's.  Next year's picks may not be as valuable.

You can get 4 & we most assuredly will get that number. 

Ryan was actually pretty solid last year.  He's never going to be that all-pro we want in the middle but he's better than what we've had since Des Bishop was playing here (pre-injury).  

Just like with Hawk I think Ryan is a guy who needs to stay clean of blockers to do good work. Having a grinder like Martinez to take on blockers helps a ton, but they played so much Nickel that Martinez didn't see the field as much toward the end. If Martinez makes a jump I think you will see Ryan and Thomas make a jump. 

I think Ryan and Martinez are upgrades over 2014 Hawk and Jones but that's only because they are young and haven't had their collective limitations cloud their youthful hopes and dreams. But it's coming. You can't have two reactionary guys next to each other in the middle. It doesn't work. Martinez strikes me as the guy that might make the jump to active vs. reactive. Hawk was helped by Bishops seek and destroy mentality. Hawk and Jones were the same guy. 

By 2014 Brad Jones was sitting in front of his locker after games talking to his socks for guidance. He was a broken quivering mess. 

CUPackFan posted:

Ryan was actually pretty solid last year.  He's never going to be that all-pro we want in the middle but he's better than what we've had since Des Bishop was playing here (pre-injury).  

Ryan certainly had his moments, mostly in the run game. Heck, I think he even made a couple of tackles on the opponents side of the line of scrimmage, something I thought had been outlawed in GB when the Pack drafted AJ Hawk.

However, Ryan is a pretty big liability in the passing game. He lacks quickness and has shown nothing as a blitzer. 

Thomas' game is about the exact opposite. Decent in coverage, easily overwhelmed in the running game.

As for Martinez, he was given the keys to the D to begin the season, named a starter, praised for his smarts, etc. By the end of the year, he hardly got off the bench. Perhaps it was due to his injury, but alas he showed very little last year. 

Joe Thomas was really bad in the last game of the year and somehow was still starting over Blake Martinez.  The Packers need at ILB has been under-rated.  I think OLB and ILB is equal in terms of which should be given priority, but with Matthews, Perry and Fackrell it wouldn't be surprising if Thompson sees ILB as a more significant need area.

PackerJoe posted:

Joe Thomas was really bad in the last game of the year and somehow was still starting over Blake Martinez.  The Packers need at ILB has been under-rated.  I think OLB and ILB is equal in terms of which should be given priority, but with Matthews, Perry and Fackrell it wouldn't be surprising if Thompson sees ILB as a more significant need area.

So you saw a whole game?  That and PFF should tell an accurate story.

PackerJoe posted:

Carr is a real good player.  Put a beatdown on the Big 10 this season.  Only thing that makes me think the Packer's won't draft him is the 40-time (4.61).  For the longest time it seemed like the 40-time meant nothing to Thompson but last year it was pretty obvious that the Packers were looking for fast guys at the offensive skill positions and the defensive backfield.  I'm guessing that will continue on defense in this draft after that performance against the Falcons, but not so sure it will continue at WR and RB. 

Austin played high school WR with my nephew in Benicia CA. Good kid. Smart ass. He's not 4.61. He's slower. Tough to cover. High football IQ. And he's one tough thick skinned fighter. You have to really beat him to beat him. He has no quit. 

Packy posted:

I also wonder how far Mixon falls in this draft?

One of the ESPN mocks scrolling at the bottom of the screen had Mixon going to Green Bay at 29.

This is such a great read.

This is an even better read. 

I'm sure the Packers (like most teams) will do whatever homework they can on his charges, but you have to wonder how tempted TT would be to draft him at the end of the 3rd (if he's there):

Buzz builds for Gareon Conley being picked in round three

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No one currently expects Ohio State cornerback Gareon Conley to be selected in round one, given a rape allegation that likely won’t be resolved in his favor by Thursday night. Currently, the thinking is that someone will take a flier on him before the conclusion of Friday night’s proceedings.

Per a league source, the current buzz has Conley going at some point before the end of the third round.

The risk is obvious; Conley could be charged, prosecuted, and ultimately convicted of a first-degree felony. But he also could be exonerated, either by the alleged victim not pursuing the case or prosecutors deciding based on the witness testimony from the hotel room where the rape allegedly occurred that Conley would be able to establish sufficient reasonable doubt to make a trial a losing proposition.

At some point as the seven rounds unfold, the potential reward will outweigh the risk. The current thinking is that this will happen at some point before the end of round three.

If he’s guilty, he shouldn’t be drafted at all. If he’s innocent, his draft stock shouldn’t be affected at all. His current draft stock reflects the reality that few know exactly what happened in that Cleveland hotel room and, for now, no one knows what will happen moving forward.

Red flag special, anyone?

1. Mixon

2.Tim Williams

3. Conley

Major collage tallant there, folks. Can we Photoshop a crack pipe onto Forrest Lamp, or maybe toss a dead hooker in his trunk, in order to get a 4th round bargain, too?

ChilliJon posted:

Austin played high school WR with my nephew in Benicia CA. Good kid. Smart ass. He's not 4.61. He's slower. Tough to cover. High football IQ. And he's one tough thick skinned fighter. You have to really beat him to beat him. He has no quit. 

James Jones ran a 4.60 and they took him R3. I think they're looking for the football IQ, the attitude, the route running and understanding of routes, etc. from their receivers first and foremost. Pure Slot receivers aren't that common, guys like Carr, Edelman, Welker, etc. aren't a dime a dozen like big/tall/fast outside WRs. I'm not saying they for sure with draft Carr, but he fits the mold. Not all Slot guys are burners either, Julian Edelman ran a 4.52, Danny Amendola ran a 4.58, Wes Welker ran a 4.65, Jamison Crowder ran 4.56, Jarvis Landry ran 4.77, etc. They all have better play speed, but really it's about your quickness, route running, etc. Carr would have tied for 3rd in the 3-cone at the combine (6.70) had he been invited.  

I'll have a really hard time rooting for the Packers if they select Mixon.  That might be it for me and the NFL.

Yeah I think that's just talk, I can't imagine TT is actually interested. 

Mixon could be our new Ahman Green

I'm totally stoked for the big slave trade today!!!!

I'd be fine with Mixon at 29. 

Jury jury is still out on Randall, Rollins and Clark but ted needs to listen to someone other than Sam tonight.

Maynard posted:

I'll have a really hard time rooting for the Packers if they select Mixon.  That might be it for me and the NFL.

I hear what you're saying but how is he any different than Letroy Guion. If anything, Guion is worse. Mixon punched a woman after a verbal exchange in a public cafe. That's bad enough, but Guion has multiple domestic violence charges (including punching the mother of his children in the jaw) as well as stalking charges. Guion had to pay restitution on one of the charges in exchange for getting the other ones dropped.

MichiganPacker posted:

I hear what you're saying but how is he any different than Letroy Guion. If anything, Guion is worse. Mixon punched a woman after a verbal exchange in a public cafe. That's bad enough, but Guion has multiple domestic violence charges (including punching the mother of his children in the jaw) as well as stalking charges. Guion had to pay restitution on one of the charges in exchange for getting the other ones dropped.

So just because we have Guion on the team then we shouldn't take a stand against adding more dirtbags to the roster?

Yeah, when does it end?  For me, personally, I'm just tired of it.  Maybe I'm finally outgrowing sports, I don't know.

And maybe Guion is worse, but to openly draft someone knowing what they did with all of that video evidence?  I just have a hard time accepting that.

But, in the end you would.  Some fans may jump ship but most would be back aboard as soon as he or any other lowlife made a significant contribution.

RE: Mixon  -  RB appears to be a need for the Packers. Of course, Thompson signs 2 TEs in FA and they have the same 3 RBs on the roster that they finished 2016 with. With Aaron Rodgers, getting a RB early is not a priority. I can see Thompson grabbing someone like Marlon Mack in the 4th.

D'Onta Foreman Round 3 

Pikes Peak posted:

But, in the end you would.  Some fans may jump ship but most would be back aboard as soon as he or any other lowlife made a significant contribution.

Because there would be 51 other players on the roster that aren't dirtbags. Supporting the team doesn't mean I would support Joe Mixon and his behavior.

Well, maybe 35