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The personnel on defense is so bizarre right now there's not a really good base 4-3 or 3-4 grouping.
Saw Hawk in two and make a base 3-1/2 3-1/2 defense.

Hawk sawn in two can't be any worse than a fully intact Hawk.
Originally Posted by Fedya:
Saw Hawk in two and make a base 3-1/2 3-1/2 defense.  Hawk sawn in two can't be any worse than a fully intact Hawk.

At least maybe the 2 half-Hawks could run into each other and take each other out of the play.  Would only be eliminating one full Hawk that way and no other players.

I didn't get to see the entire game, but just some observations of some pleasantly surprising things:

 

- Rookie contributions.  Linsley is barely even noticeable, which is a breath of fresh air at the C spot. According to McGinn, the fumble on the first play was on Rodgers. Really like Clinton-Dix's game. He just needs to play and get experience. D. Adams looks like he is progressing as well. Great that Rodgers had confidence in him. He needs to play more as well.

- Tramon Williams.  He's arguably our best CB. I like Shields, but he can't get over his habit of peeking in the backfield.  I don't think this is TW's last year in GB, but that may be premature to say 2 weeks into the season.

- OLB group.  Really like the talent there.  Perry and Neal are very good depth.  Now with Mulumba out, Elliot may see some snaps in passing situations.

- Sitton and Nelson.  Not surprises, but they are studs.  Don't get the pro-bowl honors, but week-in, week-out they are excellent.

 

Questions/concerns:

- Cobb.  I was expecting more of a breakout year from him.  Yes, he caught 2 TD passes against the Jets, but I'm a bit surprised we're not seeing more explosive plays from him.

- TE production.  Nothing there right now.  Hopefully Bostick's return helps in that area.  Really a weak spot in our O right now.

- 3rd CB.  What's the deal with Hayward?  He's too good not to be on the field.

- Use of Starks/Harris.  These guys are talented.  Given the punishment Lacy takes, these guys need more touches.

I think teams are viewing Cobb as the biggest threat and are working to prevent his explosive plays. I think he struggles with beating the CB at the line because of his size, so if he gets matched up with a bigger more physical CB then he will get bullied. I think the Jets schemed to take away Cobb which left Jordy with a lot of 1 on 1's. Teams don't respect Jordy's deep speed for some reason...he's not Mike Wallace, but he clearly has the ability to burn teams deep. When you're in the redzone though, the D plays a lot more zone which is beneficial to Cobb because he's a pretty savvy receiver. That's why you see him get open closer to the goalline, he's good at finding dead space between zones.

 

I was also very disappointed in the TE production. I think part of it was they were having to help with protection, but even when they weren't Rodgers still didn't seem interested in utilizing them. 

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Regarding Hayward. 

 

Dom made the comment his hammy "might" have been a little tight Sunday. Comments were made he was moving around like the only thing tight was the leash around his neck. 

 

He was the guy missing from the field on the infamous "we only had 11 on the Lynch TD run" play week 1. 

 

The question is. Is he in the doghouse because the weekly work ethic might be lacking and this really has nothing to do with an injury? 

 

It does seem like this may have more to do with what's taking place Monday through Saturday than what's happening Sundays. 

There were only 10 defenders on the field for Marshawn Lynch's 9-yard touchdown in the second quarter. They were in their nickel front, but Hayward was not on the field. 

 

Neal may have been on the field, which is almost the same as not being on the field. Splitting hairs though. 

 

Originally Posted by 50k Club:

D. Adams looks like he is progressing as well. Great that Rodgers had confidence in him. He needs to play more as well.

 

- Cobb.  I was expecting more of a breakout year from him.  Yes, he caught 2 TD passes against the Jets, but I'm a bit surprised we're not seeing more explosive plays from him.

 

- TE production.  Nothing there right now.  Hopefully Bostick's return helps in that area.  Really a weak spot in our O right now.

 

 

These three are related. More Adams and better production from the TE will help Cobb in the slot.

Originally Posted by 18c3v:

Cobb has 3 of the team's 4 receiving TD's on the year and also has a 2-point conversion.  Not worried about his production at all. 

That is really good performance, but could use more receiving yards, I think.

AR and Jordy is beginning to resemble Favre and Sharpe and the ball really needs to be spread around a bit more. Need to get something from the TE position and continue to work Adams into the mix. Cobb's production will increase and I'm not terribly worried about it.

its a conspiracy to keep Cobbs yardage down. Who is going to pay a WR mega money with pedestrian numbers. (well maybe the Vikings will) Lesser numbers makes a better contract deal for the Packers. (sarcasm)

 

I'm not worried about Rodgers/Jordy being used too often. Really I think it comes down to match-ups and what the defense wants to eliminate. Defenses have to be aware of Randall Cobb on every snap because, as Chicago learned, he can easily sneak behind your D and Rodgers can get the ball there in a hurry. I noticed Laron Landry spending a lot of time near Cobb which told me they were giving the CB plenty of help with the Cobb. That meant Jordy got a lot of 1 on 1's and he very capable of beating a CB on an island. It's all about taking what the D gives you. Next week we may see the Lions worry more about Jordy and that will open things up for Cobb or Davante or Boykin or Quarless or Rodgers. That's the beauty of having so many weapons, we don't have to rely on our own Calvin Johnson or Eric Decker to have a good day to win...if Cobb or Jordy have low numbers then I guarantee someone or multiple players had really good numbers. 

 

Originally Posted by Grave Digger:

I'm not worried about Rodgers/Jordy being used too often. Really I think it comes down to match-ups and what the defense wants to eliminate.  

 

Gaining trust in Boykin and Adams compared to where he was with Jones. Being down early in both games.

 

Through 2 games he is averaging 37.5 att's / game... previous season high (since he's been the starter) was 34.5 / game.

 

It's been two games.

 

 

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Do you guys/gals think lack of TE production in the Jets game was game plan, keeping them in for max protect, or them just not getting open?

 

I thought Quarless had a decent half against the Seahawks; at least I could see some plays that had a TE running a pattern. Didn't see that in the Jets game, though.

Originally Posted by Grave Digger:

Next week we may see the Lions worry more about Jordy and that will open things up for Cobb or Davante or Boykin or Quarless or Rodgers. That's the beauty of having so many weapons

I guess you and I have different ideas on what offensive "weapons" are.  I look at Boykin and Quarless in particular as marginal NFL players, not weapons.  Rodgers the TE may become a weapon at some point, but right now, he is just a raw rookie, not someone that teams have to spend much time trying to figure out how to stop.

Yes, they used the TEs more in protection the first 2 games.

 

Watch Adams and Bostick vs DET.

 

 

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Rodgers on TEs: "We've used them in protections a lot the last two weeks. As we shore up protection, we'll give them more opportunities."
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Don't sell Boykin short. He's 6'2" with a 36" vertical, he's a good size receiver that can jump. And he had close to 700 yards last year with a 14 ypc average and a long of 52. He stepped up when Cobb went down and proved he could play in the NFL. I consider him a weapon, he certainly has a role. He's not a player teams gameplan to stop, but he's a player  that can get open and win matchups...he's not an elite WR, but he's not a guy you want matched up with your 4th CB or a Safety. To me he's closer to James Jones than he is Ruvell Martin. 

Originally Posted by Cheezers:
Originally Posted by Fedya:
Saw Hawk in two and make a base 3-1/2 3-1/2 defense.  Hawk sawn in two can't be any worse than a fully intact Hawk.

At least maybe the 2 half-Hawks could run into each other and take each other out of the play.  Would only be eliminating one full Hawk that way and no other players.

I was thinking that at least one of the half-Hawks would be within five yards of the play. 

Haven't read it anywhere, so it's not "confirmed," but I think Boykin may have gotten benched after dropping two early passes that would have been big plays. He was the 3rd WR and then suddenly he wasn't -- Davante was, and he made plays. 

 

Too early to worry about Cobb, though (or anyone for that matter). It's Week 3.

 

That said, I am sort of worried about the complete absence of TE contributions to the passing game through the first two games. 

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

 

Neal may have been on the field, which is almost the same as not being on the field. Splitting hairs though. 

Schit, Neal's the least of this defense's problems.

Originally Posted by michiganjoe:

AR and Jordy is beginning to resemble Favre and Sharpe and the ball really needs to be spread around a bit more. Need to get something from the TE position and continue to work Adams into the mix. Cobb's production will increase and I'm not terribly worried about it.

+1

Originally Posted by Timmy!:

Do you guys/gals think lack of TE production in the Jets game was game plan, keeping them in for max protect, or them just not getting open?

 

I thought Quarless had a decent half against the Seahawks; at least I could see some plays that had a TE running a pattern. Didn't see that in the Jets game, though.

Good point. With Sherrod in the starting lineup, a lot of TE resources were probably allocated to giving him help.

 

Still, this is a very inexperienced TE group, which is a big part of the problem. Getting Bostick involved in the offense next week should help a lot. Having a healthy Bulaga will help even more.

I think Jordy is a much better player than Cobb.   Cobb isn't capable of making the plays over defenders like Jordy can and nobody in the NFL is better at the back shoulder along the side line.   Long story short, Jordy doesn't need separation to be open.

 

Cobb, on the other hand, needs space to make an impact.   A couple of the throws to him in Seattle are prime examples.   He may be better in the open field, but I have also seen Jordy break plenty of tackles and he never gets caught from behind.  

 
Originally Posted by Fond Du Arrigo:

Originally Posted by ChilliJon: 

Neal may have been on the field, which is almost the same as not being on the field. Splitting hairs though. 

Schit, Neal's the least of this defense's problems.

 

L-R - Neal... Engages the blocker, swim move and the OL goes down resulting in a trip [penalty was called IIRC], yet Neal gets up and hits the ball carrier.

 

 

The other thing this sequence shows is Hawk was in position for a 3-5 yard down field tackle.

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Lambeau crowd.  

I've/family been a season ticket holder for a long time and I'm becoming ashamed of the complacency of our fans during the game.  Way to many Jet's jersey's, only getting loud on 3rd/4th down, etc.  We have been winning for a long time, our season ticket holders are older, tickets are expensive.  However, we have a big enough stadium and the right acoustics to make a difference.  I'm sure we'll never be as loud as Seattle, but they would have been standing screaming all day long, not just in selected spots.

 

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We won, thus allowing for a pleasant drive back to Detwat.  

 

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

 

I forgot he caught his first TD Sunday that wasn't reviewed. That was a TD. 

 

Sure didn't look like a TD. His feet were in EZ but ball was out IMO. 

 

Adams does look like he could be a good one. 

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