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Most knowledgeable NFL fans fear a high ankle sprain knowing it is typically more severe and takes longer to return than a traditional low ankle sprain. High sprains happen with external rotation while low sprains happen with inversion. 

By mechanism, I am expecting the high ankle sprains sustained by both Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr to be relatively mild. They both might have an outside chance to return for the next game. I don’t expect a prolonged absence of over a month. Bridgewater’s prognosis may be better, however, Minnesota’s next game is on Thursday.

 

 

Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy spent about 10 minutes chatting with the media after his team's practice Tuesday afternoon. Here are the highlights.

 

Packers injury report:

Clay Matthews (groin) full

Brad Jones (quad) limited

Josh Boyd (knee) DNP

Jarrett Boykin (groin) DNP

Sam Barrington (hamstring) DNP

 

On James Starks not getting a carry:

Frankly, that was poor management by myself. That shouldn't happen. I think the game is obviously different, the way it sorted out. James Starks should touch the football every single game. That will not happen again.

 

On Vikings QB Teddy Bridgewater not practicing:

Definitely. It's part of the preparation. It's not he first time it's happened to us. It's not the first time it's happened to us against the Minnesota Vikings. We'll be ready to go whether he plays or not.

 

On difference of Vikings offense with Mike Zimmer as coach:

I think they're definitely different. They do some quick screens and things. You're going to see Mike Zimmer's imprints.

 

On new Vikings coach Mike Zimmer:

I have a lot of respect for Mike, going back to when he was a defensive coordinator. He always challenges you schematically. He's an aggressive coach. It's always a challenging game.

 

On offensive identity:

I think that's more for you guys, frankly. I think we know who we are. We're focused on playing Thursday night.

 

On what the Packers identity is after 4 games:

I mean, it's four games. We have the ability to run the football, throw the football. We have an ability to play fast. That's how we prefer to play. We have a QB that makes clean plays.

 

On Randall Cobb's bounce back in Chicago:

Randall's a tireless worker. He's a true pro. He was that way at a young age. He was one of the most impressive rookies from a maturity standpoint that we had come in the door. I've never seen him need more urgency in his approach.

 

On run defense vs. Bears:

We're focused on the things that we can improve on, run defense and everything from the Chicago game. We had a very upbeat practice today, individual drills. We were focused on fundamentals.

 

On relationship between great QBs and WRs:

The quarterback position is the most important position in football. It can impact a game more than any other position in football. They can definitely make receivers better, there's no question about that. They can't do it without their receivers.

 

On short week building momentum:

Good point. We felt good coming back on the plane Sunday, and Monday, we actually got a little bit of work done. I was pleased with the amount of work we got done with walkthroughs and meetings. There's more energy, a positive feeling in the air. Everybody knows how hard it is to win a game. With a quick week, you've got to be really dialed in and turn that thing around. We're really focused on these guys.

Originally Posted by PackerHawk:
Originally Posted by PackerRuss:

 a pretty tough ATL D.  

Um, no. They have a horrible defense. Allowing 430 yards and 28 points per game so far. Only the Jags are worse. Packers aren't far behind them in suckitude.

Stats are for losers.....  but those stats are a bit skewed. Their first 3 games were against NO, CIN and TB.  Neither of those teams had a rusher for more than 90 yards.  Brees threw for 333 and Dalton for 256, but look at the Queens game and you have Teddy with over 300, plus McKinnon with 130+ (rushing), and Wright 130+ (Receiving).  Take this last game out of it, and they have given up 34, 24, and 14 with an avg of 24/gm, which puts them in the middle of the pack.  Maybe, shouldn't have said a Tough D, but that D isn't as bad as the numbers, just like the Packers D isn't as bad as the numbers as well.  

 

I guess what I am trying to say is that this past game has skewed those stats.  

 

Originally Posted by GBFanForLife:

If that was toss it up and hope, he should do it more often. It was directly to Adams.

 

Watch it again. Adams ran under it. Rodgers threw it to a spot, Adams happened to get to that spot. And no, he should not do it more often and he admitted as much. He called it "one of the poorer decisions of my career". Late, deep, down the middle while under pressure is a cardinal sin.

 

 

Originally Posted by PackerRuss:
Originally Posted by PackerHawk:
Originally Posted by PackerRuss:

 a pretty tough ATL D.  

Um, no. They have a horrible defense. Allowing 430 yards and 28 points per game so far. Only the Jags are worse. Packers aren't far behind them in suckitude.

Stats are for losers.....  but those stats are a bit skewed. Their first 3 games were against NO, CIN and TB.  Neither of those teams had a rusher for more than 90 yards.  Brees threw for 333 and Dalton for 256, but look at the Queens game and you have Teddy with over 300, plus McKinnon with 130+ (rushing), and Wright 130+ (Receiving).  Take this last game out of it, and they have given up 34, 24, and 14 with an avg of 24/gm, which puts them in the middle of the pack.  Maybe, shouldn't have said a Tough D, but that D isn't as bad as the numbers, just like the Packers D isn't as bad as the numbers as well.  

 

I guess what I am trying to say is that this past game has skewed those stats.  

 

you had me leaning and then you went and said this, "just like the Packers D isn't as bad as the numbers as well"

 

Beep, Beep, Beep ... backup the truck there professor. Thats when I realized you had just hit the Bong.

You are what your stats say you are ...

Curious: How bad do the stats have to get before you say there are some serious frickin issues going on on that defense?

 

We are just damn lucky are Offense went SuperNova and the Vajayjay factor kicked in on Sunday imo.

 

Obviously, I'm a half full guy, but your right, the Packers D is bad right now, hopefully it will get better.  If you go by the yds/gm stat, the Packers are one of the worst in the league #26, BUT if you go by pts/gm (which is really all that matters, imo) we are 17th in the league.  But the real stat that matters is we are an average team, right now at 2-2.  

Once again, this is an opponent we should steamroll.

They are suspect on defense, may have a decent running game, but no QB to speak of; certainly no passing QB.

It's likely to be a typical division game; too close for comfort, hard-fought, frustrating. If they can rush the ball effectively, it will keep our offense off the field, obviously, but also relieves pressure on Ponder/T Water, and eat up TOP. Everything we need to not  happen.

I also don't know if the SpermHeads would be the team to go up-tempo/no-huddle on; I don't know there would be an advantage to doing that. It would make just as much sense for us to have double-digit, time-consuming drives, and keep their RBs on the sidelines.

GBFFL commented it's supposed to be raining Thursday night. That's a good point, and if it gives either team an advantage, I'd say it favors the Pack. The better passer should prevail. Let's hope our guys aren't slipping/sliding instead of tackling.

Originally Posted by Hungry5:
 

Originally Posted by GBFanForLife:

If that was toss it up and hope, he should do it more often. It was directly to Adams.

 

Watch it again. Adams ran under it. Rodgers threw it to a spot, Adams happened to get to that spot. And no, he should not do it more often and he admitted as much. He called it "one of the poorer decisions of my career". Late, deep, down the middle while under pressure is a cardinal sin.

 

 

I still like it. Better than sitting in the pocket and taking a sack.

Originally Posted by PackerRuss:
I guess what I am trying to say is that this past game has skewed those stats.  

I'm not buying it. Not for a second. Atlanta and Green Bay both have BAD defenses.

 

GB and ATL were 25th and 27th in total defense last year. That's 16 games, big enough sample size for you? 24th and 27th in points allowed.

 

This year 26th and 31st in total defense and 17th(GB) and 29th in points allowed.

 

These are not statistical anomalies here. These are TWO BAD DEFENSES.

 

If there is a skewed stat it would probably be points allowed by Green Bay. They let Chicago gain almost 500 yards but thanks to piss poor clock management at the end of the half and Cutler remembering he was Cutler in the 2nd half they only managed 17 points. Marty Mohrningwig also took 7 points off the board for the Jets. Need more games like the Lions before we can even begin to call this defense average. 

 

As for Atlanta, maybe their defense could look OK if they got to play Tampa Bay 16 games every year. Until that happens, they have a crappy defense.

 

 

Originally Posted by PackerHawk:
I'm not buying it. Not for a second. Atlanta and Green Bay both have BAD defenses.

 

GB and ATL were 25th and 27th in total defense last year. That's 16 games, big enough sample size for you? 24th and 27th in points allowed.

 

This year 26th and 31st in total defense and 17th(GB) and 29th in points allowed.

 

These are not statistical anomalies here. These are TWO BAD DEFENSES.

 

These are two defenses playing poorly- whether they are CAPITAL letters bad is yet to be determined.

17th in points is certainly a decent starting point

There's lots of ways to look at it, the only thing we can do is watch and see if they get better

Couple of comments though

 

1) Last year doesn't matter, but if it did- it would be fair to point out that the Packers defense was playing some very good ball before Rodgers, Matthews and others got hurt

 

2) This year, the Packers are using 3 new DL, a new OLB, new safeties, a change at ILB with Lattimore. That's a lot of personnel changes that need to be assimilated

 

3) There are changes in scheme as well and those too take some time to be assimilated

 

IF any other team made a similar number of changes on their defense, we'd all assume it would take a half a season to gel. The 2014 Packers deserve the same patience from the fans imo. The fans who clamored, screamed and hollered for change are often the ones griping about the fact that they didn't come out of the gate on fire after those changes were made

 

The Packers defense has played poorly too often in September of 2014, that much is clear

 

But saddling them with both the yoke of previous shortcomings AND the inevitability of future suckitude just isn't a very enlightened position in my opinion

 

Even Leroy Butler said it will take until the bye week for them to all gel. GB plays @ New Orleans right before the bye - if the new Packers defense & personnel haven't shown improvement by then, bring out your pitchforks and skewer them to your hearts delight

 

I'm sure its a surprise for most fans, but here's the sequence of points given up in 2014

36, 24, 19, 17 including a shut out of the Bears in the 2nd half and holding the Jets to 3 points in the 2nd half of that game

 

Perhaps that's a positive trend ?

Also note: The vaunted 49ers defense gave up 28 at home to the Bears and the Jets gave up 27.

The Packers defense allowed.... 17

 

We'll see soon enough if they rise to the occasion

 

Last edited by Satori

Packers coach Mike McCarthy spoke to the media following Wednesday's closed practice.

Here are some highlights:

Injury report: Out – WR Jarrett Boykin (DNP, groin). Doubtful – DL Josh Boyd (DNP, knee), ILB Sam Barrington (DNP, hamstring). Probable – ILB Brad Jones (limited, quad), OLB Clay Matthews (full, groin), OL T.J. Lang (personal) OLB/DE Mike Neal (DNP, hip).

 

On Mike Neal:

He couldn't practice today. I'm hopeful he'll be ready for the game.

 

On impact of new schedule:

Our injury situation to date, we definitely have been healthier from a numbers standpoint. Our biggest injuries, we've had four ACLs and the league average is probably two a year.

 

On Jarrett Boykin:

I don't have a timeline. Jarrett won't be ready for Thursday. I don't know if he'll be ready for Miami. That's a long time away. It's a little worse than they thought he was.

 

On QBs being more ready to play:

I think so. I think you have to give credit to high school programs and these college games, they're throwing the ball all over the yard. It used to be if you put a quarterback in shotgun, you had to teach him a whole new thing. Third-down is the toughest down in football, so I think these QBs have a lot more experience because what they do in high school and college before they get here. Everyone used to play in I-form. They had to be ready for third down and subpackages. Madden football. Let's be honest. What they're exposed to.

 

On Jeff Janis and Davante Adams:

I think Adams is taking advantage of his opportunities. I think they'll tilt coverage toward Jordy. Jeff has been doing a good job. We'll see how it works out.

 

On Mason Crosby's kickoff:

He can kick it up in the stands as far as I'm concerned. He's kicking the ball very well. That's something this time of year you have to take advantage of.

 

On tilting coverage to Jordy:

If you look at history of defense that has a quarters concept, they can match. Their ability to leverage Jordy in their base stuff is something they do all the time. I think it's part of the way they play.

 

On running out of shotgun:

Analogy for quarterback is similar to running back. If you look at Eddie and James, they rip down field and you put them in shotgun, there's an adjustment. It's a whole different look. If you see runners not being patient, they're not trusting the footwork.

 

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