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There really aren't that many GMs in the NFL period that have proven to truly be good GMs...in no particular order the most proven guys in the league right now are Billy B, TT,  Ozzie, Colbert. There's a lot of GMs who haven't been with their teams as long but have had early success or seem promising like Schneider, Keim, Gettleman, Dorsey, Elway, McKenzie, Caldwell, etc. The puzzling ones are the good veteran GMs who are in bad funks right now like Jerry Reese and Mickey Loomis...they drafted poorly AND signed poorly in FAs, something neither GM seemed fond of doing during the recent hay days of their teams.

So right there is 11 GMs who are proven, have had success, or look like they will have future success. I can argue that maybe 1 has been consistently better at his job than TT.

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MichiganPacker posted:

If TT hadn't had the balls lap to draft Rodgers back when he had a Hall of Fame QB on the roster, we'd probably be doing things like packaging 6 premium picks to get a QB who went 14-23 as a starter (Goff) or 5 premium picks for a player who couldn't beat out another QB who was the starter for Waupaca High School before he went to North Dakota St. (Wentz). The most important thing a GM has to do is get a QB and he did that. No way Mike Sherman makes that Aaron Rodgers pick in 2005.

Please calm down Diggy. I fixed his mistake. MiPack, no more trolling, please.

Grave Digger posted:

There really aren't that many GMs in the NFL period that have proven to truly be good GMs...in no particular order the most proven guys in the league right now are Billy B, TT,  Ozzie, Colbert. There's a lot of GMs who haven't been with their teams as long but have had early success or seem promising like Schneider, Keim, Gettleman, Dorsey, Elway, McKenzie, Caldwell, etc. The puzzling ones are the good veteran GMs who are in bad funks right now like Jerry Reese and Mickey Loomis...they drafted poorly AND signed poorly in FAs, something neither GM seemed fond of doing during the recent hay days of their teams.

So right there is 11 GMs who are proven, have had success, or look like they will have future success. I can argue that maybe 1 has been consistently better at his job than TT.

It's a tough, tough job. Essentially, the league is designed to destroy the top teams every year. Free agency means the better players in the league cost more money in the long run, yet the salary cap means that if too many of those guys are on your team, you have to let some of them go.

Quite frankly, if you build a playoff team, that team is going to feature some good players. To boot, success means you are drafting at the bottom of each round every year.

Of course, none of that applies to the guy who catches QB's with his lap while sipping Bud Light on the rocks.

That joker, Archie, from Packer update used to go off on TT for lacking the foresight to draft Clay earlier in the draft when he was picking 9th. Love it!

50k Club posted:
Diggr14 posted:

Well, he hasn't drafted very well this decade.  Maybe people are making excuses for him still.  He's cashing that AR-12 check hard and has been for a while.  Fell into his lap.

TT certainly has had some major misses in the first round and it's fair to criticize him for it, but aren't you ignoring (what I think are) recent successes of HHCD and the promising Randall? I'm still holding out some hope for Datone Jones in the elephant role.

Given TT's notable failures at drafting DL, I wonder what it is that has been the issue in drafting them - is it the requirements of Capers' scheme?  is it a failure in scouting?

Think probability and sample size.

The most likely answer is it's just bad luck overall in the first round.

If Ted could live to be 100 the cream would rise to the top.

But in the real world...with only 12 years of doing this with Green Bay...the odds are good that any bad streak is just a bad streak...sometimes 5 tails come up in  a row when you want heads.

Except for Hillary...she knows how to flip a coin.

Looks like Kenny played just a few snaps on Sunday. Did anyone notice? He was credited for an asst tackle. It may simply be a luxury for GB to slowly ease Clark into the rotation since Letroy Guion is off to a really good start (even going back to TC).

But I really thought he'd be getting a much bigger load out of need more then anything else since Pennell is suspended.

It's been one week. We have AP on Sunday. But minus Raji and Clark barely playing, it's pretty impressive the run D is looking good.

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