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whew....finally got caught up with Round 2....just got home....

my take is the same as a previous poster:

he adds the potential to put in the "Wild-Cobb" formation...that's a part of most teams' offenses...we didnt' have it.....now we do....

teams will have to plan for it....

I can see it now...no huddle....Rodgers breaks out of the huddle only to go in motion to wide-wide receiver....quick snap to Cobb...touchdown...
BTW...count me in the "I like Jones" camp...I hope we do sign up long term....
come on...his surname begins with the letter "J" for crying out loud....assuming Driver will be gone soon...we'd still have:

Jennings-Jordy-Jones

throw in Cobb and Swain (who I'm not giving up on either...he'll be a player, too)

we will have quality depth for awhile...

and...heck...with no salary cap we can sign EVERYONE!! (well, we might have to sell some more stock...ha)

thanks to Jerrah Jones and Snyderbrenner for that...
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Originally posted by SanDiegoPackFan:
he adds the potential to put in the "Wild-Cobb" formation...that's a part of most teams' offenses...we didnt' have it.....now we do....

teams will have to plan for it....

I can see it now...no huddle....Rodgers breaks out of the huddle only to go in motion to wide-wide receiver....quick snap to Cobb...touchdown...


I tend to disagree with a Wild-Cobb package. The Packers are better off with Rodgers taking every snap and Cobb working over the other team's third or fourth best CB imo. Cobb seems like a guy that will excel at finding the space created by defenses trying to solve the problems Jermichael Finley creates.
Jones can help this team, but I'm not convinced that we should extend him to a long term deal. I think Jordy Nelson is a better all around player and if I had to choose between the two guys to sign to a longer term contract it would be Nelson. TT won't resign both of them IMO.

I also wouldn't write off Driver just yet. Sure, he's 35 or 36 but his production is still there.

Like this choice for a couple of reasons. People mentioned Brooks and Jennings and he looks like he's really good as a RAC/YAC guy. While he isn't a burner, once he gets out in the open I don't see many guys tracking him down. That's how this offense works. Get the ball to the WRs and let them do their work after the catch. The more immediate need he can fill is as a return guy, and it allows the Packers to bring him along at a reasonable pace as a true receiver. If you look back over time (in this style of offense) it takes these guys some time to step in and learn the offense and perform.
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Originally posted by titmfatied:


I tend to disagree with a Wild-Cobb package. The Packers are better off with Rodgers taking every snap and Cobb working over the other team's third or fourth best CB imo. Cobb seems like a guy that will excel at finding the space created by defenses trying to solve the problems Jermichael Finley creates.


Agreed. You're not going to take your super star QB from under center. I can see Cobb being used out of the backfield as well as slot receiver but I highly doubt MM is going to get overly cute with his offense. It's about precision and options, not gimmicks.
I wonder why Jordy gets a pass on drops while Jones gets all the heat? Jones' drop in the Super Bowl was bad....but how many did Jordy have? Driver has had streaks of the drops too over his career. McCarthy brought up that Jones was playing through that thumb problem in the end of the season, and perhaps that had to do with some of those bad drops.

If the 2010 rules get extended, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see a first round tender on Jones for one season. I think Thompson likes keeping the roster in tact from year to year. If Cobb and Jordy continue to progress, you can go with those two with Jennings going forward, and Ted can do his 2nd/3rd round WR magic once again next season.
I think Jones is a baller who needs to complete the maturation process that receivers go through as Henry said. I equate it to running backs who suffer from fumble issues when they enter the league. There have been a ton of these who have gone on to great careers beginning with Sweetness and the Tiki Bar. I keep JJ around another year to see if he shows improvement in this department, and then reassess at the end of the year. His pig play potential and age make him simply too valuable to this team. JJ gets over the dropsies and he is one of the best #2's in the league, and surpasses Jordy on the depth chart if he isn't there already.
Most rookie WRs contribute very little - Cobb will be ready to step up (as a WR) after Driver retires in a year or two. In the meantime, he will be the return specialist and get on the field for the occasional "WildCobb" formation.

I like Jones also, and would like him to stay in Green Bay.


edit: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/120932024.html

Rather than boldly move up in the second round for a pass-rushing outside linebacker, Thompson remained at No. 64 and selected Kentucky's Randall Cobb, a dynamic player who immediately becomes the frontrunner to return both punts and kicks as a rookie and then replace Donald Driver in the slot when his career comes to an end.
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Originally posted by michiganjoe:
Jones has been in the league for four years and I'm puzzled why some people believe the light will suddenly go on and it's just a matter of time.

I love the guy's talent, but his inconsistency is a killer.


No crap. There are tons of players that just don't ever get it. Jones drops the easiest passes. And how can you compare Tiki Barber that was a decent consistent running back. Jones' only consistency are his drops. He disappears weeks at a time. Not only does he drop passes, how can you forget the NE game when he made no attempt to fight for the TD int that Flynn threw? He's got talent but I would rather take a 3rd round choice for the guy.

He also had 3 fumbles this past year including the backbreaker at Chicago.
The point of the comparison is not based on talent. If that were the case I'd be saying he's the second coming of Payton at WR. The comparison applies to the deficency in their games. I guess in the end it depends on whether you think his big plays outweigh the drops. I personally do. I guess we'll see what management thinks pretty soon.
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people seem awesome at remembering Jones drops, but forgetting everything else. Guys gets open, gets first downs (more that Driver and Nelson did), and scores.

We were lucky to have him last year. I'd take him back in a second this year.

The only reason I'm comfortable with him walking is if he can find a large contract with someone else.
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Originally posted by Pakrz:
Not one year. Decision is made this off season going forward. I love DD, but if it came down to DD or JJ and I had to choose one, JJ gets the nod for me.


Throw out the fact that one is probably looking for a 6 year 36 million dollar deal too? Finley and Nelson are FA's next year and there's no way TT would've let JJ go on this long without signing him.
Partnership Drives Packers' Success
packers.com

By Vic Ketchman on April 30th, 2011
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“You have to make sure you have the packages in place for them,” McCarthy said of Cobb-type players, “which we do. The infectious personality; we walked out of the interview room at the combine and I said to myself I’d like the chance to coach that young man.”

Obviously, the Packers had targeted Cobb as a prime prospect. continue
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Originally posted by TD:
Jones' only consistency are his drops. He disappears weeks at a time. Not only does he drop passes, how can you forget the NE game when he made no attempt to fight for the TD int that Flynn threw? He's got talent but I would rather take a 3rd round choice for the guy.

He also had 3 fumbles this past year including the backbreaker at Chicago.


Are we talking about JJ or Bill Schroeder?

I get the angst over the drops, but you lost me on the "disappears weeks at a time." When you only get a chance to touch the ball a maximum of a handful of times per game at someone else's discretion I don't see him "disappearing" at all (with the exception of the Miami game, but if memory serves Driver dropped a boatload in that one).

JJ's Stats

and BTW he fumbled the ball 3 times in 2010 and lost 1 ('the backbreaker').

I'm not so anxious to get rid of the guy even after the Cobb pick.

I'd deal with him over money not skill.

And chit...if there ain't no getting better after 27 years old, no wonder I'm ****ed.
nothing against Donald, but Jones is the better receiver right now. Gets open more and more of a YAC threat. Donald has a place on this team, but mostly as a possession receiver (and I know, he may have had the most exciting play of the regular season this year).

Rodgers kept going to Jones, so I'm guessing he wants him around as well.
The main rap against Driver is age and as the article suggests, those injuries he had last year can very likely be the inevitable result of an older body.

The guy is 36. That is by far the single most compelling issue.

I think sometimes folks can bias objectivity for the love of a player. Al Harris comes to mind. In citing him, I am not equating him to Driver. After all, his is a case of not only age, but trying to recover from a major injury.

But, there are similarities. It is easy to skew our perceptions because of our love for all that a player has stood for and given to the Green and Gold.

As I said, I agree entirely with the article. If you want to choose based on the love of a player, you have to go with Driver. If you want to choose based on putting the best product on the field, you have to go with Jones.

I realize my inputs are lacking on the financial end for which I just don't have the willingness to digest and so have no qualifications from that perspective.
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Originally posted by ammo:
Cobb may be a very good slot reciever in a few years, but he needs a few years to develope.

That's not necessarily true. I figure you're going with the mantra that WR's need 3 years to develop, but Cobb could be the exception. I’d like to keep Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Jones, Swain, and Cobb. I see no reason why they can’t, especially if they can get the TEs to play more like HB’s.

2011 will be another tough year for making final cut-down decisions.
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Originally posted by 18c3v:
I don't have any doubt that Jones is a better option as a player than Driver, despite the drops. The bottom line is, he will want starter money and has said repeatedly that he wants a starting job. GB will not give him either.


Technically, you are correct. But as an arm chair GM, money and the salary cap don't exist. In our minds, it would be a complete travesty if TT doesn't keep both Jones and Jenkins. We also need to go sign a big time free agent pass rusher. This will then allow us to sign Nelson, Finley and Sitton to extensions next year b/c they'll take pay cuts to play on a team looking to three-peat.

Other things that don't exist as an arm chair GM are team chemistry, locker room salary structure and improving your team from within. Also, teams will always trade us their best players and high draft picks to get our backups and low draft picks.

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That's not necessarily true. I figure you're going with the mantra that WR's need 3 years to develop, but Cobb could be the exception. I’d like to keep Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Jones, Swain, and Cobb. I see no reason why they can’t, especially if they can get the TEs to play more like HB’s


I just don't see them keeping 6 WRs, unless there is a change in numbers on the team when a new CBA gets done. Personally, I think Swain is a goner. Just from the comments that have been made by TT and MM about Cobb and his work in the slot and TT comments about how MM LOVES TEs coupled with the fact they now have a ton of TEs on the roster, I see them keeping 4 TEs again this year and that Cobb was brought in to eventually replace Driver, not Jones. Just my opinion.

Granted, if they cut loose a FB like Hall, they could keep one more WR. I just think Hall actually brings more to the table than Swain.

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