TJ WATT AT 29: YES OR NO

Yes.  Hard to pass up a guy who has the athleticism, measurables, work ethic and bloodline to succeed in this league.  Only knock I hear is that he's still learning the OLB spot.  And if he was lazy that would matter, but does anyone think for a second he's not going to work day and night to get up to speed?  If he works even just half as hard as JJ, he'll be a damn good player.  Something tells me he'll be gone though.  Too few holes in his game to go that late.  

If he is there and the Packers don't take him, a full-out revolt will ensue in the state of Wisconsin. 

He absolutely should be the pick if there- especially if it is known that they're going to move Matthews inside to prolong his career. Watt is not as good now as he'll be. 

When and where exactly did the narrative start that Clays career would be extended by playing inside? Because it's patently bull****. 

Truth is there will be a few defensive players in the draft that Ted passes on at 29 that will become good pros. Just need to find one of those day one contributors. 

TJ is an incredibly safe pick. Endless effort and energy. But he may not be the best option on the board on day one. 

I still think Thompson would prefer to take a cornerback first, linebacker second.  Based on how Thompson has drafted in the past I'd guess his preferred choice at #29 would either be Watt or Jordan Willis if the pick was a linebacker.  I think players like Charles Harris and Tyus Bowser would slot just below Watt/Willis.  Picking between Watt and Willis is as near as a complete toss-up situation as you can get.

I don't think Watt will be there, but if he is, I wouldn't mind at all if the Pack pulled the trigger there.  I think he's just one of those guys like Clay Matthews that maybe is a little bit of a late bloomer and his best football is ahead of him.  And the football that was behind him was pretty danged good, it's just that I think he's going to be even better as time goes on.  No matter what team takes him, I think they are going to be happy with that pick for many years if he stays healthy.

ChilliJon posted:

When and where exactly did the narrative start that Clays career would be extended by playing inside? Because it's patently bull****. 

What the f*ck does narrative have to do with it? I believe he cannot handle a full season at OLB, his legs can't take it. I believe he's going to play inside more often than outside going forward.

So yes, I think they should think about a succession plan in his position. And yes, TJ Watt is good enough to play the position in Green Bay. 

They absolutely need to address the OLB position whether it's Watt or someone else.   The odds of CMIII staying healthy (and actually Perry for that matter too) are very slim. 

They need more talent and depth at CB as well and if I had to guess that's where Ted goes at 29 assuming no trades or other deals are made. 

DH13 posted:

Whether or not TT takes another CB at 29 will depend on who is left.  He'll take the best available, be that a CB, OLB or whoever we haven't been paying attention to.

Yep. There could be a better a prospect there at 29 that Ted opts for. If Takk McKinley is there it's hard to believe he wouldn't be the guy. Ted seems to favor guys with high athletic upside in round 1, if TeeJay What is the best athlete at 29 then he will be the guy. 

I can see TT giving Jabrill Peppers' versatility a long look. He's a coverage upgrade over Hyde in the slot. He's an upgrade over Hyde in run support though not a huge upgrade. Micah was pretty good in run support. He's a massive punt return upgrade over Hyde. He's a likely replacement for Morgan Burnett at SS when Morgan hits FA after this year. 

I think he's also give this defense some sorely needed leadership.  Guys like Perry, Daniels, Haha, Burnett, CMIII, etc. all seem like great lockerroom guys and teammates, but none have taken on that leadership role since Woodson left.  I think Watt could step into that role eventually.  

ChilliJon posted:

I can see TT giving Jabrill Peppers' versatility a long look. He's a coverage upgrade over Hyde in the slot. He's an upgrade over Hyde in run support though not a huge upgrade. Micah was pretty good in run support. He's a massive punt return upgrade over Hyde. He's a likely replacement for Morgan Burnett at SS when Morgan hits FA after this year. 

If he looks for a Burnett replacement I hope he finds a true FS in the Nick Collins mold rather than another guy who is a better run stuffer than centerfielder. Dix has been an adequate centerfielder, but he's not an aggressive ballhawk like Collins or Earl Thomas. Same for Burnett and Hyde. Budda Baker in R1 (if he's there) or Tedric Thompson in R4 would be better options IMO, those guys are strong in coverage with flexibility to cover the Slot. Baker especially would have an instant impact at FS. 

"Not as good an athlete as people think he is". That's fantastic. 

I would feel better about Peppers at 29 if there was a defined position I knew he would accell at on Sundays. I think he's a valuable athletic slot guy that can be moved around. Blitz from the slot. He's got the ability to flip field position on a consistent basis as a punt returner. 

The question is. Do you go with someone that can help improve a few positions by doing them well or do you go with a guy like Watt or Jordan Willis that have the potential to do one thing (put the QB on the ground) or Baker (safety) or Chidobe Awuzie (versatile corner) extremely well? 

Like I mentioned yesterday. There should be a lot of difference makers on defense at 29. It will SUCK if that pick doesn't work out given the likelyhood a few defenses players selected between 29 and 45 are going to become productive starters. Ted best do his homework on that first pick. It's kind of a big one. And I'm glad I'm not him. 

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