good point, Fedya. I'm not sure either.
Why would Kraft have to testify? Did they know something and didn't report it?
What did they know? When did they know it? Civil suits are strange.
My point is, you need to be sure. There are so many incidents with this guy so recently. Why wouldn't he give up his gun and stay with the football team in Oregon?
I wouldn't be at all surprised if TT has Lyerla graded out as first round talent. TT is both conservative and cautious and I trust him to make the right call and minimize any potential risks involved to the franchise.
I don't get the angst about Lyerla. Sure he's a coke head and a moron, but the Packers aren't investing anything in him. I would have wasted a draft pick on him because his bust factor is so high that it's not worth the gamble, but as a UDFA there is zero risk to the team. Worst case scenario IMO, he gets back on the drugs or gets in trouble somehow and the Packers dump him and are only out a few thousand dollars in signing bonus. Best case scenario is that he gets his crap together and adds a really talented receiving threat to an already dangerous offense.
Originally Posted by heyward:
Originally Posted by PackLandVA:
If another North team signed this guy, I wonder how many would be so supportive of that franchise giving him a shot and hoping he could turn his life around.
I'm guessing that's a rhetorical question because you sure as heck know the answer.
The Bears, Lions, or Vikings should never be confused with the Packers so wondering how fans would react to this type of tryout for these other teams is not relevant. When the Bears, Lions, or Vikings build a winning and respected franchise for over 20 consecutive years than I'd give them the benefit of doubt for giving a character risk/high talent player a chance. None of those 3 franchises really have much history over the past 25 years to support that benefit of doubt though.
Packer People!
Extremely talented player is available as a UDFA, that's a good deal for any team. If any other team, including our rivals, signed him I would still say it was a good move. I would be skeptical it could work in Minnesota or Detoilet because those teams don't have locker rooms that would be beneficial to a young troubled player.
Originally Posted by YATittle:
The #Packers have signed #Hawaii DB Charles Clay to their 90-man roster. He was a tryout participant in rookie camp this past weekend
http://www.staradvertiser.com/...e_at_UH_pro_day.html
4.4 40, not too shabby. Gotta say he looks the part!
@WesHod: Here we go....The #Packers have signed former Oregon TE Colt Lyerla after tryout at rookie orientation
@BrianCarriveau: The #Packers have waived TE Raymond Webber according to the league's transaction wire.
All the new signees:
@RobDemovsky: #Packers have signed three tryout players:
Charles Clay, DB Hawaii
Luther Robinson, DE Miami
And ...
Colt Lyerla, TE Oregon
@Michelle_NFL: With the transactions today, the #Packers have hit the 90-man roster limit. Have to cut someone to add someone.
Per WesHod...Luther Robinson will wear #97...bye bye Jolly Time?
Hoping I'm wrong. Trusting in Ted. Hope it works out.
Despite age and injury history I think outside of Raji the true big bodies are going away. Change of philosophy? More attacking, one gap Dline?
Gotta say, wondering what Dan Compers is going for.
Originally Posted by Henry:
Despite age and injury history I think outside of Raji the true big bodies are going away. Change of philosophy? More attacking, one gap Dline?
Good call.
I think its a function of how little base 3-4 GB and other teams play.
GB was in base only 24 % of the time per MM.
That's part of why a space-eater like Nix lasted so long in the draft
In the nickel D, GB uses more of the 1-gapper types as you've noted and much of the NFL is the same way. The Big Guys simply don't rush the passer and the days of Sam Adams, Grady Jackson, and even Vince Wilfork are winding down
Not sure how GB is planning to stop the run, but it sure seems like the wide-bodies aren't a big part of it going forward. In the stuff I read about both SF and Seattle DL, they mix and match 1- gap for some players and 2- gap for others. They aren't doing the same thing with all their DL and that allows them to be....wait for it...more multiple.
Different alignments, different assignments based on your skill set and body type.
What do the up-tempo offenses try to do ? They try to catch you with your fatties on the field and prevent you from substituting.
The Defense reacts by having fewer of the 2-gapping "liabilities" on the field and more of the combo DL who can do both jobs as needed
Even during the season, the bottom five guys on the roster are on the bubble. With it at 90, any of the bottom ten can go at any minute. Thats how TT rolls. So, its hard to get too worked up about our 88-90 spots.
Did no one else any of the three signed today? Nope. But no one wanted Boykin either. Much chance even one of them makes the team? Nope. But that's why they have training camp.
Did no one else any of the three signed today? Nope. But no one wanted Boykin either. Much chance even one of them makes the team? Nope. But that's why they have training camp.
I want my Lyerla jersey now!!
Originally Posted by Hungry5:
Originally Posted by heyward:
Originally Posted by PackLandVA:
If another North team signed this guy, I wonder how many would be so supportive of that franchise giving him a shot and hoping he could turn his life around.
I'm guessing that's a rhetorical question because you sure as heck know the answer.
The Bears, Lions, or Vikings should never be confused with the Packers so wondering how fans would react to this type of tryout for these other teams is not relevant. When the Bears, Lions, or Vikings build a winning and respected franchise for over 20 consecutive years than I'd give them the benefit of doubt for giving a character risk/high talent player a chance. None of those 3 franchises really have much history over the past 25 years to support that benefit of doubt though.
Weak sauce.
Maybe a different example would be any other competitive franchise in the NFL: the Pats, Niners, Broncos, etc. This board would be filled with posters yammering about those franchises signing such a "character risk". And how the Packers may have given him a look but he's "not Packer People".
How many people really know were this kid Lyerla head is now, or what problems he has. My guess is Ted has about as good a grasp as anyone. Let this play out, if the Packers organization can save this kid good for them.
The transition of more athletic inside LBs has to play a part as well overall. ILBs simply aren't expected or able to bring the rush as much but to hold contain and drop into coverage. Wide bodies don't bring the threat of rush and the need to swallow blockers with no rushing ILBs renders them to just run stoppers, a aspect of the game that's in transition and not being keyed on.
Cat and mouse game continues. Bruisers like Eddie start making a impact again.
I'm guessing if Colt signed with the Patriots the number of mentions or concerns on this message board would be slim to none
Bruisers like Eddie start making a impact again.
I've wondered for the last 5-10 years what team will be the first to get a big beefy line and some power runners and plow their way to a championship along with a stout D. A healthy GBP Oline could have that look but when you have AR it kinda makes that conversation moot.
Or can it not be done anymore? Would Goodell call foul if a team kept winning 10-3 cuz tv ratings? 
What Lyerla did was post something incredibly stupid and abuse himself. If he trips up during camp and makes the 53, I'd question Ted's mental state. If another team (Pat's Niners, Broncos, etc...) signed him, would we even know? Is this signing news outside of Packers land?
Originally Posted by Hungry5:
What Lyerla did was post something incredibly stupid and abuse himself.
X4 material?
Chances of the Pats signing a high risk TE right now. Less than zero. Chances of SF signing a high risk TE when theyve got their hands full with Aldon Smith. Slightly better than the Pats. Based on their offseason moves Denver looks like they feel Peyton has what he needs on offense and probably don't feel the need to develop a rookie TE.
Packers have run a pretty clean operation for the past few years which allows them to at least kick the tires of a guy like Lyerla. Not every team has that luxury. If Ted puts him on the 53 and he ****s up that'll be the last you see of a character risk in GB for a long while. IMO that's the part TT is weighing. Is this guy good enough to risk playing that card.
If I had to guess what's going on with the defense, my prediction is that we're going to see a lot more 4-3 alignments on the field going forward. I don't think that Julius Peppers will be dropping into coverage very much for the Packers. Based on the way the DL is sizing up (really looks like more of a fast, athletic 4-3 DL that can get up the field), he's probably going to be used like a 4-3 DE who will sometimes rush from a 3-4 OLB position. Dom Capers has run a 4-3 defense before (in Jacksonville), so it wouldn't be some crazy experiment for him.
good points, Chillijon
Not sure how this thread morphed into this, but IMHO you'll see Peppers and CMIII both standing up and moving around a lot - outside, inside, either side. Then you'll have Neal and Daniels coming from the interior and Perry out there to be put in the right spots.
As said, this kid is worth the risk of absolutely nothing. If he gets his head out of his ass, GB has a steal. If not, he's gone. Worth a flyer for a few weeks or months.
Couple inches shorter but all the potential and athletic ability of leg humper Finley.
How long before the dip**** in him shines through....prob won't take long.
Originally Posted by Henry:
Despite age and injury history I think outside of Raji the true big bodies are going away. Change of philosophy? More attacking, one gap Dline?
Gotta say, wondering what Dan Compers is going for.
If there is indeed a change in the wind, this makes sense from the standpoint of covering some of the weakness (real or perceived) at ILB. In other words, the practice of the DL eating up blocks and having LBs flow to the ball/fill the gap wasn't working well for us.
Originally Posted by Iowacheese:
How long before the dip**** in him shines through....prob won't take long.
Under stress, perps/people usually revert to their natural state.
I'd guess there will be hiccups along the path to righteousness
I like what Boris said on another thread, just watch and let this whole thing play out. I like how we analize the inner workings of TT's decidion making process and predict the behavior of a 20 something player with behavioral and dependency issues.
All I can accurately say is from what I've read about the guy's talent level and how I feel about these type of things personally, I hope he takes advantage of this second chance and can succeed and help the Packers win. 2nd chances are great, I think we all can attest in some way or another.
All I can accurately say is from what I've read about the guy's talent level and how I feel about these type of things personally, I hope he takes advantage of this second chance and can succeed and help the Packers win. 2nd chances are great, I think we all can attest in some way or another.
Originally Posted by Tavis Smiley:
... I think we all can attest in some way or another.
Only those of us who have ever screwed up Tavis.
Originally Posted by Satori:
Originally Posted by titmfatied:
Thx - That's a pretty cool feature at packers.com
I didn't realize Rodgers and Rubley shared the number 12
As did Zeke.
A Former, Disgraced NFL Backup To John Elway And Brett Favre Plays In My Crappy Flag Football League!
Where I live the flag football league is even more serious of a matter than softball and softball is a big flipping deal.
Some buddies of mine put a team together and we figured we could just show up and school yard it since it was rec league. No way, these guys have a full play book and practice several times a week. The advanced league is full of ex D1 players and such. Ridiculous, I don't have time for flag football practice.
Kind of an interesting article. Rubley throws five passes and hits four TDs in flag football. Guy was MVP of another league -- and he's best known for one "pass" in the NFL.