Where will change come from?

most often, a cash register. 

Pretty sure you answered your own question about WHERE change will come from in your excellent opening post.

 

The answer is, of course, no one and nowhere.

 

The Packers winning the Super Bowl in 2010 means TT will be here until he decides to retire in, what 2018? Maybe.

 

And, of course, as long as TT is the GM then MM is the head coach.

 

And as long as MM is head coach the assistants are secure in their positions, unless a unit finishes near the bottom of league standings for several years running and embarrasses themselves in a NFC Championship game, because even MM will get rid of a close buddy like Slocum under those circumstances.

 

Changes? Not likely in Green Bay as long as TT & MM are in charge.

No improvement will come after Capers is canned.

Excellent post.

 

I wonder about how successful Thompson's system really is... Is it, really? Seems a big misconception the way things are going, and have been going since McCarthy pulled his "blind squirrel finding the nut" routine back in the 2010 season. At least, these past four years have shown McCarthy to produce epic failures as a HC, and Thompson as well on the personnel side as GM. Epic.

 

The only thing both are very good at, consistent at, is turning a blind eye to our real problems, thinking their systems are somehow superior. We have personnel issues up and down the field, on both sides of the ball. We have coaching issues everywhere too.

 

We are well on our way to working ourselves out of the playoff picture.

 

I would rather have Eliot Wolf running this team.

 

The HC is fat and now we find out he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed?

What the heck has Eliot Wolf ever done?

Eliot Wolf enters his 12th season with the Packers and first as the director of player personnel after being promoted on Jan. 2, 2015. Prior to his current role, Wolf spent the previous three seasons as the team’s director of pro personnel. In 2011, he served as the assistant director of player personnel after working as the team’s assistant director of pro personnel the previous three seasons (2008-2010).

 

Originally named as a pro personnel assistant on Feb. 26, 2004, by then-General Manager/Head Coach Mike Sherman, Wolf spent four seasons in that position.

Currently the second youngest player personnel director in the NFL, his primary duties include both college and pro player evaluation through film study, college visits, pro days, college All-Star games and the NFL Scouting Combine. During the season, he is responsible for advance scouting of upcoming Packers opponents, evaluating potential free-agent signees and recommending player tryouts.

 

The son of former Packers general manager and 2015 Pro Football Hall of Fame inductee Ron Wolf, Eliot’s scouting career unofficially began at age 10, when he joined his father in film sessions at Lambeau Field. His scouting abilities continued to develop as he filed his first report at age 14 for the Atlanta Falcons.

 

Overall, he has spent more than two decades in official and unofficial capacities working as a talent evaluator. Wolf has contributed to the Packers’ draft preparations since 1993, 23 consecutive drafts overall. He has held nine NFL scouting internships – five with the Packers, three with the Falcons and one with the Seattle Seahawks.

 

The 33-year-old Wolf owns a B.A. degree in English with an emphasis in creative writing from the University of Miami (Fla.), graduating in December 2003 after just 3½ years in order to begin his NFL career before the 2004 NFL Draft. At Miami, he volunteered in the football office’s recruiting department. Wolf is a 2000 high school graduate of Green Bay’s Notre Dame Academy.

Born March 21, 1982, in Oakland, Calif., the recently married Wolf and his wife, Regan, reside in De Pere, Wis.

http://www.packers.com/team/st...b5-8d85-11e979ac48b3

 

 

He probably got a beer from the fridge for his dad.

Change #1: Demote Adams

 

Rodgers has a Davante Adams problem

Just curious to see which NFC team is the "model franchise" for all of you???

 

In the AFC, clearly the Patriots...although between their 2004 Super Bowl win and last year the Patriots didn't make the playoffs once, lost in the wildcard once, lost in the divisonal playoffs twice, lost in the conference championship three times, and lost in the Super Bowl twice

What a bunch of losers!

Just curious, which NFC team has had Hall of Famers at QB since 2005 (when TT took over) as Green Bay has had in Favre & Rodgers?

To come out and say, Ted Thompson and Mike Mc Carthy don't know a from a bullfrog's a$$ about what they are doing is pure crazy. TT's m o has work very well in Green Bay, sure hes passed on some vets, but its worked very well here. Now MM is a very good offensive minded coach and qb coach. And the offence has been a great success. But with MM, theres lays the Problem, with all that success, MM simple refuse to see where he made a mistake. In both, tinkering with the offence, and allowing Clements to keep on calling the plays. Last nites game could be a water shed game where TT comes from up stairs and tell MM to make changes. At least that's what I hope will happen!!!!!

Who was the GM that  picked Rodgers?  (when he already had a Hall of Famer QB with years left to play on the roster)

bandit, I know Thompson has had a lot of success in terms of winning seasons, and with selecting some star players, managing our cap, and keeping a sound grasp on the types of people he adds to his roster, but, isn't it fair to question whether his system has, in fact, "worked very well?"

 

I see we are four years removed from wining SB XLV, with a team that has come up short in each of those 4 years, including this one, with a 2-time MVP QB who looks to be regressing. We've had personnel issues at key positions that go unaddressed for years. We've had coaching issues that seem to go unchecked, every year.

 

Who is running this show? Isn't it fair to ask if this is really working?

 

2014 - Bounced from Conference Championship in a ****storm of ineptitude by SEA.

2013 - Bounced out of the first round Wild Card, at home against SF.

2012 - Bounced out of the Division Round by SF.

2011 - Bounced out of the Division Round, at home against NYG.

 

I'm not seeing it. Now, this year, we look to have **** the bed pretty badly, and our test doesn't get any easier the rest of the way out. We will be lucky to even make the playoffs.

 

Sure, there is a lot of good that we've experienced as fans of this team, but is it resulting in true "success?" McCarthy is a great teacher of QBs, and a good offensive mind in the game. But, the lapses we have seen over and over again should make fans pause and consider what we are really playing for. Are we showing up ready to win Championships? Or, are we just looking to have winning seasons? How much more time do we have with Aaron Rodgers in a position where he can lead this team to another SB? How many more years are we going to waste with this opportunity? Letting these same mistakes continue unchecked?

Came from the loins of Ron Wolf, and we all know how brilliant Ron Wolf's loins are at picking personnel.

Ah, nepotism.

At least Ron Wolf is not some loser who only won a single Super Bowl like TT.

Maybe if our players committed themselves to playing the football game instead of their Playstations...

 

http://www.si.com/extra-mustar...ames-players-meeting

 

Unbelievable.

Sadly, nothing significant will change this year. They will "not panic" and "stick to the plan".

Not sure Thompson is the problem.   I know he annoys the piss out of fans by not breaking the bank on free agents, but he's been good at selecting players.

I do think MM has an Achilles heal with his own coaches.  Given his loyalty - I think he gives them too much leeway.

any thoughts on why we looked pretty darn good in the first 6 games but so f'ing terrible now?

 

I don't really but one thing I think I noticed was a bunch of big plays and scores off of the offsides and too many men penalties but now for some inexplicable reason (at least for me) the refs are stopping those plays.  Even hear the announcers mention it like "whaaa?!?!?"  but that is not a recipe for success regardless.  Just something that might have contributed to the success and is gone now.

 

TT is not the problem but there are plenty of positions that need to be upgraded.  He needs to be better than ever, the future is now.

That will help immensely 

I remember reading somewhere or hearing on a game broadcast early in the season that teams were starting to complain to NFLFU HQ about how many free plays and big shot plays therefrom the Packers and Rodgers were getting.

 

Pretty obvious to me the past couple of weeks that the zebras are going out of their way to whistle the play dead ASAP as opposed to what we were seeing in previous years and earlier this season. I think this cost us two TDs last night (Jones and Cobb).

Thompson put enough talent on the field for this team to be 9-2 or 10-1 now. The only reason they are not is due to coaching. Of course, unless the Packers finish 8-8 or 7-9, there's no way in hell Mike McCarthy is going to lose his job. Even if he did go 0-5 or 1-4 to close the season, I'd still like his odds to keep his job. That's one fault we can pick out from Ted Thompson. This "stay the course" mentality.

 

The best we can hope for is Dom Capers being offered up as a scapegoat (he sucks, but these problems start with McCarthy). It won't amount to anything, since it's highly unlikely a Vic Fangio level DC would come to work for Mike McCarthy. We'll probably just get another garbage DC to fill out a garbage coaching staff.

TT selected Rodgers. Outstanding selection. Best draft pick since Tom Brady went in the 6th round. 

 

Question was, however, which NFC team, besides Green Bay, has had Hall of Famers playing QB for it every year since 2005 (when TT took over)?  

I don't think there are model franchises.  Patriots, Packers and Steelers come close but they're just teams that have HOF caliber QBs.  Saints and Colts were the "model" with Brees and Manning but as soon as their play declined (Brees) or they left (Manning), all of a sudden those franchises aren't the "model" anymore.  

 

I like how TT has built this team and how MM has run it.  But this year has ben different and needs to be fixed.  Not sure how but hopefully they get it.  I hate wasting a year of Rodgers' prime

I think you mean another year of his prime, by the way, those years are getting less and less.

I'll play your game.  None.  What does that have to do with my question?  

 

That's a fallacy..  When we have avg QB play we lose to the worst teams in the league at home.  Our talent level, outside of QB, is just bad.   The reason its hard to see is because its been masked by historically amazing QB play.

You're right.  Clay Matthews, Jordy Nelson, Josh Sitton, Sam Shields..suckage.

Surrounded by a bunch of hot garbage.   

As others have noted, there are no MODEL FRANCHISES, but there are franchises that have more success than others and virtually all of them have had top-flight QBs.

 

NE has won 4 Super Bowls with Brady (1 during TT's tenure in GB and lost 2 others). Pitt has won 2 Super Bowls with Roethlisberger (and thankfully lost another). The Giants have won 2 Super Bowls with Eli Manning. Seattle has been to 2 Super Bowls and won 1 with Wilson (though many do not believe Russell is a top tier QB). Baltimore has won 1 with Flacco. New Orleans has won 1 with Brees. The Colts with Manning were the other team to win 1 since TT took over (and got to and lost another).

 

I would think that as the lone NFC team with sure fire Hall of Famers starting at QB every year since 2005 (unless one thinks Eli is HOF worthy), it should not be too much to want more than 1 Super Bowl appearance. But I realize this is subjective view.

 

I will say that ARod's time in Green Bay is starting to mirror Peyton's time in Indy with good to dominant regular seasons followed by playoff disappointment.

 

If Favre hadn't played like absolute crap in the 2008 NFC championship there would have been another Super Bowl appearance.  And then there is the melt down last year.  So, two more realistic Super Bowl appearances for a total of three possible since your measuring stick of 2005

The sanctification of Saint Ted blinds too many.

The Pats would have embarrassed that 2007 team . The Giants, with a 6 man rotation at pass rush, were the only team with a chance.