Henry posted:

A lot of strawmen in that argument.  Not even sure how Rothliesburger being a pile of shit works into Brown not being a cancer in Green Bay.

I'd prefer the new coach to shake things up.

Fair point on the Big Ben-Brown dynamic.

The main point is that I think the reward greatly outweighs the risk, and the worst case scenario is that he does become a cancer and you cut him. I wouldn't sign him as a free agent for a 90 million in guaranteed money (a Khalil Mack type contract) because then you are stuck and can't cut him. But to get a Hall of Fame receiver near his prime for a third round pick and a 12 million dollar cap hit if it doesn't work out is worth it.

My issue is taking away resources from building a defense and oline.  Brown isn't going to be worth the contract if Rodgers is getting murdered behind guys like McCray.

Agree on the oline... but a tandem of Brown and Adams would be ridiculous.  

You would need a good stock of kleenex for Brown because Adams is number one.

GBFanForLife posted:

You would need a good stock of kleenex for Brown because Adams is number one.

for masturbating?  

Ironic that the penultimate "players coach" Mike Tomlin is having trouble getting two of the best players in the league to play for his team.  Not saying its his fault, but Leveon Bell and Antonio Brown are arguably two of the best at their respective positions and they want out....must be pissing off Steeler fans to the highest degree.  

Steelers are going to get hurt on the cap hit if they unload AB, whether its before March 17th or after. 

A lot of posters here didn't want to pull the trigger on Mack last year. Draft picks were too important. I wanted Mack at any cost. We all know how that turned out! If Brown could be had for a reasonable amount you do it. As been stated, if he flames out you cut him. If you want the Superb Owl you have to take some chances.

A player that disrespects his coaches, teammates, and owner? No, thanks.

Way too much downside to overcome any potential benefit of bringing in a huge asshole like Brown. 
T.O. was a great talent, too, and we managed just fine without him.

McCarthy wouldn't have known how to use Mack.

I don't think the Packers win the championship without Andre Rison.  Then again, leaving practice and not showing up for the next one is serious stuff.

I wonder how Brown would react if the Packers talked things over with him and said, "We'd love to have you, but if you pull that crap here, we'll ship you out faster than a New York second."

One other thing.  I am too lazy to do the cap stuff.  That said, I still remain more concerned with o-line.

Wilkerson wants to re-sign with the Packers: 

Henry posted:

My issue is taking away resources from building a defense and oline.  Brown isn't going to be worth the contract if Rodgers is getting murdered behind guys like McCray.

Agreed. You at least need competent OL. No more Spriggs and McCray.

The reason to look at Brown is that you get him without having go pay out a massive guaranteed signing bonus. 20-25 million a year for Brown takes too many resources away. 12 million is a lot more doable.

DH13 posted:

Twitter isn't just for social media.  You can follow pretty much any news source in existence.  It's how I keep up on trade (my job) news and other interests.  And there are a handful of really smart and or funny people I follow.  I never write anything.

If you're a passing game nerd, look up 'receiver school' on twitter.  Fascinating breakdown of route running.  I think they also have a 'quarterback school'.

I originally liked Twitter as a good, specific news feed but it over the top idiocy would always bleed into it.  Plus, I'm me so that's never a good combo.  Social media is pure pavlovian conditioning IMO.  Add some features to keep the morons off the feed and I'm good.  Plus, Neera Tanden is an anti-democratic POS.  If you didn't know that, she's POS and now you know. 

Point me out to some good foosball and gif feeds and maybe I'd reconsider.

MichiganPacker posted:

Henry posted:

My issue is taking away resources from building a defense and oline.  Brown isn't going to be worth the contract if Rodgers is getting murdered behind guys like McCray.

Agreed. You at least need competent OL. No more Spriggs and McCray.

The reason to look at Brown is that you get him without having go pay out a massive guaranteed signing bonus. 20-25 million a year for Brown takes too many resources away. 12 million is a lot more doable.

Yeah, a reasonable consideration.  Unfortunately, this. 

That seals it as a No for me. New contract? Forget it.

Henry posted:

MichiganPacker posted:

Henry posted:

My issue is taking away resources from building a defense and oline.  Brown isn't going to be worth the contract if Rodgers is getting murdered behind guys like McCray.

Agreed. You at least need competent OL. No more Spriggs and McCray.

The reason to look at Brown is that you get him without having go pay out a massive guaranteed signing bonus. 20-25 million a year for Brown takes too many resources away. 12 million is a lot more doable.

Yeah, a reasonable consideration.  Unfortunately, this. 

Henry posted:

MichiganPacker posted:

Henry posted:

My issue is taking away resources from building a defense and oline.  Brown isn't going to be worth the contract if Rodgers is getting murdered behind guys like McCray.

Agreed. You at least need competent OL. No more Spriggs and McCray.

The reason to look at Brown is that you get him without having go pay out a massive guaranteed signing bonus. 20-25 million a year for Brown takes too many resources away. 12 million is a lot more doable.

Yeah, a reasonable consideration.  Unfortunately, this. 

DH13 posted:

Twitter isn't just for social media.  You can follow pretty much any news source in existence.  It's how I keep up on trade (my job) news and other interests.  And there are a handful of really smart and or funny people I follow.  I never write anything.

If you're a passing game nerd, look up 'receiver school' on twitter.  Fascinating breakdown of route running.  I think they also have a 'quarterback school'.

I kind of do the same with twitter.  I never tweet anything out but I do follow things I am interested in on it and for me in my line of work there are some useful things I follow that help me.  

But, then there is the evil side of me that gets a huge kick out of the true idiots who tweet.  The buffoonery on twitter makes me shake my head and laugh at the same time. I swear we are not far off from being the society that was shown in the movie Idiocracy.  

Twitter is worth the price of admission for this alone:

kid launch

That is staged.  The kid is offset from the old man and looking behind him (at the lady in waiting).  And lady is waiting off camera to catch him.  That's what I think anyway.  But it is fun to look at.

Twitter is great because you can follow random shit like former Bengals WR Chad Johnson telling Devante Adams today he could cover Adams 1 on 1 because he’s studied DBs and then Adams clowning Chad that young men in the league can’t cover him but his tired old ass thinks he can stay with him because he has vet smarts. 

My goodness. Adams against Chad Johnson is nothing Chad Johnson ever wants to ever actually happen. 

LMAO....Chad "Ocho Cinco" Johnson = Charles Woodson now.

mrtundra posted:

Wilkerson wants to re-sign with the Packers: 

https://nfltraderumors.co/muha...igning-with-packers/

 

His injury was a bad one. I have my doubts that at his age he could really recover and play well enough to justify a large contract. Perhaps a one year deal..maybe. I expect the medical staff would have to check him out well before we sign him again.

https://www.acmepackingcompany...afety-pff-projection

Please please please please PLEEEEEEEZE!

That would be one interesting development. 

Boris posted:

https://www.acmepackingcompany...afety-pff-projection

Please please please please PLEEEEEEEZE!

Yes, that would sure shore up the back end of the defense, 

With our luck he’d blow out a knee signing the contract. 

If that happened, would he get to keep his signing bonus???

PackLandVA posted:

If that happened, would he get to keep his signing bonus???

Only if it was 300K

PackerPatrick posted:

Boris posted:

https://www.acmepackingcompany...afety-pff-projection

Please please please please PLEEEEEEEZE!

Yes, that would sure shore up the back end of the defense, 

If we sign him or Landon Collins in FA, then we can forget about going after the Safety from Alabama early in the draft and can concentrate on O Line, Pass Rush or BPA at #12 and #30. 

I'd be cautious with Thomas.    I think he's going to want a monster contract.  Do we spend the money on him and hope that he produces until he's 35?  

I wouldn't do more than 3/$12mm, and he'll probably get more than that.

New York Giants need a QB, we need a safety,   maybe we could dangle  Deshone Kizer for Landon Collins ?   Collins is only 25 years old.

Dangle is pretty much the right word there.

Only Forrest Gump would make that trade, and he taught Jenny how to dangle.

Kizer is a QB?

I thought it might be to good to be true. maybe we could sweeten the deal with a pair of  ex coaches ?

Interesting group of non-stars that could fit in GB.  The OLB from WAS looks good for Pettine's D.

Packerswire Underradar FA's

Smith, who just turned 26 years old a few weeks ago, has 24.5 career sacks in just four seasons. But maybe the most attractive aspect of Smith’s game is his reliability. He’s never missed a game in his pro career, playing in all 16 games in each of his four seasons.

But it’s not just rushing the passer for which Smith offers value. The 6-6, 255-pounder is excellent in the run game. He finished as PFF’s No. 23 run stopper among qualified edge defenders and was the No. 19 overall edge defender.

Landon cleans out locker

Come to Green Bay Landon......

And Bell won't get tagged. 

Crazy money season just a little more than 3 weeks away.

What about Vicarro? He should come much cheaper.

I don't care who it is just as long as it upgrades the defense. 

Ha Ha is a free agent. 

PackerHawk posted:

Ha Ha is a free agent. 

And I anticipate he'll stay free for a few months.

Agree.

Unless it's some out of touch owner who is clueless, too much tape is on Ha Ha. And it ain't good.

The name finally pegs the irony meter.

I saw one projection of Dix going to LA to replace Lamarcus Joyner.  Seems about an even trade off to me. 

packerboi posted:

Agree.

Unless it's some out of touch owner who is clueless, too much tape is on Ha Ha. And it ain't good.

But...but...he was an All-Pro. 

I expected HHCD to be done with football after this past season.
Judging by his play, his head is anywhere but on football, and I don't know how he could expect to play like that for another 2-3 years.
I think we all know teams who have to put a warm body out there just to have enough players on the field, but given a choice, I'd opt for the warm body over HH.

Warm body - at a substantially lower price tag too.

"I am not about to risk major injury or displace this property for a collection of stiffs!"

Sincerely,

Roger Dorn

Too funny - I just watched that movie last week on a flight to LA 

“I thought you said we didn’t have any high priced talent on this team.” 

“Forget about Dorn he’s just high priced” 

lol 

Silverstein: Who should stay, who should go as Packers look to upgrade their roster

Tom's view on the roster moves he thinks need to be made. Team is paying the price for the mistake of drafting Spriggs but sticking with him just compounds the error.