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@PackerHawk posted:

If you have a redraft of 2019 both of these guys are gone in the first 15 picks. Maybe 10.

They might even go top 5 since it looks like a pretty poor draft for QBs. Kyler Murray at #1 looks OK so far, even though he's got an RG3 vibe to him (great dual-threat guy that once he gets dinged up isn't going to be an elite pocket passer). Daniel Jones at #5 overall. Dwayne Haskins at #15 and Drew Lock at #42 were all taken before Jenkins and Metcalf. Once you get by the fact there is probably only good QB in this draft, the only other guy that would probably still get chosen before them is Nick Bosa (#2 overall). A lot of other solid players, the LB from Tampa Bay that dominated us (Devin White at #7 overall), a couple of guys with double-digit career sacks (Josh Allen and Brian Burns), and Darnell Savage is tied for most interceptions so far from the draft. However, no real obvious superstars. In 20 years, it's likely that Metcalf and Jenkins are 2 of the 3 most likely HOF candidates from this draft class (assuming Nick Bosa gets healthy).

@pkr_north posted:

life in the nfl without a competent qb is hell.  hard game to watch when the qb is struggling...nobody is helping him with all those drops, I had to stop watching...this could be life after AR, chew on that for a bit. iww, no thanks.

We got a glimpse of it a few times over the last decade: Brett Hundley, Kizer, Seneca Wallace, Scott Tolzein.

I remember watching the first games Rodgers missed in 2013 and thinking the ball was moving in slow motion when it was in the air on passes compared to what I was used to seeing in Packers games.

It's been 29 years. We'll see if Jordan Love can come remotely close to maintaining this string in 2-3 years.

Going into last night, Wentz had been hit 99 times already this season.

We often forget that these guys are human and even some of the toughest guys can get a football equivalent of PTSD (not equating it to actual combat but it can cause some problems in the field) by getting hit over and over like this. It happened to David Carr most recently (the number 1 overall pick in 2002). Kurt Warner went through about a 5 year period starting with the end of his time with the Rams where he was awful because Martz' offense was predicated on getting as many guys out on routes as possible while leaving the QB to absorb some brutal hits by design.

Wentz has also had a lot of injuries so far in his career.  That’s a function of how he plays and how many hits he’s absorbed.   He’s been living on borrowed time and will continue to do so IMO.   You can only get knocked down or drilled so many times before it takes its toll.  

As for the 2019 draft, I agree that Jenkins and Metcalf were stud players but holy crap take a look at some other guys in and around those picks.  Marquise Brown at 25.  Deebo Samuel at 36.  AJ (freaking) Brown at 51.  Mecole Hardman at 56.  Dionte Johnson at 66.   I mean, all of them could have gone R1 based on their performance.

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We often forget that these guys are human and even some of the toughest guys can get a football equivalent of PTSD (not equating it to actual combat but it can cause some problems in the field) by getting hit over and over like this. It happened to David Carr most recently (the number 1 overall pick in 2002). Kurt Warner went through about a 5 year period starting with the end of his time with the Rams where he was awful because Martz' offense was predicated on getting as many guys out on routes as possible while leaving the QB to absorb some brutal hits by design.

PTSD is not exclusively tied to combat. It is an issue with personal trauma. Rape victims suffer tremendously from PTSD.

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