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Passing

2014

Player 

Cmp

Att

Cmp%

Yds

TD

TD%

Int

Lng

Y/A

Y/C

Y/G

Rate

Sk%

Aaron Rodgers

341

520

65.6

4381

38

7.3

5

80

8.4

12.8

273.8

112.2

5.1

2016

Player 

Cmp

Att

Cmp%

Yds

TD

TD%

Int

Lng

Y/A

Y/C

Y/G

Rate

Sk%

Aaron Rodgers

233

369

63.1

2410

22

6.0

7

58

6.5

10.3

267.8

93.9

5.6

Not a huge dropoff, TD% is lower and Yards/Attempt is lower. INTs are up, telling me he's forcing the ball more or someone else is fukking up. There have been a couple tipped passes that have been picked which aren'this fault. 

Rushing

2014

Player

Att

Yds

TD

Lng

Y/A

Y/G

Fmb

Eddie Lacy

246

1139

9

44

4.6

71.2

3

James Starks

85

333

2

41

3.9

20.8

1

Aaron Rodgers*+

43

269

2

19

6.3

16.8

12

2016

Player 

Att

Yds

TD

Lng

Y/A

Y/G

Fmb

Eddie Lacy

71

360

0

31

5.1

72.0

0

Aaron Rodgers

37

226

3

23

6.1

25.1

6

James Starks

31

75

0

11

2.4

15.0

1

Ty Montgomery

24

128

0

30

5.3

16.0

2

 

Not having Lacy is obviously the huge difference here. He was running well before the injury, got his fumbles down. Starks has been dreadful, we are lucky Monty has been in play because RB has otherwise been a disaster since Lacy went down. It's telling that Lacy hasn't played in 4 weeks and he's still the leading rusher. Also I didn't realize how much ARod fumbles! 

 

 

 

Receiving

2014

Player

Pos

Tgt

Rec

Yds

Y/R

TD

Lng

R/G

Y/G

Ctch%

Fmb

Jordy Nelson*

WR

151

98

1519

15.5

13

80

6.1

94.9

64.9%

0

Randall Cobb*

WR

127

91

1287

14.1

12

70

5.7

80.4

71.7%

4

Davante Adams

WR

66

38

446

11.7

3

45

2.4

27.9

57.6%

0

Eddie Lacy

RB

55

42

427

10.2

4

67

2.6

26.7

76.4%

3

Andrew Quarless

TE

46

29

323

11.1

3

34

1.8

20.2

63.0%

0

Richard Rodgers

TE

30

20

225

11.3

2

43

1.3

14.1

66.7%

0

James Starks

RB

29

18

140

7.8

0

28

1.1

8.8

62.1%

1

2016

Player 

Pos

Tgt

Rec

Yds

Y/R

TD

Lng

R/G

Y/G

Ctch%

Fmb

Jordy Nelson

WR

91

50

635

12.7

8

58

5.6

70.6

54.9%

1

Davante Adams

WR

74

50

621

12.4

6

46

5.6

69.0

67.6%

2

Randall Cobb

WR

65

45

433

9.6

3

33

5.6

54.1

69.2%

0

Ty Montgomery

WR

30

25

213

8.5

0

18

3.1

26.6

83.3%

2

Richard Rodgers

TE

34

19

175

9.2

1

22

2.1

19.4

55.9%

0

Right away we are seeing a YUGE dropoff in yards/catch and long plays.  We had 4 players with longs of over 50 yards in 2014, this year only 1. Getting nothing from the TE position, which is obvious. 

What's the difference overall between 2014 and 2016? Less explosive offense, more turnovers, more points allowed by the D. 

 

Last edited by Grave Digger

Health and balance. McCarthy is real good when he has all his tools. Might be because of his we do what we do mentality/stubbornness, or it might be he can't be or isn't as innovative as he needs to be.

2 years ago they didn't have a real threat at TE, but they were fairly loaded at WR and Lacy was near the top of his game, so that balanced things.

Getting Cook back will help, but only if they can also get something from Starks and Michael.

The defense is really struggling, and a potent offense with some early leads would help.





I expect none of this to happen though.

I think score is really the stat that correlates highest to the outcome of any football game. 

But seriously I think 20/25 is the magic combination for success. You know you truly have a good D when you're allowing fewer than 20 ppg. Yards, ratings, TOP, none of it means anything if you're allowing more than 20 ppg. Truly successful offenses easily score more than 25 points, but if you're scoring fewer than 25 then you know something is amiss.

Right now GB is scoring 24.8 and allowing 26. Neither phase is working. 

Grave Digger posted:

I think score is really the stat that correlates highest to the outcome of any football game. 

But seriously I think 20/25 is the magic combination for success. You know you truly have a good D when you're allowing fewer than 20 ppg. Yards, ratings, TOP, none of it means anything if you're allowing more than 20 ppg. Truly successful offenses easily score more than 25 points, but if you're scoring fewer than 25 then you know something is amiss.

Right now GB is scoring 24.8 and allowing 26. Neither phase is working. 

I know, pts. are the only thing that really matter, however I find it pretty amazing that if a team wins those two stats; 1) Which team won the turn over battle 2) Which team had a higher "average yards per pass attempt",  they win the game over 90% of the time. We can talk about all the other stuff but if; 1) Our defense was forcing more turnovers 2) Our offense was making more big plays in the passing game, we would not be in the situation we are in.  I think last year we were 7-0 when this happened. This year we've only won both stats twice, Bears & Lions games. 

I think you're right, but they truly go hand in hand and you really don't need to look deeper than points per game. Turnovers/yard per attempt really go hand in hand with PPG. If you're taking the ball away a lot then you're probably not allowing many points and if you're not giving it away and you're moving the ball well then it's likely that you're scoring points. You can drill down on some deep stats, but PPG is a good surface level indicator of how things are going. 

McCarthy has been talking about running the football since the day he got here. He gets a guy like Lacy and doesn't use him when it makes the most sense. Now they are without Lacy and while Michael could be a great story, does anyone believe McCarthy will call more run plays? Especially in the 2nd half of games when they need to dictate the flow?

Hungry5 posted:

McCarthy has been talking about running the football since the day he got here. He gets a guy like Lacy and doesn't use him when it makes the most sense. Now they are without Lacy and while Michael could be a great story, does anyone believe McCarthy will call more run plays? Especially in the 2nd half of games when they need to dictate the flow?

Lacy was drafted in 2013

In 2013, 2014 and 2015, the Packers were the number 12 team in the entire league in rushing attempts per game. You can look it up

https://www.teamrankings.com/n...game?date=2015-02-01

They were also in the top half of the league in  rushing play percentage, meaning that despite the presence of a HOF QB changing plays at the LOS, the Packers were committed to running the ball, coming in as a top 10 team in 2014. 

The song remains the same:

The Packers attempt more runs than the NFL average

The Packers running percentage is higher than the NFL average

I'm certain we can find any number of specific examples where we would have done things differently, but we don't have all the info needed to make that decision.

In the Beefalo game you cited, the Packers ran the ball 24 times for 158 yards and a TD, but at that point they were down 19-10 with less than 5 minutes remaining and needed to score twice, quickly.

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