2014 Pre WK1 Green Bay @ Tennessee Game Thread

You would think a guy like Tolzien would benefit from offseason work and he seemed a lot better yesterday.   Hopefully they can continue to develop the guy because Flynn has a ceiling and it's nothing special

Crosbys pad level was tremendous.

#stackedsuccess

Until tolzien proves he can do what Flynn did at Dallas last season, Flynn gets the nod in my book.

Keep Flynn around for this season.  There may be games he is the 3rd QB and would only play if  and Tolzien go down.  Very cheap insurance.  With another year under his belt Tolzien would make Flynn expendable next year. 

McGinn with an in-depth post-game review

 

Includes comments on Tretter, Sherrod, Perry, HHCD and others

 

http://www.jsonline.com/sports...181z1-270705291.html

 

"The loss of Don Barclay on Tuesday to a season-ending knee injury reduced the number of offensive linemen that the Green Bay Packers knew could play to four.

Center JC Tretter and tackle Derek Sherrod supplied enough evidence Saturday night in the exhibition opener against the Tennessee Titans in Nashville for the Packers to be optimistic that number actually is six."

 

Lots more after the click

 

 

And here is Erik Baranczyk of Packernews with his post -game comments

 

 

http://www.packersnews.com/sto...ason-debut/13874441/

 

"The guy on offense who jumped off the screen was rookie tight end Richard Rodgers. This guy can block. He's a big man, 270 pounds, and is an old-school tight end like Mark Chmura or Mark Bavaro. They're big, strong guys who will get their nose dirty as blockers and also catch the ball. Not only that, but Rodgers can make a play after the catch. Sometimes those big tight ends can only catch the ball and fall down."

 

Lots more in the article

"because Flynn has a ceiling and it's nothing special"

 

How soon we forget.  The ceiling was pretty special a few years ago.  I don't see Z pulling this off.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...tyle-win-over-lions/

Seattle and Oakland both found out how "special" Flynn's ceiling was. He's a system guy who fits in well in GB but his lack of a legitimate NFL arm limits him.

If Flynn's ceiling is that he can come in off the street and lead the team to a pair of victories, keeping the team's playoff hopes alive, then I'm happy with that. 2-2 is better than 0-3-1.

Though it was only 2 plays I saw, he did a nice job on a shallow out to the sideline and then on Starks' TD run, finding a guy at the second level to spring him the final 5 yards.  

 

Bostick flashed some too in the passing game.

This.  Tolzien almost ended the Packers season.  Flynn saved it.  If Rodgers goes out for the year, yeah, the season is over and may as well play a guy like Tolzien.  But if Rodgers is only out for a handful of games, Flynn gives them the best chance until Rodgers is back.  

 

I think they keep 3 QBs.  Sucks, but you neither Flynn nor Tolzien gives you the two things you want in an ideal backup: ability to be successful on the field now and a chance to develop into more in the future.  May come at the cost of a 6th WR or 4th TE.  

Might just keep 1 QB. Re-sign Flynn on Sept. 3rd after anyone goes down with a hangnail.

You're probably right Boris.  No need to guarantee salaries for both Tolzien and Flynn.  That means Tolzien sticks b/c Flynn ain't getting signed to an active roster with his poor track record away from Green Bay (Seattle, Oakland, Buffalo) and lack of upside.  Tolzien has upside so would not be surprising if a team with an unsettled QB future would take a flier on him as a #3 QB.  

 

Isn't it crazy to think some fans were calling for Flynn to be franchised after 2011?  $10m+ for Flynn.......just let that sink in.  

Yeah, but that 0-3-1 may be capable of so much more than 2-2. Last year was far from ideal for either guy. Let the pre-season decide the winner for us. I think lots of people missed Boris' awesome point. If we cut Flynn he will still be available if Tolzien proves he can't cut it. No one else wants Flynn.

Better angle here:

 

pro football focus say:

 

 

 

 

I still don't understand why you think Flynn won't be able to get work elsewhere? Again if Ryan Fitzpatrick and Charlie Whitehurst keep finding work then I guarantee Flynn can. I think Flynn and Tolzien could find work elsewhere as a backup, they both have something to offer. The fact is though, those guys are a dime a dozen. Just because some team signs Tolzien doesn't mean we've lost some unique prospect, we can find another Scott Tolzien and another Matt Flynn. There will also be a competent journeyman QB available to back up Rodgers.

He's been through Buffalo, Seattle & Oakland. 3 teams that desperately needed QB's at the time & 2 of them still do.

 

He was on the street for how long before Green Bay finally picked him up? 2 weeks? 3 weeks?

 

He has value only to Green Bay. If Rodgers goes down, I could see one of our NFC North rivals picking him up just to keep him away from Green Bay, but that's it.

 

Flynn sucked everywhere else he went. The QB coaching god (MM) saved him. 

 

He's nothing other than a grocery bagger with a hot wife, without Green Bay.

 

Why would you keep THREE QB's when the 2 behind Rodgers aren't going to play anyway. 

 

Name 1 NFL team that would pick Flynn up & I'll shoot 'em all down. At least Tolzein has some arm strength that other teams can work with. 

 

Flynn is what he is....a system QB that needs a lot of pieces around him to succeed in the NFL. This isn't LSU anymore

They should keep Tolzien. This isn't last year. He is going to get a whole training camp. Flynn should stay home with his wife and be available if the Packers call.

Personally, I'll take Flynn with a full camp in GB as the emergency backup over Tolzien. GB had to pluck him off the street last year after the QB debacle.

 

Tolzien has 3 chances to take the job away from Flynn. I don't think he's going to do it.

 

Boris, the reasons you mention why teams would stay away from Flynn are the same reasons they'd stay away from Tolzien (GB system). If I had to pick one guy though it would be the  guy that's done it before that's also been in camp all year.

 

Flynn outplayed Matt Ryan and Tony Romo his last two starts that helped save the season. It's easy to forget he threw 4 TD's and 1 INT for 300 yards against Dallas last year (and yeah, it's the worst D in football last year) But does Tolzien do that on the road week 15? Flynn's game was getting better with each start last year. 

 

Is he a great answer at backup? No. But he gives you a chance to win games if he's familiar with the offense. 

Not only that, but hanging Flynn's resume on "what he did against Dallas and Atlanta" which were historically terrible defenses, is higher praise than it likely deserves.

I get this, but do people remember Flynn was 10 for 20 for a buck 38, two fumbles and an INT against Detroit. 

 

The game against Dallas was epic, amazing, thrilling and something we'll not likely see again.  Flynn really was only great in the second half.  If all decisions about this season are going to be made on one half, then Mike isn't quite the evaluator I think he is. 

 

He may choose Flynn when it is all said and done (one preseason game folks), but I hope that decision is based off of better decision making (and a little bit on arm strength) this year.  In the end, both guys will never threaten to start games for another team based on merit. 

Jezzzzzzzzzus ****

 

I can't name a team that would pick up Flynn because every team has their starters and their backups right now. I think a team like Kansas City, if the need arises, would sign him to be a back up if something happened to Alex Smith or his backup. He is a system QB, he's a classic WCO QB whose capability will always be the short and intermediate passes. He wouldn't work with a guy like Norv Turner who favors a lot of downfield passing, but a pure WCO guy like Andy Reid or Kyle Shannahan I think Flynn would work fine. Don't forget that Tolzien was supposed to just be a practice squad guy who got elevated because of need. There weren't other options when Rodgers went down. Had Rodgers not been injured I seriously down Tolzien would have been elevated from the PS. And he came from San Fran's PS. He was supposed to be last years Chase Rettig.

Then again, Flynn doesn't have Tolzien's college background so...

Tretter was outstanding against their no 1's. First series we marched down the field and forget now if we even had one pass. Cut back lanes for our backs were really open. And lots of that was Tretter. Very optimistic about him.

If you're implying that Packer fans favor him over Flynn because he's a former Badger, let me stop you there.

 

Tolzien has an NFL caliber arm, Flynn doesn't. Flynn has the edge in familiarity with the offense over Tolzien right now. Once Tolzien gets more familiar with this offense, I think it's almost a certainty that he would be the better option. The question for me is if that will be a reality before the season starts. Which is why I think him getting more snaps is a good idea. It gives him needed experience, and gives more opportunity for the coaches to evaluate his progress. Flynn is a known commodity, and I think he's hit his ceiling.

 

It has nothing to do with homerism.

Like Boris said, Flynn was signed by Gb for Minimum for his tenure level.

All other teams had a chance to sign him and didnt.

I also belive it was a year contract without much if any money guaranteed. 

So yes I could see Flynn getting cut if Tolzien shows something in preseason as TT would not have to pay Flynn his salary guaranteed for the year if he is not on the opening day roster.Ted likes to save cash.

The NFL is a fluid situation with the injuries and all. Could Flynn become a favorable commodity if a starter goes down ? Sure could. But chances are he will not become a valuable commodity.
Best case  is Rodgers is healthy all year and Flynn is waiting by the phone. Packers winning and Ted saving coin and a roster spot for a unknown sensation that helps GB come home with another Lombardi trophy.

Tretter and Sherrod came out of the gates nicely and are running the race after some adversity.  Hopefully they will finish the race.

Wilde has said repeatedly that MM is adamant about keeping three QBs on the roster this year, after going through what he did in '13. Losing Barclay for the season may make that a bit more difficult, unfortunately.

Actually I was just busting balls. I was curious who would get riled up first!

Brady Quinn signs with Miami

 

If BQ can get a job in the NFL still in 2014, so can Flynn.

Hawk has a chance to sack his brother-in-law again!

Well, if he can sack anybody....

I know MM works together with TT, but TT has the final say in personnel. They haven't kept 3 QB's since 2008 & I don't see a reason to start now....and yeah I remember 2013.

 

They'll be cutting a player that can play in this league if they keep 3 QB's. Teams are lining up to get the Packers cuts.

 

Brady Quinn....LOL All I can say is, he was a 1st round pick & he doesn't have a roster spot yet. What next?? Tebow?

Yeah, but TT will listen to MM. Those two work so well together...to **** things up, right Yoop?

Scrub love.

No matter what they do, we are in better shape at backup QB. Neither one of these guys was on the roster at this time last year. We were giving up on Graham ****ing Harrell and bringing in Are You ****ing Kidding Me Vince Young around this time last year. Then we settled on You Gotta Be ****ting Me Seneca Wallace at the very end.

 

Keep either one of them (and the other one on speed dial) and we are still in better shape than 2013.

Hey, isn't time to switch over to RAMS week here at X4 ?

 

 

 

If you have anything worthwhile to say about the Rams game, go ahead and start a thread.