Clark has a lot to learn, but he seems to have pretty good hands and you can't teach height! PS for sure, and I hope we can keep him.
Tavis Smiley posted:Probably been said, but **** Rich Gannon and his commentary on GB games. Seriously.
He's worse than awful.
Lambeau Lobo posted:Callahan won't make it to the PS. We're going to have to keep 3 QBs or trade one.
Do you think they could get a third rounder for Taysom Hill after this performance? 
Fun game, not too many bad injuries really. We'll see about Broccoli and let's hope Randall isn't Shields part deux.
I really don't think we're going to miss Guion. I think we should have cut him sooner.
WR and ST specialist spots are going to be very hard to determine at this point.
AFA backup QB, Hundley has his hands full.
If the Eagles are really as talented as the 2010 Packers, then the 2017 Pack is going to be freakin' awesome.
Pedersen said the 2017 Eagles were as talented as the 96-97 Packers
Cavetoad posted:Tavis Smiley posted:Probably been said, but **** Rich Gannon and his commentary on GB games. Seriously.
He's worse than awful.
Ah, he's way better then the Buck and acheman......ugh. 
Don't know how it's going to shake out, but I enjoyed the experience.
I know it's way to early, but there were so many positives that I am excited to see how this all plays out. If some of these guys pan out, this team is going to have tremendous depth. The bad part of that is that other teams may pilfer our practice squad, but so be it. Can we possibly trade a guy or two? Hundley is the obvious one, of course, but maybe even another guy?
Every year we drool and boast about our depth and how other teams want our scraps. Then, later in the season, we cry about how injuries keep us from the promise land.
Im starting to think we over value our depth.
Several guys had good games; a handful didn't.
As a team, it was good to see actual blocking on returns (that weren't penalties!).
Coverage on ST's seemed decent.
Vogel had a good night punting. He had a clunker on the the first series, but punted great after that. He had to punt to short fields that may have hurt his gross/net averages, but put 5 of 6 inside the 20 and his net average will be close to 43.5 yards. Not too shabby.
Pass rush looked decent; only 1 sack but consistent pressure all night.
Defense still looks soft on the edges and short passes (<5 yards).
Williams looked good running the ball, but didn't go anywhere. 4 rush/14 yards.
Stanback didn't do anything, but OL didn't give him much of a chance.
Monty did less AND gave up a fumble. Not panicked but disappointed.
Really disappointed by Spriggs and Murphy. I thought both of them would be much better than they showed this game. Spriggs is the better player, but he is too inconsistent, and Murphy is the new Barclay.
Pankey had a poor game. He got smoked on the play that Callahan fumbled and it was his guy that caused it.
Janis had a good game, both at WR and on ST. His route and ankle breaker for his TD catch was a jaw-dropper!
McCaffrey had a good, if not great, game. LOTS of hustle and he can run a route!
Yancey played relatively well, excepting his fumble. Made a nice catch from Hill on the play immediately before the TD to Clark.
Mays made a nice play for a 1st down in the 4th qtr.
Ditto for Crockett.
If we can't find Clark a spot on the 53, I pray he can stay on the PS. He is a helluva end zone threat!
New whipping boy Gunter says . He had a great game and excellent hustle on ST; he was the one that got that peel-back block on Davis' PR for TD.
Thomas had a great game also.
Ditto for M. Evans. His INT that set up our last drive was SPECTACULAR!
I think Holmes had a pretty good game also.
Jones and King played decently. I think we know who they are at this point, and there's lots to work with.
Hawkins didn't have a good game overall. He's not a bad player and I think he's perfect depth, but he's NOT a starter. He got picked on which made him look like a booger (hah!), and he had decent coverage on his guy, but his limitations were exposed. He had a chance to make a stop on a 3rd down play but didn't make the tackle, and they converted.
Pringle missed a chance to make a great play on Philly's muffed return.
D Brown was wildly inconsistent. He also missed a chance for an INT.
Saving the best for last, our QBs.....it's extraordinary how the scouts find 'em, the GM signs 'em, and the coaches must coach the hell out of them! The Packers can just about provide a starting QB for the entire division, fer crissakes.
Hundley made a poor INT, but otherwise played well. He showed his smarts reading defenses, wasn't panicked, and made some good throws. The TD play to Janis! was a thing of beauty.
Callahan....what's not to love about the guy? He also reflects excellent coaching and makes many more good throws than bad. His scramble and throw on the run late in 3rd qtr was killer! Drawing the defense offsides ala' #12 was another good, smart play.
Even Hill was ready to play. He had 2 or 3 really good throws, including the TD to Clark. I didn't see any deer-in-the-headlights look from him. Thrilled for him that he got a TD!
The deciding factor for how good this team will be is our CBs. A lot of blitzing DBs last night was effective, but are our CBs going to be able to hold up if the rush doesn't get there?
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BrainDed posted:Every year we drool and boast about our depth and how other teams want our scraps. Then, later in the season, we cry about how injuries keep us from the promise land.
Im starting to think we over value our depth.
^^^THIS^^^
Packers certainly aren't loaded with depth. Other than TE, S and WR things are actually on the thin side. I do think other teams keep an eye on GB WRs during the preseason in case they become available. McCaffrey comes to mind. There's enough WR history in GB to justify it.
Depth on the OL is a concern. Spriggs was inconsistent again. So was Murphy. Throw in Barclays injury and it's not a super deep group.
it was a preseason game, but seeing Clay whiff on a sack allowing a drive to continue, and Burnett getting strong-armed out of tackle allowing a 1st down with the 1 defense made me wanna spit... and I did. these are the leaders of the defense - finish! the rest was just preseason but those two plays stuck in m' craw.
Tdog, I felt the same way. It's a totally meaningless pre-season game but watching Matthews, Burnett, and Rollins miss tackles on that first series put me in a foul mood. Combine that with some dropped passes, poor run blocking by the 1st string O-Line, a fumble by Montgomery, and a terrible first punt by Vogel made that 1st Quarter a disaster for the starters. It's nothing to jump off a bridge over, but let's just hope we don't have many starts to a game like that one in the regular season. Horrendous 1st Quarter.
Lots to clean up, but the pretty strong performance from the special teams was a bright spot. ST overall have been largely mediocre during MM's tenure and it'd be nice if that could change this year.
It's not great to see guys make dumb mistakes, but even veterans need to shake off the rust and get back into game mode. TC has been so watered down as far as contact goes I think these preseason games are the first real action they get.
On the Philly TD, it looked like King was overthinking. The route broke inside and he stutter stepped seemingly expecting it to break outside. The other long ball it looked like he expected help from Jones over the top, which isn't surprising because I noticed veteran guys had to do some pre-snap explaining to Jones about where to be during TC. That's normal stuff for rookies though. The positive is that both King and Jones played instinctive and aggressive with the ball in front of them. Those are two traits that will carry them far, they just need to get the book learnin' down.
I started watching the game late, and caught the tail end of the first half. I was hoping to see how Spriggs and Murphy looked and then just generally watch for standout players in the second half.
I know it's early, but first signs agree with Chilli that the overall depth is not there this year. We'll see as the preseason progresses, but OL and overall defensive depth particularly seems lacking. Hopefully Barclay is all right.
ChilliJon posted:Packers certainly aren't loaded with depth. Other than TE, S and WR things are actually on the thin side. I do think other teams keep an eye on GB WRs during the preseason in case they become available. McCaffrey comes to mind. There's enough WR history in GB to justify it.
Depth on the OL is a concern. Spriggs was inconsistent again. So was Murphy. Throw in Barclays injury and it's not a super deep group.
I didn't see the game. How did Evans and the oline in general fare? Murphy? What about the Canuck?
Spriggs isn't a G. He just isn't.
Yeah I was disappointed with the pressure that was getting to Hundley in Q2. As Chili said, Spriggs and Murphy had rough nights from what I saw. Spriggs got beat badly on an inside move from Derek Barnett, if I remember correctly that was the issue we saw with him last offseason. He's quick and can handle speed, but struggles with power and not getting overextended on the outside.
Someone pointed out Barnett bull rushed him the snap before so he was probably overcorrecting and Barnett took advantage. It looked bad.
I'm not too worried about the vets that looked rusty last night. You have to wonder how close to 100% their effort and "reckless abandon" is in first PS game, playing a series or two.
King struggles with quick moves off the line if he's not pressing, which one would expect from a long lanky guy like him. I'll keep beating the drum...secondary will take lumps in first half of season but should start coming around by late October when the rooks are better settled in. Hopefully the O hits its stride out of the gate and can provide a big enough cushion for the D to figure things out.
Henry posted:I didn't see the game. How did Evans and the oline in general fare? Murphy? What about the Canuck?
Spriggs isn't a G. He just isn't.
I thought the first team O-Line looked fine in terms of pass-blocking, but their run blocking was fairly poor. I didn't see who got beat and such, but I definitely felt like the Eagles were stuffing the runs way too easily. Then finally, Montgomery did get a little bit of a hole and he fumbled with a lot of Eagles surrounding him.
Spriggs at LT whiffed on a pass block that led to easy sack for Eagles 1st round pick. I didn't watch Murphy carefully but heard he did not have a good day. All in all, not a good day overall for offensive line play. At least the 1st team didn't look poor in pass protection, at least not that I recall.
Williams looks like he knows how to RTFB. Tiny sample but he looks the part. Bennett had one target for 13 yards. Looked like 5 midgets trying to bring down a giant after he caught it. I think it moved.
Not sure what to think of Yancey. Looks more like a plodder than an fluid WR. McCaffrey reminds me more of his dad instead of his brother. Not fast. Not an elite athlete. Good routes. Great hands. Doesn't look like he's a guy you can jam at the line either.
Spriggs needs to look better than he did last night. That was tough to watch.
And I'm sorry. But Michael Clark looks like there isn't a damn thing you can do to stop him on a fade route inside the 10. 6'6" with those long arms and a 33" vertical! Borderline unfair. Unfortunately it looks like that's about the only thing he knows how to do consistently right now. If he can stick on the PS for a year and polish everything else up he could be a weapon.
First PS game. Lots to clean up (tackling) but it is what it is. Early.
Henry posted:I didn't see the game.
What's your excuse?
Is the gonna be a replay of the game? I haven't even seen highlights yet I've been so busy
YOOPERPACKFAN, as you may know, none of the Packers four pre-season games will be shown live either on national TV or NFL Network. But all four will be replayed on NFL Network. Following is the schedule. Because it's been my experience they sometimes change it, I'd suggest double-checking it at this link: http://www.nfl.com/network/schedule FYI, you can see all these games live by signing up for NFL Game Pass: https://www.nfl.com/ways-to-watch
Philadelphia at Green Bay
Live: 8/10/17 @ 8:00 PM ET
Replay: NFL Network 8/11/17 @ 4:00 PM ET
Green Bay at Washington
Live: 8/19/17 @ 7:30 PM ET
Replay: NFL Network 8/20/17 @ 7:00 AM ET
Green Bay at Denver
Live: 8/26/17 @ 9:00 PM ET
Replay: NFL Network 8/27/17 @ 10:00 AM ET
Los Angeles Rams at Green Bay
Live: 8/31/17 @ 7:00 PM ET
Replay: NFL Network 9/2/17 @ 8:00 PM ET
DH13 posted:I'm not too worried about the vets that looked rusty last night. You have to wonder how close to 100% their effort and "reckless abandon" is in first PS game, playing a series or two.
Wassat?
Apart from King get burned on the TD, the secondary actually looked decent last night. Too bad Randall got concussed...I was really hoping we could see what he can do when he's healthy. Glad it was just that, TV folks seemed to be expecting a leg injury.
PS game 1 vs a pretty young PHI O. I wouldn't attach a whole lot of season predictioning on it. Our secondary will take hits early in the year unless our forever questionable pass rush somehow applies enough pressure to help them out on a consistent basis. But that's OK because AR and our O should have enough working parts even early on to provide some distance.
I agree on Williams. He didn't look as stiff as I remember him in his draft vids. A sure, decisive runner can make some hay in this offense where you have 2 legit blocking TE's and a FB that also provide threat as receivers. Really want to see more of Mays.
bvan posted:Henry posted:I didn't see the game.
What's your excuse?
24 hour rabies. It's going around.
It doesn't matter what bit him, it's who he now bites, duh! I mean, how do you think that stuff spreads? It's like viral Amway. ;-)
Just saw that TD from Hundley to Janis again on the replay showing..........it was a thing of beauty.
The good. Janis sold the double move very well.
The bad. Janis dropped an easy pitch and catch that Hundley put right on his hands on 3rd and 6 that would have gone for 10. Punt.
I don't think Janis will ever get to a point he's fully trusted as a WR in Green Bay.
ChilliJon posted:The good. Janis sold the double move very well.
The bad. Janis dropped an easy pitch and catch that Hundley put right on his hands on 3rd and 6 that would have gone for 10. Punt.
I don't think Janis will ever get to a point he's fully trusted as a WR in Green Bay.
Shoot, I kinda like him........
and Dupre should have died on that hit......ugh......that was nasty.