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There wasn't too much interesting stuff I saw today, it was pretty much the same as yesterday. Couple things that stuck out:

- HaHa had two nice picks against Rodgers. He seems to have taken over as the emotional leader of the team. Everyone seems to feed of his energy and enthusiasm. The picks he had were Rodgers fault, but they weren't easy grabs, he's show great range and ball skills. 

- Monty stuck out again as a receiver, guy is lightning quick. Kendricks also stuck out again. 

- Offense couldn't get much going, they had sporadic big plays and then a few bad plays. 

- Murphy was the first guy off the bench at RG, giving Evans a break with the #1 unit. They weren't rotating, I think they just wanted to give Murphy a look with the 1's. 

- Couple of bad collisions in non-padded practice: Janis and Marian Evans collided in midair, both got up slow. Jordy and I think Randall collided on another instance. Both got up slow but seemed fine after a minute. Scary though.

Rumor Mill: my cousin lives in the same neighborhood as Jordy and Nick Perry. She's two doors down form Perry, said he plays with his kids a lot (younger kids, under 5 she guessed) and seems like a really good dad. Her best friend is friends with Jordy's wife. The wife has apparently been telling friends this is his last year in GB. Apparently they're saying GB is planning to move on after this year and if so, Jordy will retire and move back to Kansas. He's not interested in going anywhere else, so if they decide to keep him he will play, otherwise he's retiring. TIFWIW. 

Grave Digger posted:

 

Rumor Mill: my cousin lives in the same neighborhood as Jordy and Nick Perry. She's two doors down form Perry, said he plays with his kids a lot (younger kids, under 5 she guessed) and seems like a really good dad. Her best friend is friends with Jordy's wife. The wife has apparently been telling friends this is his last year in GB. Apparently they're saying GB is planning to move on after this year and if so, Jordy will retire and move back to Kansas. He's not interested in going anywhere else, so if they decide to keep him he will play, otherwise he's retiring. TIFWIW. 

You did a good job of not owning that.....that said, Jordy does seem to love football and the passion he brought to rehab tells me he ain't hanging it up anytime soon.

I won't defend it, it's rumor among soccer moms, nothing more. I thought it was interesting to mention though because life after Jordy doesn't get talked about much. He's been such a constant on the team like Donald Driver was. On some level it makes sense...they drafted two WRs, Adams is up for a new, Jordy is 32. Maybe he's planning to retire regardless of what GB wants to do. We've seen several players retire prematurely the last couple of years, Jordy strikes me as a guy who would rather be with his wife and kids than try and extend his career to pile up money. He has a ring, he's made a sh*t load of money, he's set records (Packer records at least), what more does he have to prove?

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Couple thoughts from today:

- Coverage across the board was exceptional. Adams and Jordy made some highlight reel catches against very tight coverage. House, Rollins, Randall, Donatello Brown, Marwin Evans, Brice all made some really nice plays in coverage. I didn't notice Pringle specifically, the QBs struggled to find open targets. King was the only one I saw blow a coverage, but I think he just ran the wrong direction in Zone, looked like a rookie mistake. Marwin Evans had a couple good breakups and a nice INT against Hundley I believe. 

- New punter continues to boom punts. Guy was crushing them. Didn't see any problems as a holder, Crosby's miss was on him. He was kicking from the right hash and doinked it off the left upright. 

- Allison has had the best 3 days of any of the WRs. He's catching everything, easy catches and circus catches. I think he's cementing himself as the #4. 

- Trevor Davis has a rough day. Dropped a kick, a punt, and a pass and then got injured. The pass was especially frustrating because he was open down the seem and Rodgers hit him in the numbers with a laser...just dropped it. I'm guessing it was a concussion based on they treated him and how he was acting. They didn't look at arms or legs and he wasn't favoring anything. 

- Max McCaffrey was the go-to for the other QBs, he didn't get much time with Rodgers. Yancey made a nice grab and dropped one later. Dupre made a nice catch and then got popped by Josh Jones, almost started a fight. Bennett had a couple nice Red Zone grabs and Kendricks continues to impress, I don't think he's dropped a pass yet.

- Jamal Williams looked really good, he made some really nice cuts and showed good burst/speed. He and Ty were the top RBs, the other guys didn't do much. 

- A lot of penetration from the interior DL. The defense as a whole would have ended up with a bunch of sacks today if it weren't practice. Jayrone had an insane speed move where he bent the edge against Murphy and was almost horizontal. It was a sack for sure. 

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Grave Digger posted:

Couple thoughts from today:

- Adams and Jordy made some highlight reel catches against very tight coverage..... the QBs struggled to find open targets.

- Allison has had the best 3 days of any of the WRs. He's catching everything, easy catches and circus catches. I think he's cementing himself as the #4. 

hey thanks, GD.  Just Curious, both AR and Hundley had some trouble finding open receivers?  If the WR's were making great catches in tight coverage, does that mean the QB's were putting the ball where only the WR's could catch it?

This is probably a good poll question, but which of the following are Packer fans more likely to do in August:

a) Panic when the defense sucks in the pre-season games, or

b) Claim that Dom is just running a vanilla defense so as not to give away any tendencies (only to start panicking in September when the defense continues to suck)

Ha.  Good one, Fed.  I think most of us would choose   B

I think we were always hoping that there was a good explanation for sucking in the pre-season.  Then, as the season went on, we knew we were duped and the defense really was that bad.    So, if they suck on Defense in pre-season, I again will believe that Dom just doesn't want to show much in the exhibition season and is waiting for the "real" season to start.

Dom's Defensive Unit version of Groundhog's Day.

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Just to be clear I haven't been unimpressed with him overall, I just didn't think he moved as well as the other Safeties in drills. He's also dropped more passes in individual drills than any of the other Safeties. In team D and 11 on 11 he seems okay, he's been covering RBs and TEs. I haven't seen him stand out or suck. He is quick to the ball in run support and definitely had a few good pops in the first padded practice (yesterday). It's only been one padded practice so it's too soon to judge him IMO. 

GD,  I think you made a very valid point! Fans love big-fast powerful hitters but the same power and torque that make them great in the run game tend to make them exposable, by shifty smaller players- Just look at Seattle.   They prefer tall long players and play almost all zone to keep them from getting exposed.  The exception in their secondary,  Earl Thomas (Nick Collins II)  has been critical in protecting them from getting exposed!  Just view the Seahawks after his Dec departure!

The hope for Jones was/is that he has elite speed to help deep if he's on the field when that happens.  I haven't studied Earl Thomas's game to know his coverage skill - all I know is he has elite speed and he's a hitter.  Considering his overall success I'm guessing he's got decent coverage skills as well.  But if we're comparing young guys to him, I think Brice has shown more similarities...so far.

Dix has pretty good range for a safety but he will never be Earl Thomas nor will Jones.   

Thomas is probably the best coverage safety I've seen since our guy Nick Collins or Ed Reed in his heyday but those guys were all 5'11" 200-205 lb players.  Jones is probably 6'3" 215 and not nearly the athlete but honestly he doesn't need to be in order to be effective.

I see Dom running more schemes to get Burnett and Jones playing more hybrid S/LB roles.   Dix can sit back and patrol the middle.

 

Earl Thomas has a pretty well rounded game, he covers like a CB. So far Brice has shown he's a big hitter, not much else. I'm hopeful he develops further because that ultra aggressive attitude is hard to teach. Having a huge physical specimen like Josh Jones or Kam Chancellor is fantastic, but they have to have something between the ears. Beyond his physical skill Chancellor is a really smart and heady player. Jones has only had 3 practices and 1 in pads, so it's too soon to judge anything. If I had to predict though I'm betting is future will be at LB in a Thomas Davis type WLB role.

Pack88 posted:

GD,  I think you made a very valid point! Fans love big-fast powerful hitters but the same power and torque that make them great in the run game tend to make them exposable, by shifty smaller players- Just look at Seattle.   They prefer tall long players and play almost all zone to keep them from getting exposed.  The exception in their secondary,  Earl Thomas (Nick Collins II)  has been critical in protecting them from getting exposed!  Just view the Seahawks after his Dec departure!

This is what concerns me.  It's another hybrid player approach for a guy who might not fit press man coverage.  Jones to me is LB first and foremost.  

Honestly, it's a good pick but Dom better cement him into a position.  If you're going to use guys fluidly between S and LB, use Burnett.

FLPACKER posted:

Some of the beat writers have commented that with Brice & Jones, we have 2 guys who appear to love to hit, something we have not had a lot of in the Defensive backfield. Yes, fans may love big, powerful hitters, but WR's hate them, and that can mean a lot to a defense. 

WRs love guys who go for big hits and miss tackles.

Herschel posted:
FLPACKER posted:

Some of the beat writers have commented that with Brice & Jones, we have 2 guys who appear to love to hit, something we have not had a lot of in the Defensive backfield. Yes, fans may love big, powerful hitters, but WR's hate them, and that can mean a lot to a defense. 

WRs love guys who go for big hits and miss tackles.

I'll take a guy who misses a tackle here & there, but  can really lay the wood. Sets a tone for the defense & can bring some emotion to the group, which can elevate defensive play....at least that has been my experience.  

I don't think there's anything wrong with using a hybrid S/LB, when you have the right guy it's a very valuable position. Jones doesn't need to be forced in to one position or another, hopefully he's smart enough to understand his role and can execute it. Deone Buchanan and Kam Chancellor aren't successful because of their physical skill, theyre successful because they know how to use it and play their positions. We've seen a lot big, physical Safeties come from college the last few years and few have worked out. Everyone wants a Sean Taylor.

Grave Digger posted:

Earl Thomas has a pretty well rounded game, he covers like a CB. So far Brice has shown he's a big hitter, not much else.  

Not entirely true.  Brice is raw but he showed some coverage ability late last year too.  Fennel had some cut ups a while back.  Definitely a guy I'm watching in his 2nd year.  Like you said in other posts, it can take 2-3yrs for DB to mature.

Lay the wood safeties are dinosaurs in the current NFL. 

You have to be able to cover guys and that's why guys like Earl Thomas or Nick Collins or to a lesser extent Clinton-Dix are so important. 

Thomas is the LT of safeties in the modern era.  Chancellor gets a lot of pub but without Earl Thomas that secondary is pretty ordinary. 

We had that guy in Collins.  Just like Sterling Sharpe career cut short NFLFU 

Henry posted:

Obviously there's some cynicism here but outside of the D-line I just don't know what to make of this defense.  I'm excited to watch Kenny Clark.  Everything else is a wait and see proposition. 

This defense will live or die by the CBs in my opinion. The front 7 can stop the run and the Safeties are reliable IMO. The CBs have to be able to hold their own in Man and understand the gaps in Zone. If they don't then it doesn't matter who the DC is, we're screwed.

Grave Digger posted:

Deone Buchanan and Kam Chancellor aren't successful because of their physical skill, theyre successful because they know how to use it and play their positions. 

Agreed ...and they play on defenses that are generally assignment sure....stout active fronts, speedy playmaking LB's, and secondaries that can cover. Doesn't matter if you have a talented Swiss Army knife if your defense is prone to mental breakdowns, has position groups that have talent limitations or has sustained massive injuries, something that always seems to occur with Doms defense. 

That said, I'm hopeful that the defense is going to be much improved this season. Secondary should be light years better. 

michiganjoe posted:

I know they're rotating guys/combinations but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this is the way things shake out for the regular season, especially if they keep running the same defense they've been running with Thomas/Burnett as the "linebackers" and Randall ends up in the safety spot opposite Clinton-Dix. Of course Jones could take the Burnett "linebacker" spot with Morgan in the back end as well. 

I like Gunter, but his speed limitations will probably keep him out of the regular starting lineup. 

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Seems to be quite a bit of speculation along those lines and I agree. 

Best play of Packers' camp, Day 4: Rookie safety Josh Jones picked off his first pass of camp when he jumped a route in the flat by running back Devante Mays. Jones timed it perfectly to snag the Brett Hundley pass. It was a continuation of the kind of ball-hawking plays Jones showed during the non-padded practices of the spring. Jones, who has split his time between safety and linebacker, continues to show he's deserving of playing time. He also had another pass breakup and several QB pressure that may have led to sacks.

Rob Demovsky, ESPN Staff Writer

Jones appears to be a good one. DROY candidate?

Day 4 observations:

- Josh Jones INT was a nice play, happened right in front of us. There was a miscommunication between Hundley and Mays, Mays didn't turn when he was supposed to (5 yrd out route) and wasn't looking for the ball. Jones undercut him and picked it.

- Coverage overall looked good again, very tight and competitive. Routes are being disrupted and the QBs have seemed a little frustrated with what's available. 

- Punter was booming again. I think he had one tipped though, he may need to speed up his delivery. Kolby Pearson (#1) looks like a practice squad guy, he's a high effort guy who seems to be the preferred #4 punt returner after Cobb, Davis and Rollins. 

- I haven't seen Monty put one on the ground in the team sessions, not sure about individual drills. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened, I just haven't seen it.

- Kendricks made a great catch from Hundley in the back of the end zone. He may not get a ton of passes this year, but he may end up being the best FA we picked up. He's looked sharp, he's the kind of TE we always wanted to see Rodgers have after Finley was gone. 

Not much insight, there wasn't anything new really. 

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Herschel posted:  

I like Gunter, but his speed limitations will probably keep him out of the regular starting lineup. 

No disrespect intended against Gunter, but I think he is exactly the kind of player we would want as a back-up or a nickel/dime back.
He may not have the speed to play as a starter vs the Julios or OBJs of the world, but he is smart, instinctive, and now has the experience.

Tschmack posted:

Given the fact Montravis Adams is already doing his best Bustin Harrell impression it's important they find some DL 

I don't think that is exactly true.  JH took one training camp snap before faking  .... I mean getting his IR injury.  I don't think Adams had any.  Whatever, we (in GB) are use to DL guys going down with season ending injuries. 

Pete Daugherty overheard King tell Burnett the coaches were just being careful with his shoulder before practice started. May be nothing. May be career ending. 

In other news I hear Kerridge put a double move on Jake Ryan and got himself wide open and then one-handed an overthrown ball for the catch. Good to see a white 6' 250 lb fullback flash a little athletic ability. On the other hand. ****, Ryan. Get it together man. 

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My last day observations:

- I won't say Ryan had perfect coverage, but Kerridge wasn't wide open. Rodgers (maybe Hundley?) hit Kerridge mostly in stride (still had to reach) and Ryan was there. Probably would have been a 6 yard gain if it was a real game. 

- Malachi Dupree had a nice grab on the sideline against Pringle. Yancey had a tough day in the team periods, I think he had a bad drop and just couldn't get on the same page with QBs. Kolby Pearson continues to impress, he's making tough catches against camp bodies with backup QBs. 

- Saw some really nice penetration from Chris Ringo and RJ-F. 

- Marty Bennett came up lame with what looked like an ankle or a foot. It wasn't too bad because he was dancing later and went back in. I wouldn't be surprised if they hold him out of stuff with an ankle injury. Dick Rodgers got poked in the eye and had to come out, he looked fine also. It was scary though, both injuries happened right after each other and it looked out stacked TE position had crumbled. Heart attack moment. 

- Offense looked like they shook the rust off, Rodgers made some really impressive throws to Cobb and Allison, who continues to look really good. 

- Saw good breakups from Brice and Josh Jones.

- Jordan Tripp laid a nice pop on Jamal Williams which offended Barclay and started a scuffle. 

- The interesting formation of the day was a 3-3-5. They had Daniels, Clark, Lowry up front with Matthews, Perry, Ryan at LB with House, Rollins at CB, and Dix, Burnett, and Brice. Burnett was in his high LB/low Safety hybrid spot. They've had a lot of 5/6 DB formations on the field, but never with 3 DL. 

If I had to guess on the 53, based on who I have seen look good and who has gotten reps with the 1's:

QB: Rodgers, Hundley (2)

RB: Monty, Williams, Mays (3)

FB: Rip, Kerridge (2)

TE: Bennett, Kendricks, R. Rodgers (3)

WR: Nelson, D. Adams, Cobb, Allison (Dupre), Davis, Yancey (6)

OT: Bahktiari, Bulaga, Spriggs, Murphy (4)

OG: Taylor, Evans, Patrick  (3)

C: Linsley, Barclay (2)

Total: 25

DL: Daniels, Clark, Jean-Francois, Lowry, Guion (Ringo), Adams (6)

OLB: Matthews, Perry, Fackrell, Elliot, Biegel (Gilbert) (5)

ILB: Ryan, Thoms, Martinez, Tripp (4)

S: Clinton-Dix, Burnett, Brice, Jones, Evans (5)

CB: House, Rollins, King, Randall, Gunter (5)

Total: 25

K: Crosby

P: Vogel

LS: Hart

Total: 3

Practice Squad: Callahan (QB), Jones (RB), McCray (LG), Dupre (WR), Price (DL) Gilbert (OLB) , Pringle (CB), Whitehead (S)

Wouldnt be surprised if they ditched Patrick to keep another QB or RB though. Some guys will be kept past the cutoff due to suspension or PUP list. Just my guess although it's not really a stretch because there aren't a ton of camp battles going on, mostly for depth.

OLine drills were further down from us, I didn't get to see too much of them other than team sessions. I've noticed the last few years that guys who get time in team sessions with Aaron Rodgers, even just minimal time in a rotation, tend to be the ones kept. That's not always true, but if you're in the field with him then you have a good chance of making it. Haven't seen Gray with the 1's or 2's. It's only been 5 days though, much more time to prove himself.

I think he realizes it's his last chance to make the roster. He's seen Allison take the #4 WR spot, Janis contribute on STs, and the Packers draft two WRs this offseason in addition to the 3 starters that already exist. Unless he can show in preseason that he can contribute well on STs as a returner and some as a WR it will be surprising if he keeps a spot. 

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