2017 Training Camp

They're really mixin' it up out there Cotton. 

Timmy! posted:

I have no idea what the real story was, but Jefferson wound up on Gregg's bad side and was put in the doghouse permanently. JJ bitched about it towards the end of his time here, and Gregg said "tough sh*t", paraphrased, of course.
FWIW, Gregg's hiring may have a bigger mistake than the decision to fire Starr. Part of the reason he was brought in was his reputation of being tough and hard-nosed, and supposedly that's just what the Packers needed. He was that indeed, but it translated poorly to the players, and we pretty much sucked the next few years until the Majik era.

Without knowing the details, my recollection is that Jefferson did not have near the stats he had while with the Chargers and I was disappointed.  I thought I heard he wasn't much of a practice player and it caught up to him.

Man, I thought the combination of Dickey throwing to Lofton, Jefferson, and Coffman was going to be unstoppable.  I recall it just did not turn out that way.

heyward posted:

Should've stopped right there - and even then you'd be a bit generous in your self-assessment.

Grave Digger posted:

I think you've been Hollywood Hogan your entire life. 

I just hope Gawker doesn't release the sex tape. 

Grave Digger posted:

ChilliJon posted:

I've never bitched about Ted or Rodgers. So don't lump me into you're misguided bull**** thinking. You put you're stake in the ground in support of Dom. You stand by that. And **** you!

Didn't say you complained about them, but this whining about Dom Capers is at the same level as those who b*tch(ed) about Ted and Rodgers. I'm not even saying you're wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it's that this lame a$$ whining has gone on for 8 F*CKING YEARS. Any time someone here wants to talk about this team the thread gets littered with b*tching with pessmistic Dom Capers bullsh*t. You guys have a lot of football knowledge and insight, stop wasting it on the same lame a$$ Dom Capers talk. 

Every X4 post contains the following:

-A noun

-A verb

-Capers sucks/Janis/b-b-but injuries...

I hate verbs.

Every X4 post contains the following:

-A noun

-A verb

-Capers sucks/Janis/b-b-but injuries...

Not the next post:

Rusty posted:

Grave Digger posted:

ChilliJon posted:

I've never bitched about Ted or Rodgers. So don't lump me into you're misguided bull**** thinking. You put you're stake in the ground in support of Dom. You stand by that. And **** you!

Didn't say you complained about them, but this whining about Dom Capers is at the same level as those who b*tch(ed) about Ted and Rodgers. I'm not even saying you're wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it's that this lame a$$ whining has gone on for 8 F*CKING YEARS. Any time someone here wants to talk about this team the thread gets littered with b*tching with pessmistic Dom Capers bullsh*t. You guys have a lot of football knowledge and insight, stop wasting it on the same lame a$$ Dom Capers talk. 

Every X4 post contains the following:

-A noun

-A verb

-Capers sucks/Janis/b-b-but injuries...

You forgot dangling participles (teehee) as well as my favorite, down and dirty adjectives. 

Grave Digger posted:

this lame a$$ whining has gone on for 8 F*CKING YEARS. 

Has it really been that long since we had a good defense

Dr._Bob posted:

I hate verbs.

Liar.

If you said, "I verbs" I might believe you

Henry posted

You forgot dangling participles (teehee) as well as my favorite, down and dirty adjectives. 

 

Let's hear it for Prepositions!
Why I was forced to memorize this crap is beyond me, but it's taking up valuable space on my cranial HD.

aboard, about, above, according to, across, across from, after, against, along, alongside, alongside of, along with, amid, among, apart from, around, aside from, at, away from, back of, because of, before, behind, below, beneath, beside, besides, between, beyond, but, by, by means of, concerning, considering, despite, down, down from, during, except, except for, excepting for, from, from among, from between, from under, in, in addition to, in behalf of, in front of, in place of, in regard to, inside, inside of, in spite of, instead of, into, like, near, near to, of, off, on, on account of, on behalf of, onto, on top of, opposite, out, out of, outside, outside of, over, over to, owing to, past, prior to, regarding, round, round about, save, since, subsequent to, together, with, through, throughout, till, to, toward, under, underneath, until, unto, up, up to, upon, with, within, without

Holy hell.  You may need a reformat.  

El-Belichick-Landry posted:

Dr._Bob posted:

I hate verbs.

Liar.

If you said, "I verbs" I might believe you

Let's hear it for Prepositions!
Why I was forced to memorize this crap is beyond me, but it's taking up valuable space on my cranial HD.

[list of prepositions deleted]

It could be worse: in German and Russian, you have to remember which case the object of the preposition takes.  And there is a substantial number of prepositions that can take different cases depending on whether there's implied motion involved.

And then there are the verbs that take a direct object in a case other than the accusative.  This is particularly bad in Russian, which has more cases than German.

bvan posted:

Henry posted

You forgot dangling participles (teehee) as well as my favorite, down and dirty adjectives. 

 

aboard, about, above, according to, across, across from, after, against, along, alongside, alongside of, along with, amid, among, apart from, around, aside from, at, away from, back of, because of, before, behind, below, beneath, beside, besides, between, beyond, but, by, by means of, concerning, considering, despite, down, down from, during, except, except for, excepting for, from, from among, from between, from under, in, in addition to, in behalf of, in front of, in place of, in regard to, inside, inside of, in spite of, instead of, into, like, near, near to, of, off, on, on account of, on behalf of, onto, on top of, opposite, out, out of, outside, outside of, over, over to, owing to, past, prior to, regarding, round, round about, save, since, subsequent to, together, with, through, throughout, till, to, toward, under, underneath, until, unto, up, up to, upon, with, within, without

I'll take Dom Capers ILB RB keys on 1st and 10 for $200 Alex. 

Of course Russia has more cases than Germany. They have more and better vodka. 

You can never have too much vodka.

You told my Mom that, didn't you?

Brett Goode is back. 

Well, apparently the other guy wasn't goode enough.

Sometimes I think TT is too cute in trying to find a diamond in the rough.

Specifically, the fact that he picked Biegel when he could have picked T.J. Watt.  I see that in T.J.'s first preseason game, he got 2 sacks in the opponents' FIRST POSSESSION!  GRRRRRRR!  I hope Biegel is great, but even though it's only 1 preseason game, I saw T.J. All last season wreak havoc in the Big 10 and sincerely believe he's the real deal!

Given what I have seen from this LB group Vince Biegel can play and make a difference.  When healthy the guy is a playmaker.  But that's the issue - he's had trouble staying healthy.  

TJ Watt at 29 was one of the no brainers of the draft.   I hope like hell King and Biegel turn out well so we don't regret it but I would not bet against a Watt.  

"Everyone says I should take Watt, so I'll take King, and because he's not value at 29, I'll trade back to do so.  There, showed you all!  And here's Biegel so zip it."

I love Ted Thompson and he's done way more good than harm but that one rankled me.  TJ Watt was obvious, his DNA unchangeable and his work ethic through the roof.  Take the best player and get the quarterback before he even throws it.  

2 sacks with the first stringers. Ugh.  

Big Watt fan, but c'mon, right now he's just a pre-season hero.  

Totally. But do you really think he's stopping there? 

Does anyone?

Ted, what worries me about him sometimes is, he's too good.  I mean, where's the glory in the obvious pick?

I think King is a good pick and Dom is a ****ty coordinator so none of it matters

Pistol GB posted:

"Everyone says I should take Watt, so I'll take King, and because he's not value at 29, I'll trade back to do so.  There, showed you all!  And here's Biegel so zip it."

I love Ted Thompson and he's done way more good than harm but that one rankled me.  TJ Watt was obvious, his DNA unchangeable and his work ethic through the roof.  Take the best player and get the quarterback before he even throws it.  

2 sacks with the first stringers. Ugh.  

A little early for a game over post, isn't it?

Specifically, the fact that he picked Biegel when he could have picked T.J. Watt.

Watt was long off the board by the time he picked Biegel.

It's always entertaining to watch Packer fans go nuts when management fails to pick a particular ex-Badger. 

Easy now.  TJ is doing the same things in preseason games vic s'oto, dezman moses and andy malumba have done.

Goalline posted:

Pistol GB posted:

"Everyone says I should take Watt, so I'll take King, and because he's not value at 29, I'll trade back to do so.  There, showed you all!  And here's Biegel so zip it."

I love Ted Thompson and he's done way more good than harm but that one rankled me.  TJ Watt was obvious, his DNA unchangeable and his work ethic through the roof.  Take the best player and get the quarterback before he even throws it.  

2 sacks with the first stringers. Ugh.  

A little early for a game over post, isn't it?

Disagreeing with one pick is game over now? I disagreed    that day! 

You want to rub my face in Crow dung when King gets ROY and Watt's riding the pine I'll be right here, dudesicle.

Fedya posted:

It's always entertaining to watch Packer fans go nuts when management fails to pick a particular ex-Badger. 

Like they did with JJ?

You can paint it as homers whining all you want, Fed. The truth is, JJ WATT ripped the NFL a new Ass Hole and spat in the hole. You can't sit there and pretend that didn't happen or that you're Mr. Above-It-All Objective.  It ****ing happened and it's about to happen again.

November 26 at Pittsburgh. How about everyone take a deep breath and let's see where things stand in a few months. 

Where's the fun in that?  

Season's on. We need a predictions thread. This place needs some heat, and some going out on limbs. 

I like the King pick, but I wanted Watt.  And I think we'll regret not having him. It really is JMO.

Watt isn't the missing link in GB. Neither is Biegel. King was the right play. GB needed a corner to backfill the Shields hole. 

And if Josh Jones works then Watt and Biegel are nice side stories. 

To be fair, Pistol, I'd make the same comment about Iowacheese and ex-Hawkeyes if he were still posting here. I've also made similar comments about the way people go gaga over veteran free agents whose name they recognize. 

Pistol GB posted:

Goalline posted:

Pistol GB posted:

"Everyone says I should take Watt, so I'll take King, and because he's not value at 29, I'll trade back to do so.  There, showed you all!  And here's Biegel so zip it."

I love Ted Thompson and he's done way more good than harm but that one rankled me.  TJ Watt was obvious, his DNA unchangeable and his work ethic through the roof.  Take the best player and get the quarterback before he even throws it.  

2 sacks with the first stringers. Ugh.  

A little early for a game over post, isn't it?

Disagreeing with one pick is game over now? I disagreed    that day! 

You want to rub my face in Crow dung when King gets ROY and Watt's riding the pine I'll be right here, dudesicle.

So, you are not freaking out? I don't know. Your reply is really defensive. Not interested in rubbing your face in anything.

I know who is freaking out, Larry from Green Bay and Ken from Wolcott CT

If JJ Watt is the one unicorn of UW alum to set the standard for drafting any badger anyone has heard of, have at it.  And I like JJ Watt.

DH13 posted:

If JJ Watt is the one unicorn of UW alum to set the standard for drafting any badger anyone has heard of, have at it.  And I like JJ Watt.

I brought up JJ specifically because it's his little brother we're talking about here, not to set some unfair standard. Scientifically, there's no 2 people on earth more alike than siblings (except identical twins). 

JJ Watt is not a unicorn was exactly the point, yo. Unicorns don't have brothers.

I know the NFL draft isn't science. It's gambling. And you can't clone humans yet. So who you going to bet on?

Wonder if JJ Watt's rise and injury issues are HGH related?

Thompson is, and always has been, a BPA at a position of need drafter.

Trading down they get King and Biegel, more value than just TJ.

I'm certain these statements have nothing to do with you being a giant Wisconsin Badger fan. Yes I'm certain of it. 

Hungry5 posted:

Wonder if JJ Watt's rise and injury issues are HGH related?

 

He should consult CM on that. 

I just really wanted Watt and don't trust Matthews off HGH (*kaboom*).

But you do trust TJ Watt off HGH.

Not sure adding someone else (LB) wasn't a position of need as well.  You add Watt, move CMIII back inside and it automatically improves their D.  It certainly improves their pass rush. 

CB is an issue as long as Rollins and Randall don't pan out.  Or don't stay healthy. I'm still hopeful one or both of them will return back to what they looked like 2 years ago.  If they don't, then King had better make an impact or this D will be in trouble. 

We can always use more pass rushers as we are banking on Perry and CMIII staying healthy.  

Not sure adding someone else (LB) wasn't a position of need as well.

Perhaps the defense had enough needs that getting two players instead of one was a better idea?