2018 OTA's/Mini Camp master thread

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With OTA's this week and June (mandatory) Mini Camp just a few weeks away, thought we could put various tid bits and info into a running thread.

Rob Demovsky ESPN Staff Writer
CBs Kevin King (shoulder) and Quinten Rollins (Achilles) both were on the field in limited capacities. Both finished last season on IR. Also back from IR and working: Ty Montgomery (wrist), CB Herb Waters (shoulder), S Kentrell Brice (ankle), T Jason Springs (knee), T Kevin Murphy (foot).
Rob Demovsky ESPN Staff Writer
Packers guard Lane Taylor said he underwent ankle surgery after the season and likely won't work at all during OTAs. He said it was just to clean up a linger issue. He missed the Saints game last year (Oct. 22) because of an ankle injury. He expects to be back for the start of training camp.
Rob Demovsky ESPN Staff Writer
It's a hamstring injury for WR Davante Adams, who did not practice at Tuesday's OTA. He came out halfway through practice. Others with injuries: WR Trevor Davis (hamstring), WR Colby Pearson (hamstring), OLB Clay Matthews (knee), OLB Nick Perry (ankle), LG Lane Taylor (ankle), RT Bryan Bulaga (knee), TE Emanuel Byrd (hamstring). Absent not due to injuries: S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, CB Tramon Williams.

5/22/183:40 PM

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fightphoe93Member

Let's get those injuries out of the way early. Rather have these guys dinged in OTAs than when it really matters.

5/22/188:11 PM

Pistol GBMember

Still that seems like a lot of hammies for running around in shorts.

That's either not stretching or not ready or both.

5/22/188:29 PM

DH13Member

I've heard it's the go to ailment if one is not all that into OTAs.

5/22/188:34 PM

Blair KielGOOD OL' FAKE BLAIR KIEL - My Hood? nice Henry. Fuck You!

You should have seen me turn my ankle every year during the first lap of our timed two-mile run at UWM Soccer two-a-days....I turned it into an art form.

5/22/188:51 PM

MaynardPathetic, an embarrassment to true Packer fans

Chargers lose TE Hunter Henry to ACL already!

5/22/189:27 PM

SanDiegoPackFanMember

Wow. That would be a huge loss for Rivers and their offense.

Maybe they'll try and re-sign Gates now!

5/23/1812:16 AM

The HecklerMember

Man what is with the hamstring injuries and this team? If I was McCarthy I would lose my mind on the training staff to get that figured out.

5/23/186:59 AM

Ghost of LambeauMember

Adams says his not practicing is precautionary. Still, 3 WRs & 1 TE with hamstring injuries. Not a good start.

5/23/189:14 PM

michiganjoeMember

Marcedes Lewis joins Jimmy Graham and Lance Kendricks in what coach Mike McCarthy called the most experienced tight end group he's ever had.

Rob Demovsky, ESPN Staff Writer

5/31/1811:35 AM

michiganjoeMember

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix is absent again from Packers OTA. There's no known injury and he's entering the fifth-year option of his rookie deal.

Rob Demovsky, ESPN Staff Writer5m ago

5/31/1811:53 AM

ChilliJonI hate the Vikings!

Mike also said that in regards to footwork and mechanics at the QB position "Brett is obviously well ahead of Kizer, but Deshone has a big upside"

WTF? Is Kizer going through OTA's on a rascal scooter? Is Mike able to move on from last year that fast? Is he just f*****g with everyone?

5/31/1812:08 PM

michiganjoeMember

#Packers rookie CB Jaire Alexander picks Aaron Rodgers on an out route. Josh Jackson got one on Rodgers yesterday. Rodgers has said he’ll test rookie CBs. Early signs are positive.
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) May 31, 2018

5/31/1812:14 PM

FandameMember

Couldn't give them a better test!

5/31/1812:17 PM

Dr._BobMember

Rodgers getting beat by rookies.

5/31/1812:27 PM

YATittleMember

Not good that with a new DC Haha is off laughing somewhere.

5/31/1812:41 PM

DH13Member

Rodgers is done!

5/31/181:23 PM

PackLandVAMember

michiganjoe posted:
#Packers rookie CB Jaire Alexander picks Aaron Rodgers on an out route. Josh Jackson got one on Rodgers yesterday. Rodgers has said he’ll test rookie CBs. Early signs are positive.
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) May 31, 2018

WRs ran the wrong routes.

5/31/181:33 PM

packerboiI lick rainbows

For those #Packers fans concerned, Marcedes Lewis is No. 85 and the previous No. 85, tight end Robert Tonyan, has switched to No. 49. So the team continues to keep Jordy Nelson’s old No. 87 open. Team often does that with beloved players’ numbers the year after their tenure ends. pic.twitter.com/tdKYKGrtHv
— Jason Wilde (@jasonjwilde) May 31, 2018

5/31/181:49 PM

pkr_northMember

PackLandVA posted:
michiganjoe posted:
#Packers rookie CB Jaire Alexander picks Aaron Rodgers on an out route. Josh Jackson got one on Rodgers yesterday. Rodgers has said he’ll test rookie CBs. Early signs are positive.
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) May 31, 2018
WRs ran the wrong routes.

reminds me of the 'favre excuse-o-matic' - man that was funny. 'my uncle had pink-eye...'

5/31/181:51 PM

packerboiI lick rainbows

First impression in person: Marcedes Lewis physically built awfully similarly to Martellus Bennett. https://t.co/08UHw9FKmx
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) May 31, 2018

5/31/181:58 PM

GoallineLarge Antenna

michiganjoe posted:
#Packers rookie CB Jaire Alexander picks Aaron Rodgers on an out route. Josh Jackson got one on Rodgers yesterday. Rodgers has said he’ll test rookie CBs. Early signs are positive.
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) May 31, 2018

Clearly Rodgers has lost it.

5/31/182:00 PM

ThunderbirdMember

Clearly.

So man walks into a psychiatrist's office wearing nothing at all, but he's wrapped in saran wrap. He says "Doc, there's something wrong with me." The Doc says, "Well, I can clearly see your nuts."

Or is it "you're"?

5/31/182:22 PM

DH13Member

Never explain a joke. It just confuses people.

5/31/182:49 PM

michiganjoeMember

Lewis said he came with no intention of signing. Changed when he met Rodgers and Graham.
— Packer Report (@PackerReport) May 31, 2018

5/31/183:11 PM

El-Ka-BongYou ungrateful biscuit eating son of a bitch

I betcha he came with some intention of signing

5/31/183:15 PM

grignonMember

He probably came with no expectation his signing requirement would be met. New regime not afraid to ante up. We'll see how well he read the cards.

5/31/183:37 PM

Pistol GBMember

grignon posted:
New regime not afraid to ante up.

And smart enough to include Rodgers and Graham in the process.

thumbsup

You gotta love Aaron Rodgers.

5/31/184:08 PM

H5Keyboard Warrior, troll hunter

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5/31/185:36 PM

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

Kirk Cousins has nothing to worry about.

6/1/186:54 AM

PakrzFREEZE!

Somebody needs a timeout.... or a citation for Unsafe Lane Deviation.

6/1/1810:44 PM

ammoCheese Master

Damn puppy can't be potty trained at all. Keeps peeing all over the place. Bad puppy!!!!

6/2/181:39 AM

GoldieMember

Just got a headline from Bleacher Report, Clay Mathews taken to ER, possible broken nose. Hit in the face during a softball charity game. Can’t find story.....just got a notice. eek

6/2/182:24 PM

PackLandVAMember

https://sportsnaut.com/2018/06...arity-softball-game/

There's a link to the liner off his schnoz.

6/2/182:38 PM

bvanErect Member

This is going to delay the hammy!

6/2/184:10 PM

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

Owwwww!!!! Unreal. Here's another link

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/...harity-softball-game

6/2/184:33 PM

antoooMember

I hope the 'Little BooBoo' moniker sticks.

6/2/186:18 PM

FedyaMember

He's smarter than the average Bear.

6/2/186:51 PM

FedyaMember

Lawrence Taylor had nose issues, and it didn't effect his play much.

6/2/186:56 PM

Dr._BobMember

Was it another late hit by the Vikings?

6/2/186:56 PM

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

Even if it wasn't I'm still blaming them

6/2/187:40 PM

ammoCheese Master

I wonder who was at bat?

6/2/189:43 PM

PackLandVAMember

ammo posted:
I wonder who was at bat?

Former Packers O-lineman Lucas Patrick.

6/2/1810:00 PM

antoooMember

If Bak and Daniels brought the championship belt to the game, this one goes to the offense.

6/2/1811:20 PM

GoallineLarge Antenna

Fedya posted:
Lawrence Taylor had nose issues, and it didn't effect his play much.

Fedya with an “affect” “effect” error? Wonders will never cease.

6/3/184:05 AM

antoooMember

Hateful.

6/3/1810:50 PM

michiganjoeMember

First we’ve seen of new #Packers punter JK Scott. Missed his first, but punting from midfield (pinning the football deep), here were his final 7 unofficial hangtimes: 3.93, 4.13, 4.62, 4.23, 4.55, 4.45, 4.55. Took some time to get going, but pretty consistent once he did.
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) June 4, 2018

6/4/1811:56 AM

michiganjoeMember

Hope the guy bulks up a bit. Looks so frail it wouldn't take much of a shot to do some damage.

6/4/1812:15 PM

FloridarobMember

He also looks about 12 years old. I remember the days NFL players looked old. that ship has sailed.

6/4/1812:25 PM

FandameMember

That ship left port about the same time veterans hitting free agency and demanding higher salaries came into vogue. All of a sudden, young guys looked a lot more attractive, especially with the structured rookie salaries. Not that that structure is a bad thing, it's just the reality of the situation.

6/4/183:08 PM

Pikes PeakMember

Does he shave?

6/4/183:08 PM

DH13Member

michiganjoe posted:
Hope the guy bulks up a bit. Looks so frail it wouldn't take much of a shot to do some damage.

He looks like he just trotted out of a harry potter game. He needs a wand.

6/4/184:01 PM

PackidermMember

Pikes Peak posted:
Does he shave?

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6/4/184:28 PM

PackerPatrickMember

Patrick is a FORMER player? Oh no! I was never told.

6/4/186:23 PM

SanDiegoPackFanMember

chicken legs

6/4/187:35 PM

HenryYou rang?

DH13 posted:
michiganjoe posted:
Hope the guy bulks up a bit. Looks so frail it wouldn't take much of a shot to do some damage.
He looks like he just trotted out of a harry potter game. He needs a wand.

Is Opie Whizburger the new Wizard?

6/4/188:15 PM

packerboiI lick rainbows

DH13 posted:
He looks like he just trotted out of a harry potter game. He needs a wand.

Welp, he's got the school uni down pat:

JK Scott

6/4/189:01 PM

PackLandVAMember

Pikes Peak posted:
Does he shave?

Landing strip.

Or so goes the rumor.

6/4/1810:14 PM

HenryYou rang?

That’s nasty.

6/5/187:52 AM

Grave DiggerMember

Image result for JK Scott gif

110 lbs. of pure twink.

6/5/188:40 AM

Grave DiggerMember

Image result for JK Scott gif

Ripped.

6/5/188:41 AM

RochNyFanMember

Did we sign Vin Diesel to play TE and nobody told me?

6/5/1811:42 AM

DH13Member

I'll just try to remind myself that peter pan survived 4 years with the rest of the ALA team and Nick Saban.

When he was a baby the Gods must have reached down and turned his right leg into a thunderbolt.

6/5/181:02 PM

FandameMember

DH, rofl

As long as he can kick the rock, I don't care if he looks like a stick figure drawn by an elementary school kid.

6/6/181:45 AM

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

Dice em up!!

6/6/189:04 PM

michiganjoeMember

Scott with one bomb after another in punt period. I had average hang time of 4.68.
— Packer Report (@PackerReport) June 12, 2018

6/12/1812:04 PM

GoallineLarge Antenna

4.68 is crazy!

6/12/1812:19 PM

DH13Member

God reached down and turned his leg into a thunderbolt.

If we ever need to run out the clock with under 2:00 to go we can just send him out to punt.

6/12/181:12 PM

FinnLanderMember

Could some X4 GMs have been wrong? GASP!

6/12/181:14 PM

DH13Member

Google says it's very good but not 'crazy' as previously reported.

6/12/181:41 PM

Dave in GASay my name!

Henry posted:
DH13 posted:
michiganjoe posted:
Hope the guy bulks up a bit. Looks so frail it wouldn't take much of a shot to do some damage.
He looks like he just trotted out of a harry potter game. He needs a wand.
Is Opie Whizburger the new Wizard?

looks like he missed leg day....and arm day.... panic

6/12/181:51 PM

HenryYou rang?

FinnLander posted:
Could some X4 GMs have been wrong? GASP!

We all know how making predictions in mini camp pan out. TRADE HIM FOR A 1ST ROUNDER!!

GET ON THE WHIZBURGER WAGON!!

6/12/182:01 PM

michiganjoeMember

Gutekunst won't be vindicated until Scott demonstrates he's a legitimate upgrade at the position. Early signs appear encouraging, but he has to do it in actual games and in inclement conditions.

6/12/182:25 PM

michiganjoeMember

#Packers S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix spoke with reporters about how not having a workout bonus in his contract allowed him to skip voluntary OTAs and spend time with family after his godmother's death. Said if he would've had a workout bonus in his deal, he would have been at OTAs.
— Jason Wilde (@jasonjwilde) June 12, 2018

6/12/182:57 PM

ChilliJonI hate the Vikings!

michiganjoe posted:
Gutekunst won't be vindicated until Scott demonstrates he's a legitimate upgrade at the position. Early signs appear encouraging, but he has to do it in actual games and in inclement conditions.

Wolf put a Lombardi next to Vince’s 2. Ted put one next to Ron’s. Gute has to put at least one next to Ted’s.

I don’t ever want a GM vindicated for draft picks. Or free agent signings. Hardware is all that matters.

6/12/184:30 PM

FandameMember

michiganjoe posted:
#Packers S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix spoke with reporters about how not having a workout bonus in his contract allowed him to skip voluntary OTAs and spend time with family after his godmother's death. Said if he would've had a workout bonus in his deal, he would have been at OTAs.
— Jason Wilde (@jasonjwilde) June 12, 2018

Not sure what to do with this. On one hand, sorry to hear his grandmother died and understandable he'd miss time; on the other, he would have sold out the family's grieving for money. stupid

6/12/185:41 PM

GBFanForLifeLarge Member

Godmother....Grandmother. Only a couple different letters.

6/12/185:51 PM

Blair KielGOOD OL' FAKE BLAIR KIEL - My Hood? nice Henry. Fuck You!

This is primo joke material, but we have to tread lightly.

6/12/186:16 PM

El-Ka-BongYou ungrateful biscuit eating son of a bitch

Primo walks into a bar...

6/12/186:34 PM

Blair KielGOOD OL' FAKE BLAIR KIEL - My Hood? nice Henry. Fuck You!

Did you hear the one about the Irishman who walks out of a bar?

Me neither.

No Irishman ever walked out of a bar.

6/12/186:40 PM

MaynardPathetic, an embarrassment to true Packer fans

I didn't read it like that, FANDAME...i took it since he didn't happen to "have" to be there, it gave him an opportunity to be with family.

6/12/186:42 PM

packerboiI lick rainbows

Well see how he looks with pads, but..

#Packers WR coach David Raih says rookie Marquez Valdes-Scantling is "playing fast off the ball." Earlier, Jim Hostler said he was surprised how "sudden" he is. Hands will be big thing for him, but fifth rounder clearly impressing with his athleticism.
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) June 12, 2018

6/12/188:30 PM

ChilliJonI hate the Vikings!

Hundley threw a 22 yard TD to EQ over Alexander and Alexander was called for PI but EQ caught it anyways ending a 2 minute drill for a TD.

Much to break down from everything above but the skinny is EQ might be a keeper.

6/12/1810:06 PM

H5Keyboard Warrior, troll hunter

backup QB controversy

6/12/1810:34 PM

ChilliJonI hate the Vikings!

I’m assuming it was a terrible pass with good coverage and one thing led to another and the net result was 6 with PI.

6/12/1810:55 PM

FedyaMember

So the defense is still doomed.

6/13/183:37 AM

Timmy!TIMMAAAAYYY!!

Blair Kiel posted:
Did you hear the one about the Irishman who walks out of a bar?
Me neither.
No Irishman ever walked out of a bar.

How many Irishmen does it take to change a light bulb?

10--1 to hold the bulb and 9 to drink 'til the room starts spinning!

6/13/185:34 AM

HenryYou rang?

Not concerned with Dix at all. Pretty sure every player on defense is going to take a step forward this year.

6/13/187:28 AM

The HecklerMember

Henry posted:
Not concerned with Dix at all. Pretty sure every player on defense is going to take a step forward this year.

I am not concerned about him either. Just watch he will become a playmaker again now that Ernest Capers is no longer in town.

6/13/187:36 AM

HenryYou rang?

Ernest.

6/13/188:01 AM

oldschoolMember

Henry posted:
Not concerned with Dix at all.

I think we all know better than that...we've seen the Snapchats from Platteville.

6/13/1810:23 AM

ThunderbirdMember

Timmy! posted:
Blair Kiel posted:
Did you hear the one about the Irishman who walks out of a bar?
Me neither.
No Irishman ever walked out of a bar.

How many Irishmen does it take to change a light bulb?
10--1 to hold the bulb and 9 to drink 'til the room starts spinning!

Why are there no Irish lawyers?

Because they can never pass the bar.

6/13/1811:21 AM

michiganjoeMember

Two tryout receivers are in minicamp with the Packers: Adonis Jennings (No. 1) of Temple and Malik Turner (13) of Illinois.

Rob Demovsky, ESPN Staff Writer1m ago

6/13/1811:41 AM

HenryYou rang?

oldschool posted:
Henry posted:
Not concerned with Dix at all.
I think we all know better than that...we've seen the Snapchats from Platteville.

Why are you looking at dick pics?

6/13/1811:53 AM

GoallineLarge Antenna

Comeback supreme! thumb

6/13/1812:16 PM

ChilliJonI hate the Vikings!

And howe!

6/13/1812:44 PM

HenryYou rang?

Platteville dicks. Was it the cheerleading squad? Old School going for the upskirt dick shot.

6/13/181:11 PM

HenryYou rang?

6/13/181:14 PM

H5Keyboard Warrior, troll hunter

Maybe oldschool is a fan of Dwaine Tinsley?

6/13/1810:12 PM

GBFanForLifeLarge Member

https://www.packers.com/news/j...22&sf191704522=1

The difference has been tangible this offseason. It’s evident Spriggs has a fuller torso and thicker lower body.

“You can see in his body, he’s made some very strong gains in his size, his strength,” run-game coordinator/offensive line coach James Campen said. “He’s a kid going into his third year and wants to make sure he’s going to give it everything he can.

6/14/188:07 AM

El-Ka-BongYou ungrateful biscuit eating son of a bitch

tis the time of year for "He's in the best shape of his life..."

6/14/188:15 AM

PackdogMember

If Spriggs goes from horrible to below average.... it's a "gain".

6/14/188:44 AM

ThunderbirdMember

When I get a fuller torso, people call me fat.

6/14/1810:29 AM

packerboiI lick rainbows

Not a surprise but FYI:

Other than Bryan Bulaga, coach Mike McCarthy said he didn't any concerns about injured/rehabbing players being ready for training camp. It still seems likely Bulaga will open camp on PUP given that he tore his ACL in November. https://t.co/9e0a0JWk0T
— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) June 14, 2018

6/14/1812:49 PM

packerboiI lick rainbows

Rookie J'Mon Moore's best attribute: He 'grabs grass' when he runs https://t.co/8DpRy7m4OM
— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) June 14, 2018

6/14/1812:50 PM

FedyaMember

Is "grabbing grass" like "stacking success", or like "self-scouting"?

6/14/182:47 PM

El-Ka-BongYou ungrateful biscuit eating son of a bitch

I assume he slurred "grab ass".

Its all good

6/14/183:22 PM

Pikes PeakMember

He do what he do

6/14/183:35 PM

Timmy!TIMMAAAAYYY!!

Gotta have something to stoke that Belly Fire!

6/14/186:06 PM

PackerPatrickMember

Hey, what’s with grumpy Moss? https://247sports.com/nfl/gree...th-media--119052010/

6/14/1810:55 PM

FedyaMember

Moss won't stroke the media's ego, so they'll sh!t on Moss. Sports writers have always been like this.

The old adage used to be, "Never argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel", but in the Internet day where you can watch the whole interview yourself if you want I don't know how true that still is.

6/15/186:16 AM

PackerPatrickMember

But this year he seems even more grumpy. If it’s a diss at a certain writer then I get it. Media people think too much of themselves anyway.

6/15/189:24 AM

YATittleMember

WHY is Moss still here?

6/15/189:49 AM

ChilliJonI hate the Vikings!

Some in the media thought Moss might be part of the staff housecleaning after the season ended. Rightfully so.

Now we have a guy who sucks at his job who refuses to talk with reporters.

6/15/1810:14 AM

grignonMember

There was always a question in my mind of whether the position coaches understood Caper's defense well enough to direct their charges to the correct response.

6/15/1810:53 AM

ChilliJonI hate the Vikings!

One one hand. There was the story last year that the secondary would split time between working with Whitt and Perry during the week in random manner and work on different things apart from the other group and you couldn't help but think the only net result of an arrangement like that would be confusion. So the question of Dom's insane asylum approach to scheme holds merit.

On the other hand. When Mike cleaned house on the defensive staff side in 2008 Moss was the only prominent position guy left standing. In fact, he was promoted to Assistant Head Coach. He's remained in that position ever since. The fact is you can't look at LB play over the past 10 years and say it's been a strong point of the defense other than Clay, Peppers. and possibly Bishop. Guys that would have flourished even if they were coached by Brad Childress.

6/15/1811:29 AM

michiganjoeMember

Got the impression last year that Moss was going to move on to other opportunities that apparently didn't materialize. Could be as simple as dissatisfaction with his current employment. Regardless, very unprofessional of him and MM should demand better.

6/15/1812:08 PM

YATittleMember

More stupid, stubborn blind loyalty from MM.

6/15/1812:13 PM

GoallineLarge Antenna

ChilliJon posted:
...say it's been a strong point of the defense other than Clay, Peppers. and possibly Bishop. Guys that would have flourished even if they were coached by Brad Childress.

And Moss was instrumental in holding Bishop back. It took some injuries to force his hand.

6/15/181:35 PM

oldschoolMember

Henry posted:
oldschool posted:
Henry posted:
Not concerned with Dix at all.
I think we all know better than that...we've seen the Snapchats from Platteville.

Why are you looking at dick pics?

There once was a gal from old Wentry

Who with the boys was rather quite friendly

Imagine the surprise...upon keener eyes

when we found she was really ...O'Henry !

6/15/1812:09 PM

packerboiI lick rainbows

Highly unlikely with Wilde, Nagler and the other softballs the Green Bay media serves up:

Wanna give Winston Moss a legit reason to be ticked off at the next press conference? Ask him why he hasn't been able to develop a decent linebacker not picked in the first round in over a decade.
— Michael Rodney (@PackersNotes) June 14, 2018

6/15/184:54 PM

ChilliJonI hate the Vikings!

Moss knows he's been banking found money for over a decade. That he's behaving like a scorned bitch is pathetic. Pettine won't let that go on.

Moss knows Mike can't protect him anymore.

Moss should be gone.

6/15/185:32 PM

Timmy!TIMMAAAAYYY!!

I won't defend Moss, but I will say he was tasked with trying to make chicken salad out of chicken chit most years.

From 2006 to 2015, LBs drafted include Abdul Hodge, Desmond Bishop, Korey Hall, CM III, Brad Jones, DJ Smith, Terrell Manning, Nate Palmer, Sam Barrington, Carl Bradford, and Jake Ryan.
No LBs drafted in 2008 or 2010.
Ummm, yeah, no.....

Acquired some guy named Ben Taylor via FA in '06, Brandon Chillar in 08, and Peppers in 2014.
I don't know if this is a complete list of FAs and doesn't include any UDFAs, nor does it include players moving from DE to OLB, but the point is made that acquiring talent at LB has been below average to poor.
2 impact players (if Bishop is included) drafted over 11 picks in 10 years.

Fackrell and Martinez were drafted in 2016, Vince Biegel in '17, and Oren Burks and Kendall Donnerson this year, so the jury is still out on these guys, but it's still an uphill climb for Fackrell and Martinez in my eyes.

6/15/189:39 PM