michiganjoe posted:
So Hub shares the same problems as TT? Get well, Hub.
The next contract Jordy signs with the Packers will be for one day.
Boris posted:Jordy was the Raiders leading receiver last year.
Jordy as a #4 or #5? For $1.5-$2 Million? I could see it in Green Bay if he is agreeable.
But there is a lot of young receivers in Green Bay now. He might not be able to beat them out.
IIRC James Jones was the leading receiver for the Raiders in 2014 when they cut him and the Pack reacquired him (from the Giants) before the start of the 2015 season. JJ had a nice 50 catch season in 2015 before retiring.
Put me in the tire-kicking camp.
I am all in for at least kicking the tires on Jordy to see what he may still have left in the tank. But, I think Packerhawk is correct the next contract he signs with the Packers is his one day retirement contract.
vitaflo posted:Chongo posted:I like this move. Bears upgrade position with durable vet surrounded by capable, experienced secondary players and fierce pass rush. Clinton-Dix motivated by prove-it deal. In essentially a swap of safeties, Bears get best of Packers. https://t.co/bh97NQLak0
â David Haugh (@DavidHaugh) March 14, 2019"Motivated by prove-it deal"?? Dix had a prove-it deal with two teams last year and failed them both. What makes anyone think he's going to try this year?
Besides, when is the last time anyone saw HHCD hit a guy like Amos does? Da Bears took a step backwards by signing HHCD to replace Amos. I'd bet they draft a Safety who will probably start and get more playing time than HHCD. HHCD is just more depth for Da Bears.
I think Hub is only familiar with their college tape.
apparantly hasn't watched much of hhcd lately. ole.
Actually - I think Brown Paper Sack could do a better job covering the Bears than Hub ever could.
pkr_north posted:apparantly hasn't watched much of hhcd lately. ole.
Pretty sure your right. I think you really have to weigh a lot of what these media guys say very carefully. I'm guessing very few have done any real scouting and just go with the flow, regurgitating the hype. HHCD came into the league with plenty of hype complete with the Bama notoriety. He's still riding that hype and collecting on it. He's got a couple of big plays to his resume so far and that's all these guys remember.
I think Hub needs to stop drinking the bong water.
As far as tackling goes, Haha makes Darren Sharper look like Ronnie Lott
mrtundra posted:Besides, when is the last time anyone saw HHCD hit a guy like Amos does? Da Bears took a step backwards by signing HHCD to replace Amos. I'd bet they draft a Safety who will probably start and get more playing time than HHCD. HHCD is just more depth for Da Bears.
Not a bad guess, insurance policy while they draft a safety. Wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't see the field much or even make it out of camp.
Ok, so I can't find anymore than it is a one year contract for $3.5m. I wonder how much of a bonus/guaranteed money is involved. I found reports that he passed up more money to stay with the Redskins, which is kind of bizarre.
Just watched some highlight film of him and it confirmed what everyone here is saying. Most of his interceptions have been on overthrown, tipped or balls that should never had been thrown. When they showed him hitting someone, I had to check my eyes to see if it really was him.
Amos has three picks in four years and it's entirely possible HHCD will give the Bears more big plays. The problem is between the big plays he's horribly inconsistent and doesn't exactly seek out contact.
The reaction to the Clinton-Dix signing is classic national media stupidity. First rounder + one year deal = great signing. None of these guys have any clue about his play the last 2 season, they just revert back to the fact they know his name and he was a first rounder.
First half of last season was a prove it deal with the Packers and he was traded. He proved he wasn't worth a deal. Second half was a prove it deal with Washington. Again he proved he wasn't worth a deal. So third time is a charm?
Can't wait to play him twice next year.
While is everyone obsessing about Ha Ha so much?
By the way, I am Ha Ha and I was speaking in the 3rd person.
Today on Philly sports talk theyâre talking about how the Eagles should sign Clay Matthews. âHeâs a studâ and would put them over the top. I donât think any of them have watched Clay play the last 2 years.
Well, maybe by stud they meant a 2x4?
michiganjoe posted:Amos has three picks in four years and it's entirely possible HHCD will give the Bears more big plays. The problem is between the big plays he's horribly inconsistent and doesn't exactly seek out contact.
And Amos is very consistent and versatile. He didnât get a contract because of INT stats. He got it for being a reliable cover safety
Ha Ha is consistently versatile too like a potato. You can bake me, fry me, or mash me.
yes Henry, and to add to that, he will be in the right spot at the right time - and he can communicate the coverage and where the do-does should be. that was a big issue with the geen-e-ouss types we have had. always a breakdown in communications, get it figured out mate. just give me a bunch of do your job guys, and we will be set.
Probably the best explanation I saw is the Bears gave up an reliable safety for an unreliable one. HHCD was in effect on prove it deals in both Green Bay and Washington and couldn't get it done. Hard to see this time playing out differently.
The Heckler posted:I think Hub needs to stop drinking the bong water.
Well, his last name does end with Kush.
PA green & gold posted:Today on Philly sports talk theyâre talking about how the Eagles should sign Clay Matthews. âHeâs a studâ and would put them over the top. I donât think any of them have watched Clay play the last 2 years.
Si listed the top 50 FA still available and Clay was not even listed.
And according to SI Amos was the 4th best FA signing.
4. Adrian Amos, S, Packers â 4 years, $12M guaranteed
Amos played in a predominantly 2-deep safety scheme under defensive coordinator Vic Fangio in Chicago and now must transition to a predominantly 1-deep scheme under Packers coordinator Mike Pettine. But thatâll be a small challenge, and Amos was always sound when the Bears did employ 1-deep coverages. More importantly, Fangioâs and Pettineâs schemes are predicated on matchup zone principles. Amos has the vision and spatial awareness to solidify Green Bayâs matchup zones, which wobbled too often last year as young players shuffled from position to position, due to injuries and lineup-tinkering. Another way to view this: Instead of re-signing Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, one of footballâs most physically gifted but least reliable safeties, the Packers filled that spot with a quality starter from their rival Bears. (And later saw those Bears sign Clinton-Dix, no less.)
Geronimo Allison signed a one year deal for more than his tender. Other teams were preparing to pitch a contract to him.
https://www.packersnews.com/st...-allison/3181609002/
Sounds to me like he signed the tender. Not sure where you got he signed for more money or that other teams were preparing to make an offer from that story.
heyward posted:Sounds to me like he signed the tender. Not sure where you got he signed for more money or that other teams were preparing to make an offer from that story.
Got that from a Tweet from a beat writer.
I'm glad he's back even on a tender. He and Rodgers were really starting to get some great chemistry. If he can become a solid #2, that's a huge win. If Saint Equanimity develops into a slot role it would help to devote more resources to keeping Rodgers upright.
If TJ Hockenson is as good as advertised, he might be the biggest single upgrade the offense can make during the off season. A great TE changes the entire offense.
I agree, sort of, but they need to add a couple of OL too. I think that AND getting TJ would make this offense hum .
Oh, probably need a hammer at RB for short yardage but that should be an easy find.
Pakrz posted:If TJ Hockenson is as good as advertised, he might be the biggest single upgrade the offense can make during the off season. A great TE changes the entire offense.
You mean the guy Gutey is paying $12.6M isn't a great TE?
He was. 5 years ago.
He looks like he's got about 1/2 a good leg these days.
That's my point. Gutey wasted money on Graham last season and now he's doubling down on that mistake.
Jags signing Jake Ryan. Entire '15 draft class is now gone.
Signaling a clay move to ilb?
They'd have to sign him first. Plus, putting him at ILB would also affect any contract when other teams are sure to offer him OLB money. Clay can do both. Pay him a contract commiserate to a OLB at his age/skillset and then talk about ILB play.
Hopefully ballsy doesnât try to penny pinch.
Clay has a place on this team. He can still produce if he is used right.
Especially after they decide to keep their flags on their hips. I'm not sure if he ever recovered from those early and mistaken calls. He was disruptive until then.
Especially as a 3rd down specialist. I know Clay would excel if not over used .
heyward posted:That's my point. Gutey wasted money on Graham last season and now he's doubling down on that mistake.
What? How is drafting a potential stud TE doubling down on a FA bust? Which hasn't happened yet, I should add.
No, doubling down on a mistake was signing Graham a year after the Martellus Bennett fiasco.
If anything, Gutey seems to be more than willing to send mistakes packing.
See Dix
See Dumbarius
See Ty
See Perry
See McCarthy
See the rest of the coaching staff sans Pettine
I'd prefer to see them move on from Graham but apparently he's getting one more shot. Would you prefer they put all their eggs in that broken down basket or move on to plan B for what is supposedly a pretty important piece in this new offense that's being installed?
Doubling down by keeping Graham for another season.
Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I figured he was gone. Not sure what the cap hit for cutting him was vs. keeping him this year but I though the deal was set up in a way that they could walk away from the contract after 1 year and not get beat up too much.
I really don't expect him to be worth whatever they pay him this year but maybe the new scheme will work. I'm not counting on it. I'm more optimistic about getting some value out of Lewis.
Graham's best years are behind him. Graham himself stated his numbers weren't where they needed to be last year. That said, in a year where GB was abnormally bad, Graham was the 9th ranked TE in the NFL with 55 catches for 636 yards. A top 10 TE... we could be doing much worse.
The biggest play of the year (IMO) Rodgers throws a perfect strike to Graham in the endzone vs. the Bears. The ball bounced off Graham's facemask & turned a TD into Rodgers first INT breaking the 300+ pass .streak without an INT.
That play was a microcosm of the entire Packers season wrapped up in a nice bow for everyone.
I still think Graham can be a red zone threat. I have also heard he's pretty good in the locker room. LR is probably the biggest reason they kept Graham around.
Pakrz posted:Graham's best years are behind him. Graham himself stated his numbers weren't where they needed to be last year. That said, in a year where GB was abnormally bad, Graham was the 9th ranked TE in the NFL with 55 catches for 636 yards. A top 10 TE... we could be doing much worse.
Exactly. I don't expect him to break out huge next year but to say he can't be a solid contributor in an offense that isn't completely dysfunctional isn't much of a stretch. Still overpaid? Maybe but I'll give it a year under someone who isn't McVince.
The draft is still priority.
This team needed an infusion of talent & Gutey provided it via FA.
Now they have some draft picks they need to nail. If they do....the Pack will be a tough out in the playoffs.
Yup, a tough out this year and a not out the next. All in for the next couple of years, the future is now.
It's often said that FA is the price you pay for poor drafts. There is little doubt that rings true. With the upcoming draft, Gute has the opportunity to fill some significant holes not only for now, but the future. At 12, Gute may very well choose to take a DT knowing that Daniels is a FA (And 30 years old) next off season. Hell, he may take OL there knowing you can't push Bulaga much further down the road. Lots of things to think about....
What I like about the signings is they are all young guys with clean bills of health.
All investments are risky, but Gute went with the percentages --the actuarial data with a greater chance of success. Good call.
Look at Turner: People say, "Well he's mediocre." The thing is, they know he can play. They know he can start and not be a liability. That's more than we can say about some of the current linemen on this roster.
And it can't be said at all about draft picks. I mean, who thought Spriggs would suck? His resume and measurables looked like he would develop into an NFL starter.
These FA's are young guys you know can play. Yes they cost money but yes we needed them.
And they look happy as clams to be in GB, which is kind of a nice bonus. Welcome to Titletown let's get another one hey.
Nickname schtick approved. "I am Gute".
Can't believe I missed that one and now I have to give Pistol credit.
Best and worst day ever.
Boris posted:This team needed an infusion of talent & Gutey provided it via FA.
Now they have some draft picks they need to nail. If they do....the Pack will be a tough out in the playoffs.
Nail the draft.
Saying anything about playoffs with a complete overhaul at HC is a bit starry.
Never mind. I just read what I wrote. I take that back.
The #Cowboys are hosting FA WR Randall Cobb on a visit today, source said. One of the top veterans available.
â Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 18, 2019
Former Packersâ WR Jordy Nelson is scheduled to visit the Seahawks on Tuesday, per source. They were interested in Nelson last year; GM John Schneider loves Nelson.
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 18, 2019
Other interested teams at this point include: Patriots, Titans, Chiefs, Raiders.
Oh....so the Raiders are interested in Nelson but at a reduced cost. F*** them.
Wouldn't be surprised if the Seahawks sign him.
It sure would be cool to see him back in Green Bay. He might be an excellent 3rd down option.
Former Packers CB Bashaud Breeland is signing with the Chiefs, a source told ESPN
â Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) March 18, 2019
Sucks to lose Breeland to FA, he would have been a no brainer keeper on a cheap deal. Gute will have to grab a corner in the draft, maybe even 2.
Until King can prove he can play a full season, the assumption has to be he can't
WTF?
Greedy Williams will be long gone by 30, but UGA CB DeAndre Baker and PSU's Amani Oruwariye will both be available. If you pass on those guys, then you're probably looking at more marginal talent like Kentucky's Lonnie Johnson or ND's Julian Love. Not a terribly great year for CB.
Breeland is apparently getting something in KC the Packers were unwilling to offer- the chance to start. The beginning of the Tony Brown era?
So essentially they'll start King ahead of him and when he goes down in two games we're back to UDFA scrubs?
Itâs a 1-year, incentive-laden deal that can be worth a max value of $5M, source said. A possible starter for the #Chiefs.
â Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 18, 2019
Not much money.
Makes zero sense.
Burflick finally cut by the Bengals. Vikings should tell Barr they changed their mind, cut him, then go sign Burflick.
Damn, had a candle lit for Breeland. Bummer.
Guess they won't be converting Jackson to safety just yet. High hopes for Tony Brown, but is he ready to get consistent PT ?
Frankly, would've preferred they dump Tramon if it meant signing Breeland.
As Week 2 of free agency begins, some notable players available:
â Field Yates (@FieldYates) March 18, 2019
* TE Jared Cook
* OLB Justin Houston
* DT Ndamukong Suh
* DE Ziggy Ansah
* K Stephen Gostkowski
* CB Darqueze Dennard
* WR Randall Cobb
* LB Clay Matthews
* LB Jamie Collins
* DT Darius Philon
* DT Cory Liuget
Henry posted:Makes zero sense.
Yup. They could have really solidified their depth by signing him. Now we're back to "iffy on the back fifty".
The bad thing about losing Breeland is losing the leadership, but I actually think we're heading in the right direction at CB. Lots of IFs, but IF guys stay healthy and build on what they did this past year I think there's a lot to like. I wasn't impressed with Jackson, but his college resume is impressive and he's a guy (like Casey Hayward) that you give time for development. He's a guy I could see breaking out in year 2 after getting time year 1 to adjust to the NFL (some guys adjust more easily than others). Brown did some good things year 1 to build on, I'm not ready to label him as anything yet, but he's another one that could break out in year 2. Alexander obviously did a lot of positive things to build on, he's trending toward elite CB status IMO. This is a young group that needs some veteran leadership in the room. Tramon is good, but I think a vocal Charles Woodson-esque leader could be the difference in these guys developing into JAGs or stars.
Again, with OLB locked down I'd like to see an early pick at CB. Another Alexander back there could be a difference maker at CB in the short term and long term.
Buccaneers sign former Packers safety Kentrell Brice to one-year deal. Visited Texans last week
â Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) March 18, 2019
Won't miss him at all.
Awesome news.
Ketchman had an interesting point on his blog this morning. He is pretty confident that Gute must have determined on his board that an elite edge guy would not be there at 12 which resulted in his signing 2 OLB FA's. He also thinks Gute will go heavy O in April.
Bad Bob doesn't like Z'D, calls him Perry 2.0 and GB overpaid for him. He does really like Preston though.
Gravedigger:
Again, with OLB locked down I'd like to see an early pick at CB.
It's Ground Hog Day all over again!
DH13 posted:Ketchman had an interesting point on his blog this morning. He is pretty confident that Gute must have determined on his board that an elite edge guy would not be there at 12 which resulted in his signing 2 OLB FA's. He also thinks Gute will go heavy O in April.
Bad Bob doesn't like Z'D, calls him Perry 2.0 and GB overpaid for him. He does really like Preston though.
Quite possible we did overpay but I highly doubt he's as useless as Perry has been. I will be shocked if a TE isn't picked in the first two rounds.
Kind of surprised GB didn't resign BB. Not a smart move... Hey, lets draft CB's again!!!
DH13 posted:Bad Bob doesn't like Z'D, calls him Perry 2.0 and GB overpaid for him. He does really like Preston though.
Z'Darious Smith has started 59 out of 64 possible games. He also had 60 QB pressures and 25 QB hurries. He and Preston Smith have a major difference when it comes to Perry.
They show up to play.
vikings G Nick Easton signed with the saints. I heard he took less money to do so......
This leaves the vikings with 1 guard under contract, the rock solid Danny Isidora.
MNPackman posted:vikings G Nick Easton signed with the saints. I heard he took less money to do so......
This leaves the vikings with 1 guard under contract, the rock solid Danny Isidora.
That's gotta be Fake News! Everyone knows no one signs for less unless they are signing with the Queens. Everyone wants to be there!
Vicks should have a good shot at Cody Ford in R1.
Pakrz posted:Vicks should have a good shot at Cody Ford in R1.
Here's a mock that has us taking him.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/...-round-2-to-find-qb/
Damn... Ford, Risner and Rapp. Tough to argue with that.
Sucks to be Minnesota. I'm sure there will be a sweet QB upgrade sitting there for them.
Dora the Explorer is going is going to be in the trenches for purple & gold?
Nice.
S Curtis Riley, who started every game for the Giants last season, visited the Packers today, per source. He snagged 4 interceptions last season.
â Field Yates (@FieldYates) March 18, 2019
michiganjoe posted:S Curtis Riley, who started every game for the Giants last season, visited the Packers today, per source. He snagged 4 interceptions last season.
â Field Yates (@FieldYates) March 18, 2019
michiganjoe posted:S Curtis Riley, who started every game for the Giants last season, visited the Packers today, per source. He snagged 4 interceptions last season.
â Field Yates (@FieldYates) March 18, 2019
https://giantswire.usatoday.co...missed-tackles-2018/
#Giants free agent safety Curtis Riley left his #Packers visit without a contract and the two sides aren't negotiating a deal. Appears both sides will seek other options for now.
â Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) March 18, 2019
Packers make error in cap space
If true no more FA I would think
Ugh. Checking the numbers, the only salary that stands out as potential dead weight is Tramon Williams. Cutting him would free up about $4 million.
Just saying. 36 years old. Has to be his last year. Iâd bet theyâll be looking real hard at his potential replacement in camp.
Slobknocker posted:Packers make error in cap space
If true no more FA I would think
DWIGHT SCHRUTE EVERYBODY!
How much more in-f'in-ept does Murphy have to be before he is shit canned? Really killing it there ol' Murph. Good thing you kept Vice President of Jockstrap Acquisition and Implementation on staff!
Pretty much done with FA. Didn't need Breeland anyways. Who needs solid depth and rotation with Clay?
I don't know that I'd go off yet, Henry.
It makes little sense to me; the Packers have managed the salary cap very well since it began and it's hard to imagine a $20M-$30M "miscalculation".
Also, who 'discovered' this? Was the team notified by the league, or was it strictly in-house? Unless a "source" has paperwork related to either, it's dubious.
If it turns out to have any truth, I'll hold Murphy for you while you drop-kick him right square in the nuts.
Whoever is responsible, be it the NFL or the Packers, is already affecting the FA period. Breeland is signed. They walked away from a safety prospect. They can't approach anyone when this would be a great time for mid tier guys to help with depth. You discover a cap error in the middle of FA?! WTF!
The article says it could be the media who had it wrong, not the Packers.
He's not off. He knows exactly how much space they have. Our information isn't in real-time and isn't what the league calculates. It's based on info from the player's union and it's not necessarily up to date. https://t.co/j68ylXmkA3
â Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) March 18, 2019
This feels so Viking-like.