Hum the alphabet, when you're headed down south.

Oh! Right....Free Agency....

CJ Moseley & a couple OG's please - wouldn't mind a good value FA at WR & TE either like a John Brown or Tyler Eifert. I know about Eifert's injury history but damn if that guy could stay healthy, he'd be a superstar

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Hum the alphabet, when you're headed down south.

Oh! Right....Free Agency....

CJ Moseley & a couple OG's please - wouldn't mind a good value FA at WR & TE either like a John Brown or Tyler Eifert. I know about Eifert's injury history but damn if that guy could stay healthy, he'd be a superstar

No players made of glass please. 

I'm a bit out of touch with who is expected to be tagged and who isn't.  I'm going to assume guys like Clowney and Ford will be tagged.  

I think GB can fill a few holes with some quality dudes though.  I like Preston Smith (OLB), Earl Thomas (S), Landon Collins (S), Tyrann Mathieu (S), Trent Brown (OT), CJ Mosely (MLB), Za'Darius Smith (OLB), etc... 

Gotta be able to snag a few dudes.  Who ya got your eye on?

pkr_north posted:
michiganjoe posted:

Wonder who he will go into the HOF as - probably a Panther...

You're joking, right. There is no "team designation" in NFL hall of fame...

Source: The Miami Herald - Barry Jackson

Updating a previous report, Darren Rizzi has agreed to join the New Orleans Saints as their special-teams coordinator, a source reported Friday, Feb. 1.

I have NFI why the Packers didn't hire this guy - Murphy didn't think he was a "good fit" I guess....Whatever TF that means

I'm warming up to digger's theory Pettine doesn't need to focus resources on OLB.  If your highest rated prospect at #12 is an OLB then take him.  If not then go DL, OL, ILB, TE whatever.  Our DL will be the engine for pass rush and we need more talent behind them.  Go after Mosely if he's not tagged.

I was responding to someone posting an OLB strategy that disappeared.

CUPackFan posted:

How I'd fix the Packers OLB problem:

1) Cut Nick Perry.  This guy played the financial game right - showed just enough in his first 4 years to make his 5th season look like a break out and cash in on free agency, only to revert back to the injury plagued player he was early in his career once he got the money.  Big cap hit here but they just need him gone.   

There's been a repeated story about Perry and his practice habits under MM and Moss. Apparently, well, there wasn't much of them. Story goes Perry was lazy as fu** during closed practices and barely did anything. MM would coddle him using Perry's latest umpteenth injury as an excuse and Moss turned the other way and didn't give a shit. 

It rubbed a lot of other guys the wrong way who actually, you know, practiced and practiced hard yet weren't getting playing time. 

Seems like we're hearing more and more about the complacency under MM in his later years. And the more we hear, the more I'm shaking my head. 

packerboi posted:
CUPackFan posted:

How I'd fix the Packers OLB problem:

1) Cut Nick Perry.  This guy played the financial game right - showed just enough in his first 4 years to make his 5th season look like a break out and cash in on free agency, only to revert back to the injury plagued player he was early in his career once he got the money.  Big cap hit here but they just need him gone.   

There's been a repeated story about Perry and his practice habits under MM and Moss. Apparently, well, there wasn't much of them. Story goes Perry was lazy as fu** during closed practices and barely did anything. MM would coddle him using Perry's latest umpteenth injury as an excuse and Moss turned the other way and didn't give a shit. 

It rubbed a lot of other guys the wrong way who actually, you know, practiced and practiced hard yet weren't getting playing time. 

Seems like we're hearing more and more about the complacency under MM in his later years. And the more we hear, the more I'm shaking my head. 

Wow!  I am kind of scratching my head as to why you coddle someone who is constantly hurt and never sees the field.   I was strongly on the keep MM camp but the more I hear and read I was totally wrong.

As for Perry's cap hit I could be wrong (and please correct me if I am) but wouldn't the dead money hit be over 10M? I would like to see the guy gone but can they afford to do that?

This was a MM quote on excusing Perry's lackluster play despite playing in all 8 games to this point in the season. He had 1.5 sacks at this point. Many were wondering if Perry was still injured, then why does he keep starting. And keep sucking..

DH13 posted:

I'm warming up to digger's theory Pettine doesn't need to focus resources on OLB.  If your highest rated prospect at #12 is an OLB then take him.  If not then go DL, OL, ILB, TE whatever.  Our DL will be the engine for pass rush and we need more talent behind them.  Go after Mosely if he's not tagged.

I was responding to someone posting an OLB strategy that disappeared.

GD is a dumdum.  

Dom Capers sucks! 

I’d like to see FA bring in bulk mid tier guys including OLB.  Get your superstars in the draft especially with all the defensive talent available. 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/...aced-injured-reserve

The Packers structured Perry's most recent contract, which contained an $18.5 million signing bonus, so that they could move on after the 2018 season and actually gain salary-cap space. Perry is due a $4.8 million roster bonus if he's on the team on the third day of the league year in 2019, so if the Packers cut him before that March date they would wipe that and his $5.2 million base salary off their cap.

They would have to count the remaining prorated portion of his signing bonus against their cap, but could defer some of that by designating him as a June 1 cut. If they cut him without the June 1 designation, they would save $3.6 million off their 2019 cap. If they used that designation, they would save $11.1 million.

Perry has $11.1m of dead money if cut this year, which can be spread over 2019 ($3.7M) and 2020 ($7.4m).  If he's back, Packers owe him $10.6m in salary and bonuses, making him a $14.3m cap hit in 2019.  It sucks but I'd rather take the cap hit rather than pay him another dime this year.  I was all for bringing him back after his contract year but I was wrong.  

You draft OLB at 12.  Polite, Sweat or Ferrell will be there... maybe a few others that creep up on boards.  That position has the ability to single handedly change the landscape of a defense.  It's why the best pass rushers in the NFL never see FA.  The only way to get them is in the draft.  Take a ****ing OLB at 12!!

Henry posted:

GD is a dumdum.  

Dom Capers sucks! 

I’d like to see FA bring in bulk mid tier guys including OLB.  Get your superstars in the draft especially with all the defensive talent available. 

Shows how much you know, there’s a bidding war for Dom Capers services right now. He’s already turned down the DC role with the Bengals and two other teams want him. Suck on that, bonerz. 

Pakrz posted:

You draft OLB at 12.  Polite, Sweat or Ferrell will be there... maybe a few others that creep up on boards.  That position has the ability to single handedly change the landscape of a defense.  It's why the best pass rushers in the NFL never see FA.  The only way to get them is in the draft.  Take a ****ing OLB at 12!!

This

Grave Digger posted:
Henry posted:

GD is a dumdum.  

Dom Capers sucks! 

I’d like to see FA bring in bulk mid tier guys including OLB.  Get your superstars in the draft especially with all the defensive talent available. 

Shows how much you know, there’s a bidding war for Dom Capers services right now. He’s already turned down the DC role with the Bengals and two other teams want him. Suck on that, bonerz. 

Fantasy

I mean, I guess since Dorsey drafted him, you can see the connection but this was one of the few concerns with Dorsey coming back as a GM to the Packers. That character and who you were off the field didn’t matter nearly as much as winning. 

See Tyrick Hill, etc. 

As much as I love the Packers, cheering for scrot bags who beat women, including pregnant ones isn’t my thing. 

packerboi posted:

I mean, I guess since Dorsey drafted him, you can see the connection but this was one of the few concerns with Dorsey coming back as a GM to the Packers. That character and who you were off the field didn’t matter nearly as much as winning. 

See Tyrick Hill, etc. 

As much as I love the Packers, cheering for scrot bags who beat women, including pregnant ones isn’t my thing. 

You mean like Letroy Guion?

https://profootballtalk.nbcspo...charges-in-the-past/

 

MichiganPacker posted:
packerboi posted:

I mean, I guess since Dorsey drafted him, you can see the connection but this was one of the few concerns with Dorsey coming back as a GM to the Packers. That character and who you were off the field didn’t matter nearly as much as winning. 

See Tyrick Hill, etc. 

As much as I love the Packers, cheering for scrot bags who beat women, including pregnant ones isn’t my thing. 

You mean like Letroy Guion?

https://profootballtalk.nbcspo...charges-in-the-past/

 

I never got the feeling that Ahman Green had a nice sensitive soft touch with women either.   The good news was... there never was any film footage of him beating anybody.  I believe he had a couple of accusations against him which definitely made me always wonder if behind the scenes he could be a raging tyrant towards whomever he was with. 

They are reportedly giving up a mid round pick to get Flacco. Horseface may go OL or somewhere else, but would you really be putting your chips into the middle of the table that Flacco is your guy?

He hasn't looked like a starting QB in years. And years. 

This likely means Case Keenum is out the door. Now he'd be in an intriguing back up to #12. 

skully posted:

Good move for Elway ?

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/...offseason-qb-market/

Nick Foles, and Derrick Carr will be next.

I think this is a decent move for Elway.  It gives him a veteran QB who has won before and who IMHO is vastly under rated.  Not a top 5 QB but a pretty good one if he has the players around him.  

Now I think Foles kind of sets the market.  If he goes to say Jacksonville and the Giants take Haskins that kind of leaves Miami, Oakland (if they get rid of Carr) and probably the Redskins as the most QB needy teams.  I would think that one of those teams will go hard after Foles.  

Which brings me to a thought.  So if the Redskins want their QB in the first round they may want to get in front of the Dolphins who pick at #13 right after the Packers.  Perhaps Gute could pick up some extra picks and move down to the Skins spot.  

 

Flacco's rankings at QB out of 36 QB's with at least 1000 attempts, per ESPN since winning the SB. He was the 4th highest paid QB in football:

Cash value$124M4th
TD-Int ratio1.4:134th <<
1st down pct.31%35th <<
Yards per att.6.535th <<



That's some pretty consistently shit numbers over the last few years. 

packerboi posted:

This likely means Case Keenum is out the door. Now he'd be in an intriguing back up to #12. 

Then what do you do with Boyle? 

It's rare teams keep 3 QB's now even though the Pack did last year. I think they'll still give Kizer a shot too. 

Flacco is barely an upgrade over Keenum. Upgrade in arm strength only. I actually think Keenum is a better QB without the physical tools. 

Elway is reaching again for Manning-like magic. Guy is too impatient to find and develop a franchise QB, so he keeps hoping to find a one-year spark of magic in a retread. 

If Keenum lands in GB, I'd rather keep Boyle than Kizer. Kizer is another Hundley clone that MM seemed to fall in love with, like Wallace, V. Young. MM wanted a QB who could run, but he kept choosing guys who could only run and not pass.

GBFanForLife posted:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/...aced-injured-reserve

The Packers structured Perry's most recent contract, so that they could move on after the 2018 season and actually gain salary-cap space. 

They would have to count the remaining prorated portion of his signing bonus against their cap, but could defer some of that by designating him as a June 1 cut. If they cut him without the June 1 designation, they would save $3.6 million off their 2019 cap. If they used that designation, they would save $11.1 million.

I can't imagine why they would keep him - June 1st designated cut $11.1 million. YES!

I'm thinking big in FA this year - Clowney & Landon Collins or Earl Thomas

Hungry5 posted:

Just another angry bald man.

Screenshot_20190214-080612_Twitter

why do people think putting stuff like this out in the public sphere serves any purpose?   talk about dumbing down...
"I'm so offended.  I'm going twit about it - that'll show those anonymous people!  This will not stand!"   - said every moron.

I never understood the need to have a Twitter, Facebook or other social media account. Timesfour and a few other comments sections in Packer sites is about all I can handle. Why would one subject oneself to such blathering? And then get offended when some anonymous jerk reply’s?

Sports and entertainment figures don’t need these accounts anyway. 

Per sports gambling website BetOnline.AG:

Antonio Brown team first game of 2019 season

Arizona Cardinals 4/1
Green Bay Packers 9/2
Miami Dolphins 5/1
Oakland Raiders 5/1
San Francisco 49ers 5/1
Indianapolis Colts 7/1
New York Jets 10/1
Washington Redskins 10/1
Cleveland Browns 12/1
Baltimore Ravens 20/1

"why do people think putting stuff like this out in the public sphere serves any purpose?   talk about dumbing down..."

 

Because followers, likes, retweets, etc are the medium of exchange for people who only produce words.

The irony of that tweet is heavy. Why write about stuff that doesn't matter?

 

Well, he does have a pretty weird head.  

I would challenge your assertion about only producing words.  Writers produce words in the form of prose or journalism.  Most of social media is merely is recycled or plagiaristic group think.   

DH13 posted:

Rumors are OAK will extend Carr.

Too bad DEN won't be taking a QB now in RD1.

I don't think this precludes Broncos from taking a QB in the draft. Their giving up a 4th. They may be looking for someone other than Keenum to mentor a rookie QB in R1. It would be strange if Flacco had to do this again, but I doubt he has much say in the matter.

packerboi posted:

Per sports gambling website BetOnline.AG:

Antonio Brown team first game of 2019 season

Arizona Cardinals 4/1
Green Bay Packers 9/2
Miami Dolphins 5/1
Oakland Raiders 5/1
San Francisco 49ers 5/1
Indianapolis Colts 7/1
New York Jets 10/1
Washington Redskins 10/1
Cleveland Browns 12/1
Baltimore Ravens 20/1

YESSSS!! After they nailled the Khalil Mack and Josh McDaniels odds I’m sure to put a huge wager on this one!!

packerboi posted:

Per sports gambling website BetOnline.AG:

Antonio Brown team first game of 2019 season

Arizona Cardinals 4/1
Green Bay Packers 9/2
Miami Dolphins 5/1
Oakland Raiders 5/1
San Francisco 49ers 5/1
Indianapolis Colts 7/1
New York Jets 10/1
Washington Redskins 10/1
Cleveland Browns 12/1
Baltimore Ravens 20/1

Just what our young, first year head coach needs....a team cancer diva WR. 

Ya, Brown would be a hell of a risk. Complete boom or bust in terms of team chemistry. 

Found it interesting his 2019 salary is about 12 mil. The Steelers, even in a trade, will still have to eat a lot of his cap number, which I believe is about 21 mil. 

Most pundits are guessing the Steelers will settle for a 2nd or 3rd 

Pitt's TE Jesse James is a FA.  Bring him.  He's only 25 years old and 6' 7''.

Brown leaving practice, then skipping the next practice, then showing up expecting to play, is just so weird.  That is some extreme shit.  You have to doubt whether he's going to just stop acting like that.

Twitter isn't just for social media.  You can follow pretty much any news source in existence.  It's how I keep up on trade (my job) news and other interests.  And there are a handful of really smart and or funny people I follow.  I never write anything.

If you're a passing game nerd, look up 'receiver school' on twitter.  Fascinating breakdown of route running.  I think they also have a 'quarterback school'.

Boris posted:

I'd take the shot for a 3rd rounder on Brown opposite D. Adams

Without any hesitation at all - especially for a 12 million dollar cap hit. The only caveat would be if there was any clear domestic violence problems - then I wouldn't want any part of it.

Otherwise, could anybody seriously argue that having Antonio Brown for a couple of years wouldn't be worth trading Oren Burks, Kyler Fackrell, Motravius Adams, Ty Montgomery, or Richard Rodgers for? Because those are the last 5 3rd round picks for the Packers.

His 12 million dollar cap hit is less than Jimmy Graham's next year.

I don't see if as that big a risk. The worst that happens is that he comes in and blows up and you have to cut him. It would be the same thing as if he got hurt in the first game. Would you be that worried about him poisoning the culture? In all seriousness, they could use someone to shake things up like that.

I think he's very likely to behave himself for at least a year. Let him arrive at training camp in a helicopter or drive a car that's worth more than the GDP of a small African Country. Who cares?

I also go back to the fact that Antonio Brown is being painted incorrigible as a terrible problem and a diva (of course he's a diva). His QB should have been in jail for multiple rapes, yet he is now some sort of perfect citizen?

 

Henry posted:

A lot of strawmen in that argument.  Not even sure how Rothliesburger being a pile of shit works into Brown not being a cancer in Green Bay.

I'd prefer the new coach to shake things up.

Fair point on the Big Ben-Brown dynamic.

The main point is that I think the reward greatly outweighs the risk, and the worst case scenario is that he does become a cancer and you cut him. I wouldn't sign him as a free agent for a 90 million in guaranteed money (a Khalil Mack type contract) because then you are stuck and can't cut him. But to get a Hall of Fame receiver near his prime for a third round pick and a 12 million dollar cap hit if it doesn't work out is worth it.

Ironic that the penultimate "players coach" Mike Tomlin is having trouble getting two of the best players in the league to play for his team.  Not saying its his fault, but Leveon Bell and Antonio Brown are arguably two of the best at their respective positions and they want out....must be pissing off Steeler fans to the highest degree.  

Steelers are going to get hurt on the cap hit if they unload AB, whether its before March 17th or after. 

A lot of posters here didn't want to pull the trigger on Mack last year. Draft picks were too important. I wanted Mack at any cost. We all know how that turned out! If Brown could be had for a reasonable amount you do it. As been stated, if he flames out you cut him. If you want the Superb Owl you have to take some chances.

A player that disrespects his coaches, teammates, and owner? No, thanks.

Way too much downside to overcome any potential benefit of bringing in a huge asshole like Brown. 
T.O. was a great talent, too, and we managed just fine without him.

I don't think the Packers win the championship without Andre Rison.  Then again, leaving practice and not showing up for the next one is serious stuff.

I wonder how Brown would react if the Packers talked things over with him and said, "We'd love to have you, but if you pull that crap here, we'll ship you out faster than a New York second."

One other thing.  I am too lazy to do the cap stuff.  That said, I still remain more concerned with o-line.

Henry posted:

My issue is taking away resources from building a defense and oline.  Brown isn't going to be worth the contract if Rodgers is getting murdered behind guys like McCray.

Agreed. You at least need competent OL. No more Spriggs and McCray.

The reason to look at Brown is that you get him without having go pay out a massive guaranteed signing bonus. 20-25 million a year for Brown takes too many resources away. 12 million is a lot more doable.

DH13 posted:

Twitter isn't just for social media.  You can follow pretty much any news source in existence.  It's how I keep up on trade (my job) news and other interests.  And there are a handful of really smart and or funny people I follow.  I never write anything.

If you're a passing game nerd, look up 'receiver school' on twitter.  Fascinating breakdown of route running.  I think they also have a 'quarterback school'.

I originally liked Twitter as a good, specific news feed but it over the top idiocy would always bleed into it.  Plus, I'm me so that's never a good combo.  Social media is pure pavlovian conditioning IMO.  Add some features to keep the morons off the feed and I'm good.  Plus, Neera Tanden is an anti-democratic POS.  If you didn't know that, she's POS and now you know. 

Point me out to some good foosball and gif feeds and maybe I'd reconsider.

MichiganPacker posted:
Henry posted:

My issue is taking away resources from building a defense and oline.  Brown isn't going to be worth the contract if Rodgers is getting murdered behind guys like McCray.

Agreed. You at least need competent OL. No more Spriggs and McCray.

The reason to look at Brown is that you get him without having go pay out a massive guaranteed signing bonus. 20-25 million a year for Brown takes too many resources away. 12 million is a lot more doable.

Yeah, a reasonable consideration.  Unfortunately, this

That seals it as a No for me. New contract? Forget it.

Henry posted:
MichiganPacker posted:
Henry posted:

My issue is taking away resources from building a defense and oline.  Brown isn't going to be worth the contract if Rodgers is getting murdered behind guys like McCray.

Agreed. You at least need competent OL. No more Spriggs and McCray.

The reason to look at Brown is that you get him without having go pay out a massive guaranteed signing bonus. 20-25 million a year for Brown takes too many resources away. 12 million is a lot more doable.

Yeah, a reasonable consideration.  Unfortunately, this

Henry posted:
MichiganPacker posted:
Henry posted:

My issue is taking away resources from building a defense and oline.  Brown isn't going to be worth the contract if Rodgers is getting murdered behind guys like McCray.

Agreed. You at least need competent OL. No more Spriggs and McCray.

The reason to look at Brown is that you get him without having go pay out a massive guaranteed signing bonus. 20-25 million a year for Brown takes too many resources away. 12 million is a lot more doable.

Yeah, a reasonable consideration.  Unfortunately, this

 

DH13 posted:

Twitter isn't just for social media.  You can follow pretty much any news source in existence.  It's how I keep up on trade (my job) news and other interests.  And there are a handful of really smart and or funny people I follow.  I never write anything.

If you're a passing game nerd, look up 'receiver school' on twitter.  Fascinating breakdown of route running.  I think they also have a 'quarterback school'.

I kind of do the same with twitter.  I never tweet anything out but I do follow things I am interested in on it and for me in my line of work there are some useful things I follow that help me.  

But, then there is the evil side of me that gets a huge kick out of the true idiots who tweet.  The buffoonery on twitter makes me shake my head and laugh at the same time. I swear we are not far off from being the society that was shown in the movie Idiocracy.  

Twitter is great because you can follow random shit like former Bengals WR Chad Johnson telling Devante Adams today he could cover Adams 1 on 1 because he’s studied DBs and then Adams clowning Chad that young men in the league can’t cover him but his tired old ass thinks he can stay with him because he has vet smarts. 

My goodness. Adams against Chad Johnson is nothing Chad Johnson ever wants to ever actually happen. 

Interesting group of non-stars that could fit in GB.  The OLB from WAS looks good for Pettine's D.

Packerswire Underradar FA's

Smith, who just turned 26 years old a few weeks ago, has 24.5 career sacks in just four seasons. But maybe the most attractive aspect of Smith’s game is his reliability. He’s never missed a game in his pro career, playing in all 16 games in each of his four seasons.

But it’s not just rushing the passer for which Smith offers value. The 6-6, 255-pounder is excellent in the run game. He finished as PFF’s No. 23 run stopper among qualified edge defenders and was the No. 19 overall edge defender.

I expected HHCD to be done with football after this past season.
Judging by his play, his head is anywhere but on football, and I don't know how he could expect to play like that for another 2-3 years.
I think we all know teams who have to put a warm body out there just to have enough players on the field, but given a choice, I'd opt for the warm body over HH.

When I think of Spriggs, I can't help of thinking of dudes like Allen Babre and Marshall Newhouse. Hardly what you would call stellar tackles and at best were average at playing the position, yet they hung around the league year after year. 

I could easily see the same thing happening with Spriggs. If the Packers cut him, it would certainly be understandable. But my guess is he won't be unemployed for long. Teams just won't give up on a player who even remotely resembles a OT. 

Also, this is nuts:

NT Kenny Clark: There’s no question about Clark’s return. The debate is whether the Packers should sign him to a long-term deal later in the season. They have him under contract for two more seasons, so it’s not necessary. But if he continues on this path, he’s going to be a star. He was on pace to play 80 percent of the snaps until injuring his elbow late in the year. He had six sacks, 10 pressures, three QB hits and three tackles for loss. Amazingly, he missed just four tackles.       

packerboi posted:

When I think of Spriggs, I can't help of thinking of dudes like Allen Babre and Marshall Newhouse. Hardly what you would call stellar tackles and at best were average at playing the position, yet they hung around the league year after year. 

I could easily see the same thing happening with Spriggs. If the Packers cut him, it would certainly be understandable. But my guess is he won't be unemployed for long. Teams just won't give up on a player who even remotely resembles a OT. 

Also, this is nuts:

NT Kenny Clark: There’s no question about Clark’s return. The debate is whether the Packers should sign him to a long-term deal later in the season. They have him under contract for two more seasons, so it’s not necessary. But if he continues on this path, he’s going to be a star. He was on pace to play 80 percent of the snaps until injuring his elbow late in the year. He had six sacks, 10 pressures, three QB hits and three tackles for loss. Amazingly, he missed just four tackles.       

Yeah they need to get ahead of this like they did Davante Adams. We can criticize late-term TT for a lot of things, but signing Adams to that deal was great considering his production in 2018. Clark's production is especially compelling considering the injuries we had to Mo Wilk and Daniels as well as the lack of production from the OLBs. He was THE guy teams had to gameplan for and he still produced. Lock him up. 

I'm willing to give Spriggs one more shot through Training Camp for the reason you pointed out as well as the fact that we're moving to a ZBS. He's a good fit for a ZBS from a physical standpoint, but again it's all mental. 

I'd like to see Spriggs without Cogbot - New O-Line coach & scheme might help - I at least want to see him in training camp.

Next to Aaron Donald, I believe Clark is the best DT in the league - he should be locked up contractually until he's 30.

Depending on how free agency and the draft work out I would be just fine with Spriggs coming in to camp on a prove it basis.  And I do believe that the ZBS is a little more finesse in nature and that might (emphaisis on the word might) be what may work for Spriggs.  I guess the bottom line for me is that if it was up to me I would bring as many OL to camp as you possibly can.

 

Goldie posted:

Dang it....looks like Randall Cobb is next to go......   

http://www.theredzone.org/Blog...sign-WR-Randall-Cobb.    Loved Randall Cobb....gonna miss him.

He really was awesome.......  1/2 a decade ago.  At least he did have 1 really good game last year that brought back old memories.   I think he has some football left in him, but I don't know that he's ever going to be an elite slot guy like he once was. 

The Heckler posted:

I actually think getting Clark extended sooner rather than later might be necessary.  Maybe not this offseason but I think for sure next year since you don't want him to hit free agency in his prime at 24-25 years old.  

He won't get away one way or the other. He's a franchise tag guy if it comes down to it but get it done later in the 2019 season.  Short of an injury his price will only continue to climb through 2020. 

YATittle posted:
Goldie posted:

Dang it....looks like Randall Cobb is next to go......   

http://www.theredzone.org/Blog...sign-WR-Randall-Cobb.    Loved Randall Cobb....gonna miss him.

link didn't work.

The Green Bay Packers are unlikely to re-sign impending free agent wide receiver Randall Cobb according to Michael Silver of NFL Network.

A stalwart of the Packers offense since being selected in the second round out of the University of Kentucky in 2011, Cobb has had some great years as Aaron Rodgers' favorite slot receiver including a 1200-yard campaign in 2014 but he has grown less and less effective as the injuries have piled up.  Cobb has not played a full 16-game season since 2015 and is no longer an upgrade over the younger, cheaper receivers in Green Bay.  The 28-year-old will try to rebound with another NFL team  after averaging 43.7 yards over his last 37 games.

Sorry....here’s the article as it was on  RedZone.  

We shouldn't forget about Geromino Allison either. Before getting hurt, he was really solidifying himself as the number 2 WR. In essentially 4 games, 20 catches, 303 yards receiving 2 TDs. He looked pretty damn good. 

In fact, had both he and Cobb stayed healthy, I really think Allison would have overtaken Cobb as the #2. 

We don't know at this point what Cobb's role would have been in MLF's O and know even less about how guys like Kumerow, ESB and MVS will fit.  Slot receiver can take on a wide variety of forms, if that's what everyone's talking about here.

I may have been one of the biggest Randall Cobb fans during his time with the Packers.  But, he cannot be counted upon to put together a full season without being injured anymore and if he is on the field you cannot invest big in a guy who has averaged 43.7 yards over his last 37 games.

But, I would be ok if they signed him to a prove it contract for say one year.  As Fandame said you need some veteran presence on a team.

The Heckler posted:

I may have been one of the biggest Randall Cobb fans during his time with the Packers.  But, he cannot be counted upon to put together a full season without being injured anymore and if he is on the field you cannot invest big in a guy who has averaged 43.7 yards over his last 37 games.

But, I would be ok if they signed him to a prove it contract for say one year.  As Fandame said you need some veteran presence on a team.

Although often injured, Cobb's had some great moments as a Packer:

- Rookie game 108 yd kickoff return; looked like nothing could stop him

- 2013 game-winner vs Bears to win the division

- 2018 game winner vs Bears to seal "The Comeback"

Hard to rationalize a big contract at this point but it's no wonder AR loves him.

Cobb's been key in crunch time many more times than the ones listed above.  But his body is betraying him now.  Sure it'd be great to keep him around for stability but I don't think the WR room has space for him with all the young guys we're trying to develop, plus I'm guessing at least one day 2 pick coming in April.

The Saints are rumored to be a potential destination for Cobb as well. If you brought him in at something like 2 years and 8 million, he'd be a great investment for a playoff team. If you're the Pats, Saints, Rams, Chiefs, etc. you'd bring him in as your backup slot guy/third down receiver and give him 4-5 touches a game and he'll hold up better. He'd be a tremendous guy to make a couple of play to make a difference in the big games and the playoff games if he was healthy. 

The problem is that if he goes for the most money, he'll sign with a weaker team that may give him 8-10 million a year and then up his usage to try to justify the investment. He'll have some good games and then get dinged up and be just like he was for Green Bay the past few years. 

WolfPack posted:

if Patriots,Chiefs or Saints sign him he could really do some damage.

I agree especially if he hends up in NE. I am sure if he went their he suddenly be healthy again and perform at his old level.  That is just how it seems to work with the Pats.  

Other teams to watch out for because they have cap room to burn is Cleveland (and all of the GB connections) and the Jets who need offense badly.  Buffalo also is desperate for WR help but not sure if they have the cap room or if anyone would want to go there.

As for the Saints I think they are pretty close to right up on the cap so not sure about them but if you put him with Brees? look out.

 

MichiganPacker2 posted:

The Saints are rumored to be a potential destination for Cobb as well. If you brought him in at something like 2 years and 8 million, he'd be a great investment for a playoff team. If you're the Pats, Saints, Rams, Chiefs, etc. you'd bring him in as your backup slot guy/third down receiver and give him 4-5 touches a game and he'll hold up better. He'd be a tremendous guy to make a couple of play to make a difference in the big games and the playoff games if he was healthy. 

The problem is that if he goes for the most money, he'll sign with a weaker team that may give him 8-10 million a year and then up his usage to try to justify the investment. He'll have some good games and then get dinged up and be just like he was for Green Bay the past few years. 

He will likely command more like 2 years/12-15 million in my opinion. He still has some juice, I don't think he's worth the 12M cap number he carried in 2018 though. Under 8M is where he needs to be considering he still has some positives.

ammo posted:

What the hell is Jerry feeding those guys? 

 

They were just following in the footsteps of Greg Hardy who Jerry signed despite the fact he had been arrested for domestic violence previously. This was that story. Based on this, I don't think Jerry would hesitate to sign anyone for any reason (other than, oh never mind). 

On May 13, 2014 Greg Hardy attacked me in his apartment. Hardy picked me up and threw me in the tile tub area of his bathroom. I have bruises from head to toe, including head, neck, back, shoulders, arms, legs elbow and feet. Hardy pulled me from the tub by my hair, screaming at me that he was going to kill me, break my arms and other threats that I completely believe. He drug me across the bathroom and out into the bedroom. Hardy choked me with both hands around my throat while I was lying on the floor. Hardy picked me up over his head and threw me onto a couch covered in assault rifles and/or shotguns. I landed on those weapons. Hardy bragged that all the assault rifles were loaded. Landing on those weapons bruised my neck and my back. Hardy screamed for his 'administrative assistant' (Sammy Curtis) to come into the room and hold me down. Curtis came into the room, grabbed me from behind and held me down. Hardy and Curtis then took me into the living room area. I wasn't nearly strong or fast enough to escape. I begged them to let me go & I wouldn't tell anyone what he did. They took me out into the hall, pushed me down & went back inside the apartment. I crawled to the elevator and ran into [Charlotte Mecklenburg Police Department]. 

RE: Gutes comment on Graham and non comments on Matthews and Cobb.

1 is under contract, so you speak positively. 

The other 2 are about to be FAs, you don't tip your hand.

But, lots of speculating on what Gutekunst meant draws readers in during a mostly quiet time. 

Any interest in Justin Houston since he's on the block? 40.1 cap hit over the next 2 years and then free agency. Had 9 sacks in 2018 and had a fine season overall (still a top 15 player at his position), but hasn't played a full season since 2014 and is 30 years old. Depends on what KC wants for him I guess. They need to offload his cap hit to afford Dee Ford's Franchise Tag, so it would seem they don't have much leverage. JAX got a 3rd and a 5th for Dante Fowler, who is younger and cheaper, but not nearly as good. Might take a 3rd straight up for Houston.

packerboi posted:

One of the all-time great throw and catches..

That was such a sweet dagger for a couple reasons: playoffs, payback for a similar Hail Mary by Eli when we lost to them in the playoffs and they still had a chance in this game until that destroyed them. Second half the Gmen were sleepwalking through it all.

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