Grave Digger posted:

As long as you're not counting on him to be your #1 receiver, he's a pretty good utility player. Definitely a return game upgrade. 

 

As long as you don't throw him the ball downfield, he would add a lot. Minnesoduh wanted him to play WR and he sucked. NE used him as kind of an H-back/returner/screen guy, and he found his role. If Patterson is willing to block at all, now you have a dangerous screen set throwing it to MVS or Adams or  Patterson. I can see a lot of different looks off that type of formation, especially inside the 20.

Snyder is a complete idiot who has way too much money.

Also, it's quite obvious most players only care about "gettin paid" & not actually winning. Redskins QB situation is a complete joke & don't tell me "But Boris....they just traded for Case Keenum."

If Snyder gives Moseley $20 Mill per - Silly season is obviously in full swing.

Floridarob posted:
Packdog posted:
Floridarob posted:

Trey Flowers to Detroit. 

Hopefully makes them less likely to draft a Pass Rusher at #8

they probably take one of the top TEs now. 

Not likely now, plus they are still feeling the burn from Ebron not working out for them.



The Snyders of the league are the ones who have whored up the cost of tags, and why teams have to pay mediocre QBs $30+M per season.
Another silent killer of the league. It's not a sustainable business model in the long term.
JMHO, others may vary.

Fandame posted:

Yeah, the Brown trade is cap hades for Pitt this coming year, but after that they automatically free up $21 million from Brown, plus this year is the last big hit for Big Ben at $23 million. They want to extend Ben—maybe—and would make it cap-friendly. But with Brown gone, I could see Pitt letting Ben play out the year, him retiring, and Pitt starting over with an awful lot of cap space. No Brown, Bell getting out, Ben is 37... time to reset.

Nice take.
I wouldn't be surprised if Pittsburgh goes through a transition like the Packers just did in the next year or two. Coaching staff, front office reorganization, etc.

The Jacksonville Jaguars added a new leader under center when they reportedly signed quarterback Nick Foles on Monday.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reported the agreement. Adam Schefter of ESPN added that Foles will receive $50.125 million in guaranteed money, with Mike Garafolo of NFL Network noting Foles' deal has a max value of $102 million.

Blake Bortles is expected to be released by the Jaguars after the deal is official, per Rapoport, who said it "will be a few days" before the quarterback is out in Jacksonville.

 

Floridarob posted:
Packdog posted:
Floridarob posted:

Trey Flowers to Detroit. 

Hopefully makes them less likely to draft a Pass Rusher at #8

they probably take one of the top TEs now. 

DJ Metcalf - As soon as he ran 4.4 - I immediately thought - He's a Lion pick. Lions or Bills.

Let me be clear... I understand there’s many, many more FA players out there that can help.  I’m not advocating that GB should be spending stupid money, however, lets not piss away AR’s last few quality years by pinching pennies and dicking around with mediocre BS.  

So apparently Earl Thomas wants 14 million a season.  I think there’s mutual interest between him and Dallas.  According to NFLN, Dallas wants to pay in the 8-10 million range.  I suggest GB make a move here but we know how that shit will end up.  

Pakrz posted:

No Collins... pretty sure no Thomas... no Mosely... No Gipson.  

This is a splendid beginning.

Patience, grasshopper.

These first couple days are the "shiny penny" days -- see a shiny penny and pick it up thinking you got at least a dime...

Boris posted:

Foles gets $50 Million guaranteed - Hey Blake Bortles is on the market

This is the guy I want. Should come cheap and has a crap ton of arm talent. He had no business starting right away and the coaching staff in Jacksonville was stupid for doing so. Nice low-cost/potentially high-reward flier. He'll need his lower-body mechanics overhauled but why not? 

Don't get me wrong, I want a couple of decent starters or solid contributors, but there's very little risk in picking up a project for pennies. 

I’m just thinking how much Petitine likes the big interior guys vs outside. Get him in the rotation at a fair deal and would be an upgrade over Mo? I’m already looking 2nd Tier guys. Not a bad thing. League shows that’s how you build. Maybe a smaller splash vs the High-Dive cannonball attention whores. Will be interesting to see how Detroit situation plays out next year. They spent a shitload of cash today.

Herschel posted:
Boris posted:

Foles gets $50 Million guaranteed - Hey Blake Bortles is on the market

This is the guy I want. Should come cheap and has a crap ton of arm talent. He had no business starting right away and the coaching staff in Jacksonville was stupid for doing so. Nice low-cost/potentially high-reward flier. He'll need his lower-body mechanics overhauled but why not? 

Don't get me wrong, I want a couple of decent starters or solid contributors, but there's very little risk in picking up a project for pennies. 

In a QB hungry league some desperate team will sign him to start IMO

I searched who the Packers have tendered this year and this was the first result...

“I know people sometimes pound their meat. I never do, and I am interested in what I am missing out on. Basically it comes down to a three part question:

Why is meat pounded, what is the result that one wants? I'd be happy to learn both the gastronomical purpose, and what really happens to the meat (fibres etc)
What types of meat should I pound? What types would possibly be a bad idea to pound?
What should I think of when pounding to get a good result?”

Tavis Smiley posted:

I searched who the Packers have tendered this year and this was the first result...

“I know people sometimes pound their meat. I never do, and I am interested in what I am missing out on. Basically it comes down to a three part question:

Why is meat pounded, what is the result that one wants? I'd be happy to learn both the gastronomical purpose, and what really happens to the meat (fibres etc)
What types of meat should I pound? What types would possibly be a bad idea to pound?
What should I think of when pounding to get a good result?”

So, in other words, Reggie Gilbert.

Goalline posted:
Pakrz posted:

GB has some young talent there... Not saying they’re set, but there are other places on roster where there’s much less talent. 

Jaire Alexander. That’s it.

CB is the most important position on defense, you can never have enough good ones. 

Goalline posted:
Pakrz posted:

GB has some young talent there... Not saying they’re set, but there are other places on roster where there’s much less talent. 

Jaire Alexander. That’s it.

No.  King can play if he is healthy and Jackson is heading into year two.  GB has some good young talent there.  Now they just have to pan out. 

pkr_north posted:

- did I read 6 yr 84mill for collins...wtlf is going on here?

It's been a splendid silly season so far.

I'm expecting Packers to find some value style FA's & not engage in over-spending for less value. (Like the Redskins)

Let's see what happens on Wednesday.

Pakrz posted:
Goalline posted:
Pakrz posted:

GB has some young talent there... Not saying they’re set, but there are other places on roster where there’s much less talent. 

Jaire Alexander. That’s it.

No.  King can play if he is healthy and Jackson is heading into year two.  GB has some good young talent there.  Now they just have to pan out. 

King?  He's played 15 games in two seasons.

michiganjoe posted:

Really glad Gute is taking a measured approach. My guess is when looking back only about 20% of these first-day high-money moves will look good.

They really need a bit more quantity of solid, reliable players than super stars at this point.  Need to find super stars in the draft plain and simple.

Guys like Gipson sure would've been nice but it's crazy how the first couple of days just pushes these guys beyond reach contract wise.

Nobody is saying purely draft and develop.  They need a lot of bodies and there are capable players out there.  Find your Ryan Picketts' and plug them in with high draft picks.  We've seen young guys produce big time, more than enough to win a Super Bowl.

michiganjoe posted:

Really glad Gute is taking a measured approach. My guess is when looking back only about 20% of these first-day high-money moves will look good.

Same here.  Spending like a drunken sailor in free agency right off the start has not always been the way to win (Look at Daniel Snyderbrenners track record).  Gute is taking the smart approach by not getting sucked in to cap crippling contracts.  I think we need to sit back and watch him work and he will sign players that he thinks fits the system for cap friendly deals.

 

the fa talent this year though does not reflect the insane $ they are getting.  the  top notch talent get tagged.  so if you take them off the tag, then you pay big$ but you have a better chance of getting a game changer.  only time this happened recently, like in a while, is mack last year and they had to pay, but the guy is a game wrecker.  brown and bell, those guys ... are headcases, talented but will flame out or take the team down with them.  the other guys were all average to above (a little) - but Barr is not worth that $, collins not worth that $, mosely not worth that $...Foles maybe but only because of his position and he has hardware.  i guess it s draft and low-mid level fa guys for gb...seems like we are used as pawns for these guys to improve their own contracts with other teams.

Chongo posted:

Dwight Schrute at his finest.

In their last three years, their major March signings can be broken down into seven bad signings and six good ones. While that number seems tenable, most of the bad deals were far more expensive than the good ones. For example, they paid out $47.725 million in guaranteed money in the deals that were deemed bad and just $8.625 million on the good ones.

While Ball remains the Packers’ contract negotiator, it’s clear that Gutekunst and his staff have wrestled away control of the decisions

Boris posted:

Yay! Pack signs z'daruius Smith!!

It needs it's own thread .

Great signing in my opinion. The guy is an OLB who is 6 foot 4 and 270 lbs. and can flat out run.  He is widely considered to be the Ravens best defender last year with 8.5 sacks and something crazy like 60 QB hits and pressures.

i think they should keep perry (oof).  this does allow the draft to have the lap fallers get snatched up, no matter where they are.  it really opens up someone on the OL / TE to be the picks, likely even a S / Pass rusher...or even ilb, all kinds of options now, i also think they will re-sign cm3 - so that's becoming a nice rotation, i think if perry and cm3 are not 3 down guys -they stay on the field for the full season.  

Pakrz posted:

PFT says GB is one of 6 teams in the running for Laveon Bell. 

I wouldn't have given this any attention previously but with today's dealings it really changes the complexion of where the Packers are going. Showing they want to win now brings all kinds of possibilities. The draft now looking to have lots of options.

The are add on offense, too. They’re signing versatile OL Billy Turner, source said.

Turner is a swing player who played both tackles positions and left guard. The showed interest in re-signing him, but the price was too high. He fits the wide zone type of guard the Packers are looking for and could easily fill the RG position.

michiganjoe posted:

And there it is...

FIFY

https://sportsinjurypredictor....ayer/nick-perry/5084

Figured Perry would be gone, and it's a good move for the Pack and for Perry.  He is better fit in a 4-3.  Good luck to you, Nick.  Hope you can get healthy.

No thanks on CM3.  He gives great effort in run D, but his legs are shot.  Would still like to see one more EDGE signing, actually, once the FA frenzy dies.  Maybe a one-year prove it deal or low-pick trade for another player on a roster.  Reggie Gilbert is at best a 5th EDGE, Fackrell should be no higher than 3rd/4th EDGE.

Packdog posted:

Was hoping for a OLB signing like Preston Smith, but sounds like he has several teams calling....would be happy with Z'Darius Smith as a fall back. Then get a guy like Tre Boston if the other safeties are demanding too much coin. Underrated. 

Hehe....Happy Days !! 

Gutelicious on the move !!  

Pikes Peak posted:

Looks like L Bell and the Bears are cozying up, don't like the sound of that.



Pakrz posted:

I give no shits about the money or this perceived “cap hell” some speak of. Rosters and caps are fluid. Sign players and f’ing win games. 

It’s time for a Gooty-call. 

Rodgers ain't getting any younger. 

Go for it now....if it fails.....then tank, get #1 overall pick for Jesus (Clemson QB)

John Pluym ESPN 

LB Preston Smith, who intends to sign with the Packers when free agency officially opens at 4 p.m. ET Wednesday, should be significant upgrade rushing the passer. Smith has 103 QB pressures in the past two seasons, according to NFL Next Gen Stats, ninth in the NFL and ahead of players such as Cameron Jordan (99), Calais Campbell (93) and Jadeveon Clowney (88).

50k Club posted:

We'll have to see how the numbers shake out for these contracts.  The Turner APY is pricey though.  Unfortunately, that is cost of drafting poorly and having to turn to FA.

I don't pay attention to contract numbers reported today. How the deals are structured, what the actual cap hits are, guaranteed/bonus $$, etc... all of that is the real meat. We won't know all that for a few days.

Pakrz posted:
Goalline posted:
Pakrz posted:

GB has some young talent there... Not saying they’re set, but there are other places on roster where there’s much less talent. 

Jaire Alexander. That’s it.

No.  King can play if he is healthy and Jackson is heading into year two.  GB has some good young talent there.  Now they just have to pan out. 

When has King ever been healthy? He's like Justin Harrell with tallant. Those kind of guys are always hurt. Their bodies can't keep up. Jackson is young so I will give him the benefit of doubt, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's a bust.

The Heckler posted:
Boris posted:

Yay! Pack signs z'daruius Smith!!

It needs it's own thread .

Great signing in my opinion. The guy is an OLB who is 6 foot 4 and 270 lbs. and can flat out run.  He is widely considered to be the Ravens best defender last year with 8.5 sacks and something crazy like 60 QB hits and pressures.

60????

Chongo posted:
michiganjoe posted:

And there it is...

FIFY

https://sportsinjurypredictor....ayer/nick-perry/5084

There were 2 things that worked against Nick Perry here.  1st, he was a little bit out of position in a 3-4 defense, he probably would have been at his best in a 4-3.  2nd, he was made of glass.  Neither was his fault, so I have nothing against the guy.  He did have his moments, but never seemed like quite as good as they thought he could be with the exception of one really nice year. 

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