packerboi posted:Maybe MM needs some lawn care help this summer...
Steelers released LB Jon Bostic.
Bostic started 14-of-16 games last season but played a modest 561 snaps, splitting time between the middle and weak-side. A pure run-stopper, he had a replacement-level year. Bostic's release comes after the Steelers drafted two inside linebackers, including Devin Bush at No. 10 overall.
Boris posted:Buccaneers release quarterback Joe Callahan https://t.co/92dpCKvR3Y
â ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) April 26, 2019
#1 overall pick from Wisconsin a few years back.
Did not know that Clay tried to work out some sort of deal to come back to Green Bay but the team wasn't interested.
Did Perry break his hand picking up the phone?
It was time to move on from Clay. Even with a home team discount he's a guy that's only going to continue to decline.
michiganjoe posted:
I have always "wondered" about him...not that there is anything wrong with that.
Right Henry?
YATittle posted:Did not know that Clay tried to work out some sort of deal to come back to Green Bay but the team wasn't interested.
We may never know the real storyline on him...but forever grateful for the "Spill em Pickett" leadership at crunch time for another Lombardi.
Long term though...I do hope to see him standing at Pre-season games like a loving old Packer fart.
Sort of like Henry around here...but without the lumps in his shorts.
Loved Clay, but he no longer had the combination of speed and strength to get around the edge, and he was never built to bull rush. That, plus he was an injury waiting to happen. He may put up some decent numbers this season with the talant that is surrounding him in LA, but I do not see him having any sort of "resurrection" where we all regret Gutterguts letting him go.
Perry will get signed by some team after Tuesday that's desperate for a lukewarm pass-rushing body. If they can keep him on the field, he'll be just like he was in GB -- solid, but never living up to the hype. He might have been better if he had stayed at DE like he wanted to... who knows?
But, with the Smiths and now with Gary, both were expendable.
Iâm fine with the Packers letting Perry walk. But there are a lot of worse players starting and playing than Perry.
Perry was a reasonably productive player when healthy. Problem is he almost never was.
It is a shame about Perry it really was because IF he was healthy he could do some good things. But the team couldn't continue to pay him big money for a guy who saw the field less than 50% of the time.
If Perry signs anywhere, one year vet minimum prove it deal. He'll probably have an awesome season.
if by season you mean 8-10 games... 
If you take injuries aside (and I realize that's a lot to put aside), both Nick Perry and CMIII no longer fit the body type and mold that Pettine wants in that defensive front.
That's why they chose Gary and Gutenheimer said as much in his post draft interviews.
They want guys who are tall ( >6'4), rangy, thick, fast and can really play anywhere along the DL. It makes it much more difficult for an offense to know where to line up their guys along the OL when you aren't sure who is coming from where.
Also, do not skim past the hiring of Mike Smith as OLB coach. He will be a huge difference maker under Pettine. The guy flat out knows how to mold guys into very very good pash rushers.
I think Pettine wants players who are disciplined on the edge. Clay couldn't set an edge to save his life. When he was younger he won more than he lost gambling on making a play, but in recent years he's losing more than he's winning on those gambles and giving the offense good opportunities.
I wouldn't call Perry undisciplined, he's been good against the run, but yeah he's just not very versatile. He can't drop back as an off the ball LB and he's not big/strong enough to really slide inside, so he's just an edge player...and not a particularly good edge player considering that's all he can really offer.
Except that Perry is/was in that mold. Gary is only an inch taller and 10lbs heavier. Perry just didn't have the athleticism Gary has. And Perry's time in GB had just run its course for all the reasons exhausted in this thread.
Perry, when he was at his best and not injured, was a really inconsistent player. He would get you 3-4 sacks in a 2 game stretch and then disappear for 5. And then hurt for 5.
Perry is a little under rated IMO. Dude is strong as a bull and could set the edge as well as any OLB in the game. Guy just couldn't stay healthy and I'm okay with letting him walk because of it.
Seahawks released veteran S Kam Chancellor and WR Doug Baldwin with failed physical designations. End of an era in Seattle.
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) May 9, 2019
Brutal blow for the Cardinals...
Details on Cardinalsâ CB Patrick Peterson being suspended six games for violating the NFLâ performance-enhancing drug policy:https://t.co/x6iDR9Zb9y
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) May 16, 2019
Say, hypothetically, the Cardinals were falling apart by week 6 and were looking to dump the salary of a guy like Peterson while the Packers were looking more like a contender by week 6 BUT Kevin King has been nicked up and Josh Jackson isn't looking like starter quality yet. At that point Peterson's cap hit would only be about $6.8M for 2019 and about $13M in 2020. He carries the risk of a full year ban for his next offense, but he's 28, he's extremely talented and has been pretty durable. Do you ride out the injuries with King and bank on Jackson continuing to improve or do you make a move to lock down the CB position?
I personally would be all in for a move for Peterson lock down corners aren't easy to come by and you can never have enough CB's IMHO.
The problem to me is could the Packers absorb that kind of salary cap hit?
Do it if he agrees to a restructure with stipulations put in regarding a suspension...if that is even possible. Great player, but definitely a risk!
Too much money and too big a risk.
Hard pass.
Don't forget about Tony Brown either. Might end up being a better corner than Josh Jackson.
Hereâs what we know about Tony Brown. His 40 speed is slightly behind his speed to pick up 15 yard penalties. Heâs a guy at corner like Jake Ryanâs a guy at LB.
I donât like that the Chargers staff that saw Casey Hayward as a FA steal saw Tony Brown as totally disposable.
Josh Jackson might be the third best S on the roster today. Kid has a lot of talent. Gotta be patient with Josh. If you subscribe to the theory college production is a predictor of NFL success then give the kid a little time.
Going to have to improve his tackling if you move him to safety. Agree with being patient with him, but he's been underwhelming so far.
ChilliJon posted:Hereâs what we know about Tony Brown. His 40 speed is slightly behind his speed to pick up 15 yard penalties. Heâs a guy at corner like Jake Ryanâs a guy at LB.
I donât like that the Chargers staff that saw Casey Hayward as a FA steal saw Tony Brown as totally disposable.
Josh Jackson might be the third best S on the roster today. Kid has a lot of talent. Gotta be patient with Josh. If you subscribe to the theory college production is a predictor of NFL success then give the kid a little time.
Put me on the list of Tony Brown doubters. He made too many bonehead plays last year.
Jackson started hot and faded as the season went on. He wasn't T-buck horrible, I don't get the hate. Pretty much had a standard rookie year for a DB.
Agreed. You'd think he signed some giant FA contract instead of being a rookie.
Not only is Jackson adjusting to the NFL, but the Packer Defensive staff needs to adjust in how to best use him. It was widely known that he was better in zone at IOWA and limited in bump and run...limited top end and much better facing the QB. Pettine needs to make it easier for him.
jackson will always be limited by his speed. Hope it works out better for him than the last two slow corners (Gunter and Rollins).
Not a good way to get noticed :
New York, NY - Green Bay Packers free agent Mo Wilkerson ran through a stop sign at 3:30 am, then failed a sobriety test. Arrested for OWI.
Disagree. Clearly chugged that beer way better than his QB did. Impressive!
Probably not on his way to a job interview at 3:30 in the morning.
Mo can throw any HOF aspirations out the window along with that pile of beer cans. They probably didn't print he was fined for littering and hoping while intoxicated.
antooo posted:Probably not on his way to a job interview at 3:30 in the morning.
drunk driving may kill a lot of people, but it also helps a lot of people get to work on time, so, it;s impossible to say if its bad or not,
â wint (@dril) May 9, 2014
antooo posted:Probably not on his way to a job interview at 3:30 in the morning.
You don't know that. Mo is so dedicated at his craft.
Chick where I work has an ignition interlock on her car due to a DUI. Didn't come to work Saturday because it wouldn't let her start her car.
Her name wasn't Carroll C. Hincks by any chance?
Goalline posted:antooo posted:Probably not on his way to a job interview at 3:30 in the morning.
You don't know that. Mo is so dedicated at to his craft beer.
a better narrative.
Jaguars sign Datone Jones.
ammo posted:Chick where I work has an ignition interlock on her car due to a DUI. Didn't come to work Saturday because it wouldn't let her start her car.
Taco Bell needs to up their employee game.
Pakrz posted:ammo posted:Chick where I work has an ignition interlock on her car due to a DUI. Didn't come to work Saturday because it wouldn't let her start her car.
Taco Bell needs to up their employee game.
Those are now mandatory in NV after 1 DUI.
michiganjoe posted:Jaguars sign Datone Jones.
he is very versatile. he can go from inactive to IR without missing a beat.
stupidest move of the offseason. and yet he persists....
I'll always remember Datone Jones for his claim that Brett Hundley was HOF material.
Iâll always remember Datone Jones for being a huge bust
who is Datone Jones?
Tdog posted:michiganjoe posted:Jaguars sign Datone Jones.
he is very versatile. he can go from inactive to IR without missing a beat.
stupidest move of the offseason. and yet he persists....
Shocker.
Some guys just build amazing careers. Terrell Buckley, Tony Mandarich, Barclay, Marshall Newhouse.
Redskins having trouble with starting LT Trent Williams, who wants to be traded. Wonder if they might like Josh Jones? They could use Safety help. Jone's speed would be enticing to them, along with his size, at a position that remains their top need.
Williams has made the last 7 Pro Bowls. At 31, would make a great veteran backup, assuming WAS takes on some of his salary in a swap. Willams has $11M and $12M in last two years of his deal there.
WAS would get a young high ceiling Safety, and we would get an older, proven veteran OT. Both have two years remaining on their deals. hmmm...
If they wouldn't take Jones for Williams maybe we can talk Bhawoh Jue out of retirement and trade him?
Wait, didn't we trade them safety help last year? Maybe they are on to us.
High ceiling safety? What the **** are you smoking?
Trophies posted:Redskins having trouble with starting LT Trent Williams, who wants to be traded. Wonder if they might like Josh Jones? They could use Safety help. Jone's speed would be enticing to them, along with his size, at a position that remains their top need.
Williams has made the last 7 Pro Bowls. At 31, would make a great veteran backup, assuming WAS takes on some of his salary in a swap. Willams has $11M and $12M in last two years of his deal there.
WAS would get a young high ceiling Safety, and we would get an older, proven veteran OT. Both have two years remaining on their deals. hmmm...
Why would they some of his salary? Too expensive for a backup
michiganjoe posted:Jaguars sign Datone Jones.
TT should apologize to them.
Trophies posted:Redskins having trouble with starting LT Trent Williams, who wants to be traded. Wonder if they might like Josh Jones? They could use Safety help. Jone's speed would be enticing to them, along with his size, at a position that remains their top need.
Williams has made the last 7 Pro Bowls. At 31, would make a great veteran backup, assuming WAS takes on some of his salary in a swap. Willams has $11M and $12M in last two years of his deal there.
WAS would get a young high ceiling Safety, and we would get an older, proven veteran OT. Both have two years remaining on their deals. hmmm...
You weren't being serious, were you?
PackerHawk posted:If they wouldn't take Jones for Williams maybe we can talk Bhawoh Jue out of retirement and trade him?
Wait, didn't we trade them safety help last year? Maybe they are on to us.
High ceiling safety? What the **** are you smoking?
Well, this safety will make Ha Ha seem like Ronnie Lott.
YATittle posted:Trophies posted:Redskins having trouble with starting LT Trent Williams, who wants to be traded. Wonder if they might like Josh Jones? They could use Safety help. Jone's speed would be enticing to them, along with his size, at a position that remains their top need.
Williams has made the last 7 Pro Bowls. At 31, would make a great veteran backup, assuming WAS takes on some of his salary in a swap. Willams has $11M and $12M in last two years of his deal there.
WAS would get a young high ceiling Safety, and we would get an older, proven veteran OT. Both have two years remaining on their deals. hmmm...
Why would they some of his salary? Too expensive for a backup
He would be Minnesota's dream player, but do they have the cap room?
Goalline posted:Trophies posted:Redskins having trouble with starting LT Trent Williams, who wants to be traded. Wonder if they might like Josh Jones? They could use Safety help. Jone's speed would be enticing to them, along with his size, at a position that remains their top need.
Williams has made the last 7 Pro Bowls. At 31, would make a great veteran backup, assuming WAS takes on some of his salary in a swap. Willams has $11M and $12M in last two years of his deal there.
WAS would get a young high ceiling Safety, and we would get an older, proven veteran OT. Both have two years remaining on their deals. hmmm...
You weren't being serious, were you?
Yes. It would turn out to be a salary dump for them, trading a 31 year old player drafted in 2010 for a former 2nd Round pick from 2017 in Josh Jones. There is value there for WAS, as opposed to an outright release, which he has also requested. It happens. You don't see that as a possibility? That's OK. Could be another conditional pick. Just found it interesting both teams have players requesting trades, and both teams have needs at those very same positions.
The Redskins really do need another Safety, and the Packers really need to protect Aaron Rodgers. Do you think Bulaga will stay healthy all season?
"a former 2nd Round pick"
Who the **** cares where he was drafted? He can't play and he wants to quit because he knows the guys that are ahead of him now can.
Washington probably knows he's a "former 2nd round pick". Unfortunately, they probably also know that he's a "current bust".
Lost me at "young, high ceiling safety".
They could only swing a 4th for Dix. Williams could be 75 and still have more value than Jones.
Err, the Redskins are not looking to dump Williams, Trophies. He is one of their best players. He is a disgruntled player looking to be traded. They ain't trading him for a can of half drank Old Milwaukee, and Josh Jones isn't even worth that much.
Is the Old Milwaukee cold or warm?? Makes a difference you know.
The value of the can increases slightly if you dump out the Old Mil. and commence to pissing in it.
I always worry about the potential backwash on a deal like that.
Full can or no deal.
Henry posted:Lost me at "young, high ceiling safety".
They could only swing a 4th for Dix. Williams could be 75 and still have more value than Jones.
What if we threw in Ruvell Martin, Robert Ferguson, and the rights to Joe Thomas...I'm assuming we own his rights at this point?
I hate snobs like you. Probably believe you can create even better urine with a full can, huh?
Trophies posted:Redskins having trouble with starting LT Trent Williams, who wants to be traded. Wonder if they might like Josh Jones? They could use Safety help. Jone's speed would be enticing to them, along with his size, at a position that remains their top need.
Williams has made the last 7 Pro Bowls. At 31, would make a great veteran backup, assuming WAS takes on some of his salary in a swap. Willams has $11M and $12M in last two years of his deal there.
WAS would get a young high ceiling Safety, and we would get an older, proven veteran OT. Both have two years remaining on their deals. hmmm...
Just imagine how much worse this take would be if Trophies didnât watch so much tape.
Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:Lost me at "young, high ceiling safety".
They could only swing a 4th for Dix. Williams could be 75 and still have more value than Jones.
What if we threw in Ruvell Martin, Robert Ferguson, and the rights to Joe Thomas...I'm assuming we own his rights at this point?
I'll raise you a Mark Roman.
I got a Roell Preston. Call.
Jesus H. Tough crowd!
I gotta a TE straight.
Donald Lee, Tyrone Davis, David Martin and DJ Williams.
Speaking of TEs, Packers claim TE Pharoah McKever off waivers.
Pharoah at 6-6 260 4.79 is a load. More in-line blocker and reminds me a bit of a young Mercedes Lewis. Not a lot of experience though.
We should know today if Josh Jones is going to skip mandatory MC. I'm kind of hoping he shows up and realizes his error. He could develop if he just gave himself a chance.
if JJ don't show up it'll cost him $14,000+ every day he misses. I expect he'll be here unless he's that much of a dumbass.
"He did not appear in a regular-season game with the Jaguars this past season."
They kept him under tight wraps.
The most secret of secret weapons.
Source: #Packers signed TE Michael Roberts via claim from the #Lions waiver wire.
â Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) June 17, 2019
Roberts was previously traded to the #Patriots for a 7th round pick but the deal fall after he failed his physical.
And put him immediately on IR
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm hoping we can add another TE somewhere along the line.... we only have 7. Really concerned about the depth there.
4 of the 7 were basically signed off the street, 1 is a raw rookie and 2 are rapidly declining veterans. Looks like quantity and not quality.
Sarcasm. Competition for the bottom of the roster. Gutey is at least doing his due diligence to know what is out there.
Source: the Packers have waived TE Michael Roberts due to a failed physical. He was recently acquired on waivers. Second time heâs failed a physical in a week.
â Field Yates (@FieldYates) June 19, 2019
They make it sound like a wild coincidence.
Former 4th rounder. Was worth verifying the health situation.
I am glad Gute is kicked the tires on Roberts. No harm in claiming a player and taking a look at him to see if he can play. I will give Gute one thing he doesn't sit around he is aggressive.
And he really likes TE's.
The #Patriots are adding some tight end help before training camp, signing TE Lance Kendricks, source said. He had 19 catches for the #Packers last year and will assist in filling the Rob Gronkowski void.
â Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) July 24, 2019
Heâs no Gronk
Cryboy News. Also New Orleans number 1 weapon in Michael Thomas not reporting either.
Itâs official. My sources tell me Ezekiel Elliott is not on the flight to LA. Again, he has until Friday am to show up at camp though. Players have chosen to fly on their own in the past #Cowboys #TrainingCamp
Packers sign RB Corey Grant? (Saw this on Facebook; donât know if itâs true, nor do I know who Corey Grant is!)
DT Mike Daniels for RB Corey Grant?
I haven't seen anything in the news. But maybe it will come today.
Grant, 27, went undrafted out of Auburn in 2015. Has spent last 4 seasons in Jacksonville (454 rush yards, 5.6 avg., 18 catches). #Packers OC Nathaniel Hackett would be very familiar with him.
â Jim Owczarski (@JimOwczarski) July 26, 2019
Confirmed by his agent.
RoyalWulff posted:Packers sign RB Corey Grant? (Saw this on Facebook; donât know if itâs true, nor do I know who Corey Grant is!)
Start with Bringing Up Baby or North by Northwest. 
Matt LaFleur on the addition of former Jaguars RB Corey Grant: "I know he's really, really fast." Grant reportedly ran a sub-4.3 40 at his Auburn pro day when he came out in 2015. LaFleur said offensive coordinator Nate Hackett, who coached him in Jacksonville, helped recruit Grant because he had other offers.
This statement is not true. He ran a sub 4.2 at his Auburn pro day. Think it was 4.18.
Seems like itâs a camp tradition to maybe finally find a ST return guy to flip field position.
This years guy is Corey Grant. Heâs got a legitimate shot at making the 53 with ST. Only because, as mentioned above, heâs really, really fast.
ChilliJon posted:This statement is not true. He ran a sub 4.2 at his Auburn pro day. Think it was 4.18.
Seems like itâs a camp tradition to maybe finally find a ST return guy to flip field position.
This years guy is Corey Grant. Heâs got a legitimate shot at making the 53 with ST. Only because, as mentioned above, heâs really, really fast.
Love it!!!!! Gutey is really focused to bounce up the athleticism in GB. Can't teach speed. I'd love to have a real, legit threat at PR/KR. Again. The thought of Beebe leading Des through the holes was pure magic on returns. Have missed that ever since.
Beebe teaches speed
Trophies posted:ChilliJon posted:This statement is not true. He ran a sub 4.2 at his Auburn pro day. Think it was 4.18.
Seems like itâs a camp tradition to maybe finally find a ST return guy to flip field position.
This years guy is Corey Grant. Heâs got a legitimate shot at making the 53 with ST. Only because, as mentioned above, heâs really, really fast.
Love it!!!!! Gutey is really focused to bounce up the athleticism in GB. Can't teach speed. I'd love to have a real, legit threat at PR/KR. Again. The thought of Beebe leading Des through the holes was pure magic on returns. Have missed that ever since.
Pistol GB posted:
Wonder what that registered on the Richter Scale?
Great. He can catch/run for a TD and have a made-for-tv celebration.
Lions cut Theo Riddick.
Fedya posted:RoyalWulff posted:Packers sign RB Corey Grant? (Saw this on Facebook; donât know if itâs true, nor do I know who Corey Grant is!)
Start with Bringing Up Baby or North by Northwest.
Might be Fedyaâs best post ever.
May you be spammed with 80's European pop videos and obituaries for the next 3 years.
Hateful, the lot of you.
Henry posted:Trophies posted:ChilliJon posted:This statement is not true. He ran a sub 4.2 at his Auburn pro day. Think it was 4.18.
Seems like itâs a camp tradition to maybe finally find a ST return guy to flip field position.
This years guy is Corey Grant. Heâs got a legitimate shot at making the 53 with ST. Only because, as mentioned above, heâs really, really fast.
Love it!!!!! Gutey is really focused to bounce up the athleticism in GB. Can't teach speed. I'd love to have a real, legit threat at PR/KR. Again. The thought of Beebe leading Des through the holes was pure magic on returns. Have missed that ever since.
Hateful. Henry, I'm... shocked. You freaking wanker.
Fedya posted:RoyalWulff posted:Packers sign RB Corey Grant? (Saw this on Facebook; donât know if itâs true, nor do I know who Corey Grant is!)
Start with Bringing Up Baby or North by Northwest.
Loved both of those, Fedya. NxNW has one of my favorite lines (James Mason).
Hateful. Henry, I'm... shocked.
AJ Green from Bengals Carted off field with foot injury
You would have a foot injury too if you had to play for the Bengals
justanotherpackerfan posted:Fedya posted:RoyalWulff posted:Packers sign RB Corey Grant? (Saw this on Facebook; donât know if itâs true, nor do I know who Corey Grant is!)
Start with Bringing Up Baby or North by Northwest.
Might be Fedyaâs best post ever.
I heard he wore shoe lifts.
Gute still churning the roster.
Wonder what's up with all the RB additions?
Packers Claim RB Darrin Hall, Release G Larry Williams
Williams didn't practice yesterday and he's likely just a camp body.
Timmy! posted:Gute still churning the roster.
Wonder what's up with all the RB additions?
Packers Claim RB Darrin Hall, Release G Larry Williams
Guteâs smart. He knows no matter how many you keep, they will all be banged up by Week 16.
At RB, camp bodies are live bodies by the end.
The film from Hall in college looks good.
ammo posted:Pistol GB posted:Wonder what that registered on the Richter Scale?
Can he do one forward, over the O Line? I like Olive. I hope he sticks around.
Hi nickname is Avalanche.
If I were writing his contract I'd add a 'no backflips' clause to it.
Not one to ever cheer injuries, but since this is a twat waffle and it's a former Packer who laid him out, I just may make an exception:
This will be something to watch https://t.co/wTIOr1e0XW
â Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) July 30, 2019
Twat Waffle. For reals. Nice.
Source: #Packers have claimed LB/DE Markus Jones from the #Ravens
â Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) July 31, 2019
Another "Jones".
Lit up DII, lets see what he's got.
Camp body...
Fandame posted:Camp body...
Disagree. He shows something he could get a practice squad spot
Packdog posted:Source: #Packers have claimed LB/DE Markus Jones from the #Ravens
â Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) July 31, 2019Another "Jones".Lit up DII, lets see what he's got.
Markus Jones was voted the national Defensive Player of the Year in Division II last season, and led the nation - all divisions - in tackles for loss with 34.5 (Next closest player in all divisions of CFB had 22) plus 17.5 sacks, 77 tackles, 13 QB hits, 3 FF, 1 FR and blocked 2 kicks on STs. He also won the Gene Upshaw Award. He's a DE who can readily with to OLB, and plays lights out on STs. 6-3 255. Markus led the nation as a Sophomore with 7 blocked kicks. Versatile...
The kid has a shot to crack this 53 man roster, especially if Oren Burks doesn't pull his head out of his a$$. Summers and Corbin are looking perfectly capable at ILB with Martinez, as advertised. Markus Jones is all hustle. Non-stop.
Great add by Gutey.
It's August 2nd.
I get the feeling Ty Summers is the new Vanillaface RunFastGuy.
And yet Markus Jones was cut by the Ravens on Aug. 1. Go figure.
heyward posted:And yet Markus Jones was cut by the Ravens on Aug. 1. Go figure.
Deferred compensation for ty Montgomery trade
Ty Summers is more than that, Henry. The only other "Elite" athletic rating in both SPARQ and RAS besides Rashan Gary. Came from one of the most highly regarded defenses in all of college football at TCU. After filling in at DE for an injured starter early his senior season the opposing coach heaped a ton of praise on Summers:
Had more tackles than both Devin White and Devin Bush coming into the draft, and he's 3" taller than both while nearly as fast, great in coverage. Been carrying his water for a while, but I think he'll be special for us.
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heyward posted:And yet Markus Jones was cut by the Ravens on Aug. 1. Go figure.
Sloppy seconds from top rated defense. As a Packer fan, will take it at this point
And yet Summers was a 7th round pick. You should see my pee wee football stats. I'm a first rounder.
Henry posted:It's August 2nd.
I get the feeling Ty Summers is the new Vanillaface RunFastGuy.
I also remember in the early days here...you were Butterface halfassedwittyGuy.
And look how that turned out.
YATittle posted:heyward posted:And yet Markus Jones was cut by the Ravens on Aug. 1. Go figure.
Deferred compensation for ty Montgomery trade
Only Wolf was THAT honorable.
Packdog posted:heyward posted:And yet Markus Jones was cut by the Ravens on Aug. 1. Go figure.
Sloppy seconds from top rated defense. As a Packer fan, will take it at this point
Tramon Williams was cut by Houston. Gilbert Brown was cut by Vikings.
Who knows why they released him, but former Ravens scout Milt Hendrickson is our new Director of Football Operations and I'm sure he's got a good idea who this kid is. Worth taking a flyer on Markus Jones, a player with some pretty serious skills.
I wonder why they let a player like that go too, heyward. Can't find a single thing on it. I mean, nothing...
Nothing wrong with looking at potential but lets not call guys starters or even making the regular roster on August 2nd. All of these guys are excellent athletes but the reality is many can't make the transition to the pros. Just the way it is.
oldschool posted:Henry posted:It's August 2nd.
I get the feeling Ty Summers is the new Vanillaface RunFastGuy.
I also remember in the early days here...you were Butterface halfassedwittyGuy.
And look how that turned out.
#pleaselikeme
You have to look up when addressing me. The pedestal is that high. Feel free to keep bringing it Elizabeth. This is your "A" game. I'm on auto pilot right now.
I'm going to stop derailing threads on purpose with my trolling. I promise.
Speak for yourself. I like Henry, and I'm always amused by the people that take him oh so seriously.
Henry posted:Nothing wrong with looking at potential but lets not call guys starters or even making the regular roster on August 2nd. All of these guys are excellent athletes but the reality is many can't make the transition to the pros. Just the way it is.
Oh, thanks for the schooling, Henry... Jesus F. So, you switched to Autopilot now? Guess it was the only way for that Idiot Airlines plane to correct itself from its deadly tailspin.
Trophies posted:Henry posted:Nothing wrong with looking at potential but lets not call guys starters or even making the regular roster on August 2nd. All of these guys are excellent athletes but the reality is many can't make the transition to the pros. Just the way it is.
Oh, thanks for the schooling, Henry... Jesus F. So, you switched to Autopilot now? Guess it was the only way for that Idiot Airlines plane to correct itself from its deadly tailspin.
So touchy. Second time youâve had a hissy about a legit observation. Trollinâ Trollinâ Trollinâ, keep that butthurt flowinâ.
I see Ty Summers as a possible ST demon and depth. Nothing wrong with that.
Packdog posted:heyward posted:And yet Markus Jones was cut by the Ravens on Aug. 1. Go figure.
Sloppy seconds from top rated defense. As a Packer fan, will take it at this point
I agree with this statement. If youâre going to take a flyer on a guy at the bottom of the roster Iâd say the Ravens camp is a good place to look.
Could you imagine a combo of TT and Ozzie in the same FO in their primes? I bet the Pats have a few less rings.
It was my Super Friday Special. Couldn't resist.
At this point, I think they're all camp bodies except Rodgers. It helps keep my expectations in check. 
The thing I'm 'seeing' is GutenChrist is bringing speed to the team.
Of course, that's no guarantee of success, but most of these guys can fly.
Also, it seems to me that he's not bringing slugs into camp. These guys seem to have solid experience, skills, and can play football.
In any case, I love the excitement this time of year. It's always fun to see rookies trying to make the team, the surprises at cut-down, and this year we get to see how our new coaches develop, and what they can make out of their individual units.
Trophies posted:Ty Summers is more than that, Henry. The only other "Elite" athletic rating in both SPARQ and RAS besides Rashan Gary. Came from one of the most highly regarded defenses in all of college football at TCU. After filling in at DE for an injured starter early his senior season the opposing coach heaped a ton of praise on Summers:
Had more tackles than both Devin White and Devin Bush coming into the draft, and he's 3" taller than both while nearly as fast, great in coverage. Been carrying his water for a while, but I think he'll be special for us.
The nock on Summers coming out of college was that he is horrible in pass coverage.
Henry posted:It's August 2nd.
I get the feeling Ty Summers is the new Vanillaface RunFastGuy.
The market demands it.
Markus Jones' draft assessment says not very big, not very strong, not very fast. Dominated weak competition.
Well that's exciting.
Here's your missing K.
Was it in the sofa cushions again?
grignon posted:Markus Jones' draft assessment says not very big, not very strong, not very fast. Dominated weak competition.
Good description of Henry in the Vikings suck thread.
13X posted:Trophies posted:Ty Summers is more than that, Henry. The only other "Elite" athletic rating in both SPARQ and RAS besides Rashan Gary. Came from one of the most highly regarded defenses in all of college football at TCU. After filling in at DE for an injured starter early his senior season the opposing coach heaped a ton of praise on Summers:
Had more tackles than both Devin White and Devin Bush coming into the draft, and he's 3" taller than both while nearly as fast, great in coverage. Been carrying his water for a while, but I think he'll be special for us.
The nock on Summers coming out of college was that he is horrible in pass coverage.
He's not. Former QB who knows how to set up an opposing QB to make a play on the ball. I'll add, I'd love to know where you got that. Summers is 2" taller than Bush, 1" taller than White and runs a 4.51 Let's compare:
Devin Bush stats
Devin White stats
Ty Summers stats
What? Are Bush and White horrible in coverage too? I guess so.... I mean, really? 11, 9 and 9 PDs? 1, 1 and 2 INT? Pretty big difference there between two top 10 selections and our 7th Round pick. I know there was an ass load of hype on White and Bush leading up to the draft, but, both of those guys are smaller.
Summers is super cerebral and as good an athlete as Bush & White. Hits a ton too. Whatever. I like the kid, thought he was a fantastic value pick in 7th Round, and I think he's going to be good for the Packers. It's OK if you don't. We will see.
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Comparing Summers to White and Bush is laughable - and this is coming from someone who agrees that Summers was an excellent value pick in the 7th round.
I thought he was referring to the Markus kid.
Trophies posted:Who knows why they released him, but former Ravens scout Milt Hendrickson is our new Director of Football Operations and I'm sure he's got a good idea who this kid is. Worth taking a flyer on Markus Jones, a player with some pretty serious skills.
I wonder why they let a player like that go too, heyward. Can't find a single thing on it. I mean, nothing...
Hendrickson was hired by the Packers before the draft so he wouldnât have any special insight on Jones.
grignon posted:Markus Jones' draft assessment says not very big, not very strong, not very fast. Dominated weak competition.
His draft profile also says: "Three-year starter who has been on a steady incline as a pass rusher over the last three seasons. Jones plays with good leverage and adequate play strength at the point of attack"
- Posted 31.5 sacks over last three years
- Uses early turn and angles to cheat the edge
- Generates initial movement with speed-to-power rush
- Good flexibility leads to consistent leverage for him
- Consistent with inside hands to strike and lift
- Can punch and play off blocks quickly
- Ready to shed and chase without lingering
- Feels play direction and responds with pace
- Multiple blocked kicks and punts throughout career
6-3 253... he's just got shorter arms than ideal for a DE. But, with the way Pettine uses these guys, I can see him at OLB, and as a developmental player to bring along for the ride if he shows well in camp.
He looked noticeably bigger than I thought he'd be - reminded me a lot of Mike Montgomery in terms of body type. Markus Jones did NOT look out of place at all lining up over LT. What the hell? Let's see what he's got. Worth a shot.
heyward posted:Trophies posted:Who knows why they released him, but former Ravens scout Milt Hendrickson is our new Director of Football Operations and I'm sure he's got a good idea who this kid is. Worth taking a flyer on Markus Jones, a player with some pretty serious skills.
I wonder why they let a player like that go too, heyward. Can't find a single thing on it. I mean, nothing...
Hendrickson was hired by the Packers before the draft so he wouldnât have any special insight on Jones.
Their draft process is not like the tests you used to cram for.... What? You can't imagine he was on the Ravens' radar? Maybe knew of the kid after scouting him blowing up some Division II ball? Hell, he broke a record blocking 7 kicks in a season as a Sophomore... They aren't going to scout that? OK
heyward posted:Comparing Summers to White and Bush is laughable - and this is coming from someone who agrees that Summers was an excellent value pick in the 7th round.
Why? Please do tell....
Trophies,
The number of tackles Summers had in his last two years are quite low.
Why am I not surprised? Crickets...
Here's a good article to help explain that stuff on Ty Summers:
https://www.star-telegram.com/...rticle222016830.html
And, another:
https://www.houstonchronicle.c...-to-TCU-13080344.php
And another:
https://247sports.com/college/...rts-today--134125935
All three articles, together, give good insights into how he changed positions when TCU's DE went down, and his injuries, his perspectives. He doesn't quit. Solid player and an even more solid young man.
2nd leading tackler at TCU in the Patterson era. Gary Patterson is one of the most highly regarded defensive minds in college football, actually, in any football, as NFL coaches regularly seek out his advice/strategies on how to defend opposing offenses. That is no joke. Injury and change in positions account for the dip in his numbers during his Junior & Senior seasons compared to White & Bush.
Summers' Sophomore season was his only full year playing LB exclusively, with any kind of knowledge/experience at the position. The dude is certainly versatile, and fits what Pettine likes in his personnel. His Freshman year was his first time playing LB, ever.
Really, read these if you want more of the whole picture. We got a gem with this kid...
Thanks Trophies and I will have a look!
I think you'll dig it after reading those three, phaedrus.
Here's an article on Gary Patterson (who convinced Ty Summers to let him turn him from a QB to a LB, gave him his TCU scholarship) and how the NFL defensive minds regard him (quick read):
So 32 NFL teams thought so highly of him he went in the 7th round. Your over the top homer logic is entertaining.
NFL.com
Weaknesses
- Movement skills on tape don't match workout numbers
- Lateral agility and change of direction is just average
- Below average as open-field tackler Hangs back waiting to bang with lineman rather than attacking downhill
- Too much reading and not enough reacting
- Comes off the field on passing down
Reoccurring theme in draft bios is he's a AJ Hawk type tackler and reacts poorly.
Ourlads.com
He struggles with route breaks in man coverage and will hesitate reacting. Often separated and chasing. Slow to read run/pass in the box. Can be too shallow in zone drop. Usually fits the right gap but reads tend to be slow. Not sudden downhill and can get tied up with a block. Was not used in some of TCUâs sub packages on long yardage downs. He is more fast than quick. Someone will see upside and like his speed. 2018 stats: 48 T, 6.5 TFL, 4 sacks, 4 QBH. OSR:4/15. Seventh round/PFA. (A-31 1/ 2, H-10, BP-27, SS-DNP).
He was worth the 7th round pick to be a ST ace and early down backup.
He he he... what can I say? I am a more positive person. Whatever you do you turdball, don't post the positives. The black clouds are out in force! Tryin' ta kill my buzz....!
I didn't draft the fuKcing guy. I simply did some research on why they drafted him, did about 18,000 hours of film study, and shared what I found.
I don't even care anymore, but I do know Gutekunst drafted Summers, Dexter Williams and Ka'Dar Hollman with his last 3 picks in rounds 7 and 6, and, they are all looking pretty fukCing good. We'll see.
Whatever you do, Henry, don't read those!
You should look up August objectivity. It's almost as if you haven't seen this kind of stuff before. Must be nice to be a perpetual 12 year old.
Funny, you call me a Homer, when this is what you see every time you look in the mirror....
No nudity on the main forum dipshit.
Buzz renewed.
Henry posted:You should look up August objectivity. It's almost as if you haven't seen this kind of stuff before. Must be nice to be a perpetual 12 year old.
You mean Iâd have an all-day erection?
Yeah, smURF.
Game on. I'm guessing you have kiddie pOrn in your collection as well.
Hahahahahahaha! Aw yeah Baby! Too good.
Edit for classiness because I'm super classy. Like all the time. Like Ty Summers classy.
Uhhh, NO!
I did look up August, and you might be onto something there....
Really, Henry, DON'T BE A DICK. 1st Commandment on the Tablet...
You call that "game???" You suck. You clearly took that to a bad place. I'm just tryin' to straighten 'er out.... All in fun my friend.
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Actually, I think it's Don't Poke the Bear.
But, yeah, you don't have any game....
You already did it.
My bad. I'll try to stay classy.
As a self-identifying black lesbian I find both of you offensive.
Are we wearing the same identities today? Embarrassing.
Yes. Blair, bringin' it. You should offer some lessons to Henry.
My guess is, and it's just a guess, there's just a teeny weeny bit of a gap on subtlety. (I'm being super classy nice).
Let's start here. Pull my finger.
I gotta go. Been swell.
Well now I just feel bad.
Henry posted:It's August 2nd.
I get the feeling Ty Summers is the new Vanillaface RunFastGuy.
Always gotta have one.
Niners cut Max McCaffrey.
Henry posted:So 32 NFL teams thought so highly of him he went in the 7th round. Your over the top homer logic is entertaining.
Bart Starr in 17th....Brady in the 6th.
Try again with the failed logic.
Which one is GOAT...you know which one I would pick...but yeah...blows up your argument with pure.....................elegance!
oldschool posted:Henry posted:So 32 NFL teams thought so highly of him he went in the 7th round. Your over the top homer logic is entertaining.
Bart Starr in 17th....Brady in the 6th.
Try again with the failed logic.
Which one is GOAT...you know which one I would pick...but yeah...blows up your argument with pure.....................elegance!
So 2 late round draft picks in the last 60 years prove your point?ðĪ
oldschool posted:Henry posted:So 32 NFL teams thought so highly of him he went in the 7th round. Your over the top homer logic is entertaining.
Bart Starr in 17th....Brady in the 6th.
Try again with the failed logic.
Which one is GOAT...you know which one I would pick...but yeah...blows up your argument with pure.....................elegance!
.05% of the time it happens every time.
BrainDed posted:Henry posted:It's August 2nd.
I get the feeling Ty Summers is the new Vanillaface RunFastGuy.
Always gotta have one.
Jeff Query
Don Beebe
Bill Schroeder
Jeff Janis
Jared Abbrederis
Jake Kumerow
Who am I missing?
I'm leaving out Jordy because he was way too good to fit the category.
oldschool posted:Henry posted:So 32 NFL teams thought so highly of him he went in the 7th round. Your over the top homer logic is entertaining.
Bart Starr in 17th....Brady in the 6th.
Try again with the failed logic.
Which one is GOAT...you know which one I would pick...but yeah...blows up your argument with pure.....................elegance!
12 teams in 1956. 32 teams in 2000.
Brady was pick 199 in 2000. Bart was pick 200 in 1956.
Stop talking. Again.
Lemme guess. Your great grandfather taught a young Starr how many moons away a Packard was by looking at its tire tracks.
MichiganPacker2 posted:BrainDed posted:Henry posted:It's August 2nd.
I get the feeling Ty Summers is the new Vanillaface RunFastGuy.
Always gotta have one.
Jeff Query
Don Beebe
Bill Schroeder
Jeff Janis
Jared Abbrederis
Jake Kumerow
Who am I missing?
I'm leaving out Jordy because he was way too good to fit the category.
Myles White
