Grave Digger posted:

Agreed, even if they don't land Thomas or Collins there shouldn't be any reason we go into next season with Brice, Jones, or Greene sniffing a starting role. It will be a major failure by the FO if we're starting Tramon paired with one of those guys. 

It was a major failure by the FO last season that Brice was starting. And you could even make the same argument about Clinton-Dix, who quit on the team late in the 2017 season.

If we take either Collins or Thomas in FA, we will still need to draft a Safety. One of the top 6 (N. Adderley, D. Thompson, J. Abram, C.G.Johnson, J. Thornhill and T. Rapp)  should be available with our pick, #44, in the 2nd round. Once the 3rd Round comes along, most of these guys will be gone.

What is Dee Ford worth. Pick 12?  pick 30? I would give them 12. apparently the 49ers want him too. I dont see them offering pic 2 for him and packers can top whatever else they offer.  Maybe packers can drop down from 12 in the 20s and give them that one while pickign up another in the top 3 rounds. 

Pakrz posted:

12 for Dee Ford is too much for me.  I think Jackson could make an excellent safety in time. He likes to tackle and has exceptional ball skills. 

Agree, 12 for Dee Ford is way too much. I wouldn't give up 30 either. As for Jackson, I thought his tackling was terrible last season.

Ford would be well worth a second round pick. He’s just 27 as well. From NFL com:

Ford is slated to make around $15.4 million on the tag in 2019, a price tag that the Packers ($36 million in cap space) and 49ers ($66.7 million) are clearly both willing and able to pay, at least for this season.

Rapoport reported Tuesday that Kansas City was willing to trade Ford for a second-round pick, as the 3-4 outside linebacker might no longer be as big a factor in new defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo's 4-3 defense.

While there are questions surrounding Ford's fit with the Chiefs, there's no denying his talent and upside. The linebacker contributed to a feverish Chiefs pass rush last season with 13 sacks and a league-high seven forced fumbles.

Green Bay has openly been in the market for an edge rusher, and Ford could be a defining member of Mike Pettine's defense with the Packers.

Not saying Ford is Perry, but the team needs to exercise caution with a guy that hasn't done it consistently. That's a lesson they should have learned from Nick.

IDK, if we traded our second pick I look at it like this (not considering the contract $).... the chances of a second round pick being as good as Ford within the next two years are slim, the chances of a second round pick ever being as good as Ford are below average. In addition, we have the 30th pick as a bonus, which we can consider the better replacement for our second round pick. Even if we gave up the 30th pick, we are in essence getting Alexander and Ford for Davenport (who the Saints took with our pick). 

I’m seeing that logic (Known commodity versus a crapshoot draft pick).  Lord knows we need heat from the OLB slot.  

Tough to complain about:

- Sign Landon Collins in FA

- Trade the 2nd round pick for Dee Ford

- Take Sweat,Ferrell, White, etc at 12

- Take OL, TE or S at 30

Talk about a night and day turnaround.

This is one of the best years in recent history for guys that can rush the passer.  An elite prospect will be there at 12.   That’s why I wouldn’t go too crazy on Dee Ford.  

Justin Houston might actually be the better choice.  He’s older, but has been more consistent and certainly won’t come at the same cost as Ford. 

 

 

I’m not saying they shouldn’t consider a guy like Ford, but I wouldn’t give away the farm for him either. 

At a minimum it will take a 2nd rounder to get him.  The Packers 2nd round pick this year is almost like another 1st rounder.  

Then there is the contract factor. When I hear “Von Miller” type money that’s a lot of guaranteed jack.   No rookie - even taken 12th- will come close to what Ford could get as an UFA.  

I would rather they spend big bucks on a safety like Collins or Thomas because they have a lot of decent options in the draft to get an OLB or LB.  Ideally, they draft a LB like White and trade up to get a pass rusher like Sweat.  

 

Pakrz posted:

There isn’t a single guy in the draft that has proven a thing in the NFL.  Dee Ford posted double digit sack totals in 2 of his last 3 seasons (He was injured and only played in 6 games the other year).  

You’re glossing over the “he was injured” part. That injury led to back surgery in late 2017. He also had back surgery in college. 

Pakrz posted:

12 for Dee Ford is too much for me.  I think Jackson could make an excellent safety in time. He likes to tackle and has exceptional ball skills. 

Tackling is not one of Jackson's strong suits.  He needs to succeed in the slot or he'll wash out like Rollins.

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