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@Henry posted:

1) There's a reason it's gone.

2) Quit making up bullshit in a thread where it doesn't belong.

3)  Don't be sad because I said your thumbs smell like OCD.

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@artis posted:

Totally legitimate concern about the front office. But concerning yourself only that it IS a situation, while refusing to acknowledge every facet that potentially played a part, is choosing what you want to see. For all the Colin Cowherds and Alex Smiths of the world seemingly backing the argument, there are plenty we can dig up who have said Aaron Rodgers- diva, impossible to please, wants to run the show, etc. That is what's moot at this point, especially in light of the fact that Rodgers outright loathes the gossip mentality from media, but has no issue using it to further his case.

Also interesting how we continue to hear solicited opinions from players, coaches, scouts, personnel people around the league, but pay no mind to the idea that Rodgers himself might exercise undue influence within and outside the locker room. Warning potential FA's that he may not be in GB could be taken as a heads up favor, or creating further damage to the organization beyond the scope of one's own personal situation. It's a matter of perspective. Is that Rodgers acting as the people's QB?

The confusing and clouded narrative is being allowed to run amok, yet still justified somehow because the FO is so blatantly incompetent. We can say it til we're blue in the face- they FUCKED UP. And yet, the one thing still floating around this entire soap opera continues to remain a huge question. What does Rodgers WANT??? It's been speculated to death, and even when he opens his mouth, it only leads to further speculation. I cannot understand how the argument that people need to do right by him could possibly fly in the face of the way he's conducted this revenge tour or whatever the F it is. Call it calculated, diabolical, ingenious, whatever. But saying the organization hasn't been up front and square with you while you willingly use back channels and slippery language and by your own silence encourage the speculation you know is sure to result has inflamed this well beyond the litany of screwing up his employers have supposedly done.

Seriously not trying to be a dick but I don't have any other way of putting it.

Summary: why doesn't Rodgers tell the fans what he wants?

It simply doesn't work that way and hence the reason I'm not particularly interested.  We don't know what's happening as far as discussions.  We as fans have a shaky outline but the one thing we can absolutely confirm since it's coming from all quarters is the FO fucked up in handling Rodgers and respect is the key issue.

The argument may take a different tact or flavor simply depending on whether one thinks there's a resolution or not.  I personally am in the not category so any particular minutiae in defining Rodgers character or actions is meaningless.  Hence, how the hell did it come to this in the first place?

I should add, how did it come this in the first place with a HOF MVP QB well within a Super Bowl window that is all but gone when he's gone.  To this very minute I am just gobsmacked on how fucking daft that FO is.  Not because of the Rodgers the petty, miserable, whatever whatever but because HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW YOU JUST FUCKED YOURSELF OUT OF ANY POSSIBLE CHANCE AT A SUPER BOWL BECAUSE "SHUT UP AND PLAY"?  Sorry, absolutely had to fake online yell because I'm still just fucking dumbfounded by it.  How are you so absolutely ironclad on moving on from Rodgers after 2021 no matter what?

That seriously is the major blood vessel throbbing behind my eye

Let all these threads die.  Got damn it’s depressing and frustrating and makes me want to fire down a gallon of grain alcohol or box of wine and fire up a big ass spliff.  

Then I look at the current Bucks squad that’s killing it, the scrappy and pesky Brewers, and the Badgers football team that is building a monster and we talking about the Packers?  Fuck them. AR can buy Hawaii and Mark Murphy can host Jeopardy for all I care.  They are all a bunch of selfish assholes.  

Best case for Love is to sit two-three more years. He has the tools, but appeared to develop some bad habits and is essentially still in rookie mode since there was no offseason last year. They're gambling either way, but why not get him the time to actually develop instead of ruining him before he's ready like so many other teams do to their young QBs. Heck I remember when even the Bengals were smart enough to start Jon Kitna for a year over Carson Palmer after the David Klingler and Akili Smith fiascos. Unless you get a Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck-type of experienced talent, not giving your young QB time to develop is a huge gamble,

@Tschmack posted:

Then I look at the current Bucks squad that’s killing it, the scrappy and pesky Brewers, and the Badgers football team that is building a monster and we talking about the Packers?  Fuck them. AR can buy Hawaii and Mark Murphy can host Jeopardy for all I care.  They are all a bunch of selfish assholes. 

Good for you.  Enjoy it. 

@Tschmack posted:

Point being, there are so many other cool sports to follow in this state other than the Packers.  Or at least something else to take your mind off this ridiculous bullshit.  

Branch out a bit it’s not all that bad.  The NFL will be dead in 10 years anyway given all their dog eat dog nonsense just as Mark Cuban predicted.  

BTW Tschmack, I get the sentiment and appreciate the enthusiasm but I've been pruning professional sports branches for years.  MLB, forget it.  NCAA is pick and choose for me.  NBA, just lost interest, which is weird considering I played a lot of buckets.  Never watched hockey.

So enjoy the jokey gif.

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Hey I get it.  I stopped watching MLB for a number of years after the strike in the 90s and contracting the Twins bullshit.   I’m certainly not a huge fan but enjoy listening to Uecker and I like CC a lot.

I’ve always been a big NBA guy and even more so with 34 re-upping with Milwaukee.  I didn’t think it would be possible but Giannis turned down the bright lights to stay put.  If they can win a title that would be awesome and BTW Fiserv Forum and the Deer District is phenomenal.  

Was a rough year for Badgers sports across the board, but the football team has added some elite level prospects and I think they are poised to rebound from last years debacle.

The Packers were the one bright spot for my fandom last year, but honestly I am so done with the drama and fighting and debating it reminds me of the build up and post 2020 election nonsense.  Call me naive but I thought the Packers were immune to some of the selfish me first step on everyone to get ahead mentality that is taking over the NFL.  Between the stupid rule changes, the constant replay reviews, commercials non stop, and now Tom Brady hired gun BS I’m really starting to dislike the NFL.  Even before C19 I was rarely watching or listening to anything non Packers related but hey whatever floats your boat.  

@Packiderm posted:

NBA sucks. Unwatchable. 3 pt FG has ruined it. Nothing but jacking up 3's and one on one offense. Little defense. Celtics fan since the 60's. Can't watch a Celtics game now even when they are playing well. Watched a few minutes of the Lakers/ Suns yesterday. Lakers look like a HS team at times. Junk

Different strokes. The NBA has never been more exciting. No more boring, plodding basketball.

@Herschel posted:

Best case for Love is to sit two-three more years. He has the tools, but appeared to develop some bad habits and is essentially still in rookie mode since there was no offseason last year. They're gambling either way, but why not get him the time to actually develop instead of ruining him before he's ready like so many other teams do to their young QBs. Heck I remember when even the Bengals were smart enough to start Jon Kitna for a year over Carson Palmer after the David Klingler and Akili Smith fiascos. Unless you get a Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck-type of experienced talent, not giving your young QB time to develop is a huge gamble,

And this was Gute's goal, to draft a guy who had the tools to excel in MLF's offense and let him grow into the roll.  3 years was a reasonable time and it coincides with Rodgers turning 40.  It's not a ridiculous plan, even though I would have preferred a player who would have contributed in 2020.  Love isn't ready yet because the plan wasn't for him to be ready yet.  We'll see what happens in 1-2 years. 

@michiganjoe posted:

I think it's easy to say "things have been better" when this is where he started from:

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@BrainDed posted:

Why would we close a thread discussing the biggest story in Packers football since Favre departure?

Are we supposed to pretend it’s not happening?  Are we upset that people on the internet are not polite to each other when discussing a polarizing topic?  

Because that particular thread had really run its course. Someone can make a new thread when there is, ya know, actual news about the topic. If you just want to scream at everyone about how stupid the front office is then make your own FRONT OFFICE SUCKS thread. I will make an entire Brian Gutekunst Sucks Forum if that would make you feel more seen?

Also a PM with this question to one of us would have been more appropriate than clog up an entirely unrelated thread.

@michiganjoe posted:

I prefer to view the glass as half full rather than half empty (everyone is aware of his struggles in his last year at Utah State).

And Love lost his entire coaching staff from his sophomore to junior year.  The coach his junior year "mutually agreed to leave" this year after starting 0-3.  So there is some context to Love's struggles as a junior.  It's not just a general regression, he literally had a new coach and offense, and the coach was fired the next season.  He also lost 4 starters from his OL.  So did Love regress?  Or was he in a sh*tty offense under a bad coach with no talent around him? 

And didn't realize this but Love's coach his junior year?  Gary Anderson, who coached for Wisconsin in 2013 and 2014.  So Love chose to leave Utah State early rather than come back and be coached by Anderson. 

@Henry posted:

Haven't heard that take before, right GD?

Just because you don’t accept it doesn’t make it untrue. Why is it that Rodgers is being treated unfairly because there hasn’t been elite weapons given to him or his coach staff was shit at the end MM’s tenure BUT when we discuss Jordan Love it cant possibly anything of that sort for him, he’s just crap. Do we need to poll Wisconsin fans to find out how well QBs thrive under Gary Andersen’s genius? Shockingly Andersen only lasted 1 more year yet Jordan Love was regarded well enough by the NFL that he was certainly going to be selected in the top 50. So is there an ounce of possibility that maybe Love wasn’t THE problem? His defense was 90th in points allowed. If the next QB up at Utah St had similar or better results maybe I would agree, but that’s not reality and they were 1-5.

Reality is that Love regressed some in 2019 AND the coaching staff/supporting cast were shit. He was seemingly pressing to carry a bad team (which he did to 7 wins), he developed bad habits that a bad coaching staff only enabled, but INTs aside he still completed a high % of oases, threw a lot of TDs, and also none of us know what the fuck we’re looking at as far as good/bad traits or context.

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