2022 Green Bay Packers Training Camp Master Thread

Rodgers has slimmed down, built muscle mass and has been training hard per reports and social media.

BTW, that other dude is Eric Stokes.

The guys 🖤 https://t.co/wonQhGDMNP

— SayCB 🤏🏾 (@_got11reasons) July 18, 2022

Great working with and learning from you today @arodgers_3! You’re about to do big things this season. Breakout year! https://t.co/sEUV5GDxHO

— Tyler Grisham (@Coach_Grisham) July 12, 2022

All I can think about is firing Craig Counsell.

@Blair Kiel posted:

All I can think about is firing Craig Counsell.

Pretty sure we have another forum for that...

It's the annual hand-wringing over how skinny 12 looks. I saw pics of of him recently at the Tahoe golf event...he didn't look as skinny as he did in 2021 at the Kentucky Derby.

12 is best when staying in the pocket and throwing from there...stats support that. He stayed upright all of last year without his BFF guarding his blind side. I have no reason to believe yoga-bro version of 12 will be any thing but fine physically.

What I am more concerned with is, can he run this offense like it's supposed to be run since 17 has left? If he can, I believe the offense will be fine. It will lack a bit of explosiveness, but I also feel like we have the horses, Watson and Watkins, to make those explosive plays...and I am hopeful Tyler Davis gives us what Big Bob gave us pre-injury.

Don't forget Jones. He's like having an extra WR out there and he's already got that connection with 12.

Amari better have a break out year because he may not get a 3rd year to break out.

@Chongo posted:

What I am more concerned with is, can he run this offense like it's supposed to be run since 17 has left? If he can, I believe the offense will be fine. It will lack a bit of explosiveness, but I also feel like we have the horses, Watson and Watkins, to make those explosive plays...and I am hopeful Tyler Davis gives us what Big Bob gave us pre-injury.

Because there is no Jordy or Gerg or Davante or even going back to no Donald, I really don't think Rodgers will have much choice but to run the offense and stay within the system.

The only "fly" in that ointment is if he hyper focuses on someone like Watkins (think Jimmy Graham early on) or Cobb but I think having Tom Clements back will help that. Clements and MLF should be fairly harmonious in telling Rodgers to stick with the script and pointing out the benefits of that.

It may look pretty dink-n-dunk, but hey if it moves the chains and bleeds the clock, so be it.       

I know he's been mentioned in a thread or 2...but a kid to really keep an eye on:

Green Bay Packers have a big-time undrafted steal on their hands (nflspinzone.com)

#8 #RAS RB 2022

Tyler Goodson is a RB prospect in the 2022 draft class. He scored a 9.54 RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 75 out of 1624 RB from 1987 to 2022. https://t.co/1hhU2B3m9R #RAS pic.twitter.com/3domoZwDhe

— Kent Lee Platte (@MathBomb) April 13, 2022

Goodson is my pre-camp man-crush

@packerboi posted:

Because there is no Jordy or Gerg or Davante or even going back to no Donald, I really don't think Rodgers will have much choice but to run the offense and stay within the system.

The only "fly" in that ointment is if he hyper focuses on someone like Watkins (think Jimmy Graham early on) or Cobb but I think having Tom Clements back will help that. Clements and MLF should be fairly harmonious in telling Rodgers to stick with the script and pointing out the benefits of that.

It may look pretty dink-n-dunk, but hey if it moves the chains and bleeds the clock, so be it.       

I will never underestimate 12's ability to lock-in on a guy and die on that hill...Kumerow...pre-retirement Cobb...maybe Lazard becomes his new guy. But as PH stated, 33 is also a big factor in this offense...he may well be the most explosive WR we have right now.

@Chongo posted:

Goodson is my pre-camp man-crush

Good plan B if Hill isn't ready early in the year. But I like Hill better than Goodson.

@Chongo posted:

I will never underestimate 12's ability to lock-in on a guy and die on that hill...Kumerow...pre-retirement Cobb...maybe Lazard becomes his new guy. But as PH stated, 33 is also a big factor in this offense...he may well be the most explosive WR we have right now.

This lock on version of Rodgers was created in 2018, the year that Nelson left. From 2018 and on, Adams usually had double the targets or more than anyone else on the team. Before that?

2017
Adams - 117
Cobb - 92
Nelson - 88

2016
Nelson - 152
Adams - 121
Cobb - 84

2015
Cobb - 129
Jones - 99
Adams - 94
Rodgers - 85 (DICK FUCKING RODGERS, 85 targets!!)

He's going to spread the ball around like he did pre-2018. He's got no choice. There's no Adams or Nelson on this team until someone steps up and becomes that kind of guy. Rodgers may be stubborn but he's not stupid.

If the regular WR are just not getting it with AR 12 put Jones out as a WR and use Goodson and Dillon in tandem at   RB.

@PackerHawk posted:

Rodgers - 85 (DICK FUCKING RODGERS, 85 targets!!)

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Rodgers had 58 catches on those targets. Did he have 58 total yards after the catch. He made the fossilized version of Marcedes Lewis we have now look elusive.

@Chongo posted:

What I am more concerned with is, can he run this offense like it's supposed to be run since 17 has left?

Why would that worry anyone considering he is A) a 4 time MVP and 2) He's done just fine when Devante was out with injury. 

@MichiganPacker posted:

Rodgers had 58 catches on those targets. Did he have 58 total yards after the catch. He made the fossilized version of Marcedes Lewis we have now look elusive.

He did have some good hands to be fair.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Rodgers had 58 catches on those targets. Did he have 58 total yards after the catch. He made the fossilized version of Marcedes Lewis we have now look elusive.

He was still better than stumblin and bumblin Bubba Frank's. And Ed " Toolbox" West was no Fred Astaire!

When the pads come on, one of the beat reporters keeps track of the W/L during one vs one battles. Lots of fresh meat on both sides of the LOS, should be entertaining.

IF the defense can win their 1 vs 1s on Sunday- then that makes Joe Barry's job a lot easier

from Sharp Football: Unit Ranks

( apparently we gotta nice unit)

Green Bay Packers

No one generated pressure on non-blitzes at a higher rate than Green Bay (32.8%) 一 a particularly important stat in Joe Barry’s defense which ranked in the bottom 10 in blitz rate. That production helped boost the front seven into the top 10 in our unit ranks going into 2022.

@PackerHawk posted:

Don't forget Jones. He's like having an extra WR out there and he's already got that connection with 12.

I strongly disagree with this.  He is a great receiving RB, but he is not like having an extra WR..   We had success when we could get him mismatched against a LB out wide, but he isn't beating NFL CB's on the regular.

@BrainDed posted:

I strongly disagree with this.  He is a great receiving RB, but he is not like having an extra WR..   We had success when we could get him mismatched against a LB out wide, but he isn't beating NFL CB's on the regular.

Here he is beating a CB for a 75 yarder.

It doesn't matter what label ( RB/WR) you put on him - Jones is a weapon in the passing game and a viable threat vs zone or man coverage.

@Chongo posted:

Goodson is my pre-camp man-crush

I saw him first.

Beating a CB for 75.

Or unathletically letting a DB catch him while also awkwardly cutting towards him just to make sure to not even have a chance of getting to the endzone.

Kind of a potayto, potahto thing really.

@Goalline posted:

I saw him first.

I didn’t think he was your type.

@PackerHawk posted:

Good plan B if Hill isn't ready early in the year. But I like Hill better than Goodson.

Thought Taylor played well against the Lions and he's in the conversation too. 

Like Goodson, but Packers have pretty good RB depth and it'll be an uphill climb for him (likely PS candidate).

@4 Favre posted:

Beating a CB for 75.

Or unathletically letting a DB catch him while also awkwardly cutting towards him just to make sure to not even have a chance of getting to the endzone.

Kind of a potayto, potahto thing really.

Welp, he's another pass catching RB named AJ Dillon making a top 10 (according to PFF) , Pro Bowl LB completely whiff on a tackle and Dillon making a huge play.

There are also other snips of Jones beating starting corners lined up outside and flat running a great route and using his hands as good as WR I have seen.             

Jordyn Brooks, top-10 LB according to NFL coaches, players and executives (#56) https://t.co/JgcpoQkdIV

— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) July 13, 2022

Love it when good plays are referenced.

@PackerHawk posted:

Good plan B if Hill isn't ready early in the year. But I like Hill better than Goodson.

Different skillset IMO...Goodson brings us something we have lacked since Tyler Ervin...I expect Hill to start on the PUP list since 9 months is pretty aggressive on an ACL recovery. Although the prognosis is usually better on someone sub-225lbs than it is someone north of 300.

@Satori posted:

Here he is beating a CB for a 75 yarder.

It doesn't matter what label ( RB/WR) you put on him - Jones is a weapon in the passing game and a viable threat vs zone or man coverage.

That is what we like to call a "blown coverage."    He didn't beat a CB on this play.

Happy now? Nice route. Nice hands. Beautiful catch. Against a CB

True or False? Aaron Jones finishes Top 2 on the Packers in receiving yards

✍🏽(comment why) pic.twitter.com/U00gTelTfR

— IKE Packers Podcast (@IKE_Packers) July 18, 2022

SF 27 totally lost track of where 33 was.

Jones can absolutely be categorized as a pass catching weapon.  Don’t care if he’s a RB or WR.  He’s averaged 50 catches the last 3 seasons.

@BrainDed posted:

I strongly disagree with this.  He is a great receiving RB, but he is not like having an extra WR..   We had success when we could get him mismatched against a LB out wide, but he isn't beating NFL CB's on the regular.

Well it's unlikely that a CB will be regularly matched up with Jones. And Jones has WR skills and runs WR routes. So yeah, he's like having another WR out there. If they use him in this role more often in 2022 he will draw CB's more often. And it's going to be the 3rd or 4th CB on the other team. I'll take that matchup all day.

With our current WR group, I'm not sure about that.

But with Jones, think less of his position and more of his purpose.  Titles mean less in current football offenses.

Not really TC related but PFF (everyone's favorite rating system) has been slowly releasing their top 50 players in the NFL as of right now. Already 4 Packers on the list and there's still 20 players to go.

Jaire - 22
Bakh - 23
Amos - 40
Gary - 49

Corey Linsley is 33rd

Who else will make it? Rodgers obviously. Kenny Clark? Jenkins? Jones? Campbell?

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-p...50-best-players-2022

@Chongo posted:

Different skillset IMO...Goodson brings us something we have lacked since Tyler Ervin...I expect Hill to start on the PUP list since 9 months is pretty aggressive on an ACL recovery. Although the prognosis is usually better on someone sub-225lbs than it is someone north of 300.

What if "someone north of 300" feels like 225? Why must you shame people?

@Chongo posted:

I didn’t think he was your type.

Monkeypox?

@PackerHawk posted:

Not really TC related but PFF (everyone's favorite rating system) has been slowly releasing their top 50 players in the NFL as of right now. Already 4 Packers on the list and there's still 20 players to go.

Jaire - 22
Bakh - 23
Amos - 40
Gary - 49

Corey Linsley is 33rd

Who else will make it? Rodgers obviously. Kenny Clark? Jenkins? Jones? Campbell?

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-p...50-best-players-2022

How is Bakh on that list? He's played 20 snaps since he was injured.

@Chongo posted:

I didn’t think he was your type.

Goodson is white now?

Something GB and MLF really needs to get back to in 2022. What happened to all the pre-snap looks from 2020? Motions, bubble screens, end arounds, etc all confused defenses (including some really good ones like the Rams). Gotta get back to this.

You don’t have to understand the chart or the metric. The TLDR is no team was less effective at keeping LBs/safeties off balance with their gap responsibilities than the #Packers.

Defenders filed with impunity and did so more often/with more accuracy than vs any other offense.

— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) July 11, 2022