@R MaN posted:#Packers rookie Romeo Doubs drops a high pass from Aaron Rodgers on a left cross. So he is human.
"BUST"
@R MaN posted:Matt LaFleur chose Adam Stenavich as his new OC for his run game expertise, but LaFleur said Stenavich spent lot of time studying pass game, and has had some good suggestions: "He's got a future as a play caller, and beyond that as a head coach."
Translation: Somebody take this bum off my hands. 
@R MaN posted:Can Allen Lazard be 'that guy' to replace Davante Adams as WR1 for Green Bay Packers?
I second the appreciation to R Man. Thanks for the updates.... especially without all the silly hyperlinks.
Thanks RMaN. Great reports without all the hype and personal opinion.
@RoyalWulff posted:I think the phrase you’re looking for is “damn the tomatoes, full speed ahead!”
Petty, not Farragut.
@FLPACKER posted:O-line is biggest concern right now
Short term I'd call it a mild concern. Assuming Bakh and Jenkins return (and I expect they both return) this is going to be a group that's two deep at every position with a couple other promising young guys waiting in the wings for their chances.
Can't remember the last time Packers had ILB as athletic as #7...and then pair him next to DC...
#Packers ILBs De’Vondre Campbell and Quay Walker working on their coverage drops … to some great background music. pic.twitter.com/OcuTRnruvz
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 2, 2022
@PackerHawk posted:Short term I'd call it a mild concern. Assuming Bakh and Jenkins return (and I expect they both return) this is going to be a group that's two deep at every position with a couple other promising young guys waiting in the wings for their chances.
Here's an interesting wrinkle.
@Chongo posted:Can't remember the last time Packers had ILB as athletic as #7...and then pair him next to DC...
#Packers ILBs De’Vondre Campbell and Quay Walker working on their coverage drops … to some great background music. pic.twitter.com/OcuTRnruvz
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 2, 2022
Really looking forward to seeing them in action...
IF Q. Walker pans out, it changes everything for Barry the DC. A big part of the cat n mouse game was matching personnel for the next play. Offense trots out THIS package and then Barry responds with THAT defensive package.
In the past, that meant a lot of dime on passing downs and that light package invites the run. Packers got gashed vs the run in dime personnel and teams knew that if they put 11 personnel on the field, Barry would often respond with dime
However, IF you have athletic ILBs, you don't have to be right as much when guessing on personnel. You stay in your nickle D, comfortable with the ILBs handling pass/run with equal aplomb.
It also makes it harder on the offense - who are always trying to catch you in unfavorable personnel packages and make you pay. By having uber-athletic ILBs, it lessens the need for substitutions and you can handle the hurry-up offense.
The other part of the ILB equation is that when you pressure a QB, he'll often look for a quick checkdown - and here again- having athletic ILBs allows your defense to stuff those checkdowns before they get a 1st down
Generally speaking - ILBs are a dime a dozen except for the very rare ones that are difference-makers... and GB rarely got a shot at those guys drafting late.
One of the reasons Q. Walker "dropped" to 18 was that his role in college was as a clean-up specialist and weak side protector. Walkers job was to make the other guys "right" and let them hunt. Makes sense when you have the Georgia DL and Nakobe Dean.
Now Walker will be asked to make plays, stuff runs and turn it loose. Packers scouts think he can do that, other teams had some concerns over his instincts and projecting that skill set to Quay Walker. We'll soon see if the Packers personnel department was right and if Barry / Olividotti can coach him up.
Go Packers
That is SOLID analysis Satori, and I think you're 100 percent right on why Barry was probably in MLF's and Gutey's ear on draft day. Saying, "These are the pieces I need."
@YATittle posted:Here's an interesting wrinkle.
Without Bak & Jenkins it has to be Yosh & Tom at tackles .... no way I want Newman at one of those spots.
@FLPACKER posted:Without Bak & Jenkins it has to be Yosh & Tom at tackles .... no way I want Newman at one of those spots.
Hell no. That's like a plan C at best.
I do expect 69 to come off the PUP at some point in TC and be ready to go for week 1. Jenkins I would be surprised to see him before October.
Per several reports, Jenkins and Tonyan are ahead of their rehab schedule and progressing well. Jenkins was moving pretty well along the sidelines last week in some drills he did.
Some players can return from ACL in 9-10 months. We will see how close either of these guys get to that but so far so good.
Love had a really nice practice today, especially against the blitz. Good response after two minute yesterday https://t.co/OhC8dvTbNJ
— Wes Hodkiewicz (@WesHod) August 2, 2022
@Satori posted:Really looking forward to seeing them in action...
IF Q. Walker pans out, it changes everything for Barry the DC. A big part of the cat n mouse game was matching personnel for the next play. Offense trots out THIS package and then Barry responds with THAT defensive package.In the past, that meant a lot of dime on passing downs and that light package invites the run. Packers got gashed vs the run in dime personnel and teams knew that if they put 11 personnel on the field, Barry would often respond with dime
However, IF you have athletic ILBs, you don't have to be right as much when guessing on personnel. You stay in your nickle D, comfortable with the ILBs handling pass/run with equal aplomb.
It also makes it harder on the offense - who are always trying to catch you in unfavorable personnel packages and make you pay. By having uber-athletic ILBs, it lessens the need for substitutions and you can handle the hurry-up offense.
The other part of the ILB equation is that when you pressure a QB, he'll often look for a quick checkdown - and here again- having athletic ILBs allows your defense to stuff those checkdowns before they get a 1st down
Generally speaking - ILBs are a dime a dozen except for the very rare ones that are difference-makers... and GB rarely got a shot at those guys drafting late.
One of the reasons Q. Walker "dropped" to 18 was that his role in college was as a clean-up specialist and weak side protector. Walkers job was to make the other guys "right" and let them hunt. Makes sense when you have the Georgia DL and Nakobe Dean.Now Walker will be asked to make plays, stuff runs and turn it loose. Packers scouts think he can do that, other teams had some concerns over his instincts and projecting that skill set to Quay Walker. We'll soon see if the Packers personnel department was right and if Barry / Olividotti can coach him up.
Go Packers
Packers have been repping a lot of 4 DL, 2 LB and 5 DB...but #7 has been dropping into coverage so essentially dime.
I know he's a rookie, but I am looking forward to #7 covering elite TE like Kelce and Kittle...I think it gives us something we have not had before, and is a more favorable matchup than a S on TE.
Why do that when you can just drop Preston into coverage?
@packerboi posted:Love had a really nice practice today, especially against the blitz. Good response after two minute yesterday https://t.co/OhC8dvTbNJ
— Wes Hodkiewicz (@WesHod) August 2, 2022
Against the blitz? Oh watch out, he's starting to get it.
@Chongo posted:Packers have been repping a lot of 4 DL, 2 LB and 5 DB...but #7 has been dropping into coverage so essentially dime.
I know he's a rookie, but I am looking forward to #7 covering elite TE like Kelce and Kittle...I think it gives us something we have not had before, and is a more favorable matchup than a S on TE.
Now, that is one big dime DB.
Good luck running against that, NFL.
More details on Love today.
@PackerHawk posted:Why do that when you can just drop Preston into coverage?
Attachments
Nice quick overview of today's practice from Herman.
@Goalline posted:Against the blitz? Oh watch out, he's starting to get it.
Yup
That tracks with all of the scouting reports on young Jordan. He's not like Mahomes or Favre - guys that can make something happen without studying or outside of the design of the play. Those guys shine immediately
However; once Love understands it and can let his skills shine through - the dude has a hell of an arm and incredible touch on his passes.
Exciting to see Love "starting to get it" and the game is slowing down for him
We've often talked about how long it takes for WRs to assimilate an NFL offense; its an even steeper climb for a young QB trying to throw with anticipation instead of waiting for the WR to come free ( which is too late) .
i am getting mildly p.o'd with all the friggen ad's these guys are trotting out there...youtube and podcasts...time to drop some more listening to not have to hear about manscaping or nutribars whatever the cripes...
@pkr_north posted:i am getting mildly p.o'd with all the friggen ad's these guys are trotting out there...youtube and podcasts...time to drop some more listening to not have to hear about manscaping or nutribars whatever the cripes...
Reminds me of the initial glee with cable tv. NO ADVERTISEMENTS……or so we thought. 🤬 🤬 🤬 I damn near DVR everything and watch later so I can fly through the ads.
From SI
"the Packers haven’t run a single snap of dime defense (one linebacker, six defensive backs) during this camp. They ran dime personnel 24 percent of the time last season, according to Sports Info Solutions"
Net result: The Packers are swapping out Henry Black and replacing him with Quay Walker on about 300 snaps. That's a significant upgrade...
To be fair, Walker won't get all of those snaps...but still...
Last season, in a limited sample size, Jordan Love was one of the worst under-pressure quarterbacks in the NFL.
— Bill Huber (@BillHuberSI) August 3, 2022
On Tuesday at #Packers training camp, he was excellent.https://t.co/EeyG8GwpYx
@Satori posted:Exciting to see Love "starting to get it" and the game is slowing down for him
We've often talked about how long it takes for WRs to assimilate an NFL offense; its an even steeper climb for a young QB trying to throw with anticipation instead of waiting for the WR to come free ( which is too late) .
Lets also keep in mind Love is 6 months younger than Kenny Pickett who was a 1st round pick this year. Love's 2 years behind AR are infinitely more educational than anything Pickett will have.
@Satori posted:Yup
That tracks with all of the scouting reports on young Jordan. He's not like Mahomes or Favre - guys that can make something happen without studying or outside of the design of the play. Those guys shine immediatelyHowever; once Love understands it and can let his skills shine through - the dude has a hell of an arm and incredible touch on his passes.
Exciting to see Love "starting to get it" and the game is slowing down for him
We've often talked about how long it takes for WRs to assimilate an NFL offense; its an even steeper climb for a young QB trying to throw with anticipation instead of waiting for the WR to come free ( which is too late) .
The Ghost of Henry curses you.