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Braxton Miller is an interesting one to me.  I live close to Columbus and I unfortunately have seen every game of Braxton's career and I just don't see a body of work that shows a 2nd round pick  Fast yes but he really wasn't used much outside of the occasional running play that did nothing.  He did have some nice TD catches though. 

Miller is very raw, but he's almost an Odell Beckham-type athlete. He gets compared to Cobb, which I think is more because of his position history, but I think he ends up playing outside and I think someone jumps on him pretty early. He'd be a heck of a piece in Oakland, for example. 

Of course the Browns could take Wentz and maybe get him at the top of Round 2 and ruin them both.

It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out between now and draft day.  But if the draft where today, I don't think things fall all that well for Big Ted in round one.

My gut feeling is that with the first round pick he'll want to grab an impact pass-rusher (DL or OLB) or an elite pass-catching tight end.  It's possible that only one tight end (Hunter Henry) will carry a first or second round grade and chances are better than 50% that he will be gone when the Packer's first rounder comes up.  The pass-rusher with easily the most upside likely to be available when the Packers pick is Noah Spence but I don't think Ted would pick him because of significant character issues.  All the defensive linemen with top pass-rush upside are likely to be gone when the Packer's pick comes up.  I think the best player that would make sense for Green Bay is Kansas State offensive lineman Cody Whitehair.  He fits what Ted looks for in offensive linemen perfectly, but I don't think Ted will want to take an offensive lineman that early. 

ammo posted:

I would trust TT's evaluation of BPA better than anyone else's.  If Helmet Hair or McShay were any good they would be on a NFL staff and not blathering on ESPN. 

Guys like Pat Kirwin, Daniel Jeremiah, Greg Gabriel, etc. all have done the job, and support many of the other guys who now do the same thing. The first thing they'll tell you is that the biggest difference between what they did then and now is they now don't have access to all the personal interviews and information actual scouts do. They don't get to dig in to the personal lives of all the kids they're scouting. People with understanding and a discerning eye can do film study, it's the info about the guy's attitude and aptitude that they don't have access to. 

But the point was that when you say "Best Player Available" (which isn't exactly true anyway) if you truly follow that mantra, it's a fool's errand to count on talent matching your need at every turn. That's where prudent free agent spending comes in.   

TT takes the BPA on his board every time. Why would anyone take the 2nd or 4th or 10th best player on their board? TT's board doesn't match anyone else's though, it's why it's his board. Also I think he uses Bonger's consensus board as a reference, but only the 11th version...any fewer than that and it's not truly and up-to-date consensus and any more would just be over analyzing.

Grave Digger posted:

So you're advocating drafting for need and signing free agents? A proven strategy in the league for sure. Tampa must be polishing their 6th Super Bowl trophy at this point and the probably adding additional space for this year!

Yeah, except that's the exact opposite of what I said. 

But if you think having a Hall-of-Fame QB with a mostly solid roster racking up participation trophies is good enough, that's on you. 

Last edited by Herschel

I think that's generally how the NFL goes. There's a reason we end up with a different SB winner every year. That's why some players and coaches go careers without winning any SBs. It should be an expectation every year, but the reality is that's not going to happen. We aren't squandering Aaron Rodgers career, Peyton Manning has had to hang on until 40 just to get another shot to win another one. I will take McCarthy/Thompson and chance to win every year over one chance and mediocrity. 

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