Agree DB. This offense has been anything but predictable this year and that may be there biggest asset. It becomes much more difficult for teams to take away their strongest threat. LaFleur is mixing it up very well. Compare this with 1-2 years ago. I think they're still developing in terms of being able to make it all flow flawlessly, hence the delays and slow communications. I'm expecting it to continue to improve.

Ubetcha posted:

Agree DB. This offense has been anything but predictable this year and that may be there biggest asset. It becomes much more difficult for teams to take away their strongest threat. LaFleur is mixing it up very well. Compare this with 1-2 years ago. I think they're still developing in terms of being able to make it all flow flawlessly, hence the delays and slow communications. I'm expecting it to continue to improve.

It's nice to see a coach who mixes and matches according to the opponent rather than the stale same ol', same ol' every week. Yes, he has to smooth out the playcalling a bit after the first 15 to make the game flow better, but that will hopefully come in time. 

As NostraBoris has pointed out, this team really hasn't put together a complete game yet where Offense and Defense are both firing on all cylinders.  When that happens, this team will be lethal.  Hopefully it clicks in starting in late December.

I am not counting on the Special Teams, they  don't have any firing cylinders.  Hell, I don't think they heave heard about this invention called the wheel yet.

The โ€œAaron Rodgers underthrowing a deep ballโ€ is really becoming a problem. The secondary dropping game-changing interception is becoming a problem. 

This team has aspirations of championship glory, and the plays are there to be made, and theyโ€™re not making them. Rodgers apologists never want to talk about this, but heโ€™s making the money he makes for a reason. Heโ€™s not supposed to be pretty good. He has to hit the target 99.9% of the time. 

Music City posted:

The โ€œAaron Rodgers underthrowing a deep ballโ€ is really becoming a problem. The secondary dropping game-changing interception is becoming a problem. 

This team has aspirations of championship glory, and the plays are there to be made, and theyโ€™re not making them. Rodgers apologists never want to talk about this, but heโ€™s making the money he makes for a reason. Heโ€™s not supposed to be pretty good. He has to hit the target 99.9% of the time. 

Really?! Can you help me out with the name of a QB that's done this, ever? The record for completion percentage in a season is held by Drew Brees of the New Orleans Saints who completed 74.4% of his passes in 2018.

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Ubetcha posted:
Music City posted:

The โ€œAaron Rodgers underthrowing a deep ballโ€ is really becoming a problem. The secondary dropping game-changing interception is becoming a problem. 

This team has aspirations of championship glory, and the plays are there to be made, and theyโ€™re not making them. Rodgers apologists never want to talk about this, but heโ€™s making the money he makes for a reason. Heโ€™s not supposed to be pretty good. He has to hit the target 99.9% of the time. 

Really?! Can you help me out with the name of a QB that's done this, ever? The record for completion percentage in a season is held by Drew Brees of the New Orleans Saints who completed 74.4% of his passes in 2018.

Understand the context- a play caller sets a series of plays in motion, setting up a single high safety and a one on one matchup for a WR. You spend several play calls setting this up- waiting for the time to strike- and you get it. The WR has 2 steps on the nearest defender. Itโ€™s everything you were trying to accomplish... and the QBs underthrows the ball and allows a beaten defender back into the play causing an incomplete pass. From the guy who cannot miss that throw. 

Thatโ€™s the context. You can talk about irrelevant completion % and completely miss the point- which is simple... Aaron Rodgers cannot miss that throw. It is often the difference between winning and losing when the games matter the most. You pay that guy $100M+ to ensure that throw gets completed. 

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Music City posted:
Ubetcha posted:
Music City posted:

The โ€œAaron Rodgers underthrowing a deep ballโ€ is really becoming a problem. The secondary dropping game-changing interception is becoming a problem. 

This team has aspirations of championship glory, and the plays are there to be made, and theyโ€™re not making them. Rodgers apologists never want to talk about this, but heโ€™s making the money he makes for a reason. Heโ€™s not supposed to be pretty good. He has to hit the target 99.9% of the time. 

Really?! Can you help me out with the name of a QB that's done this, ever? The record for completion percentage in a season is held by Drew Brees of the New Orleans Saints who completed 74.4% of his passes in 2018.

Understand the context- a play caller sets a series of plays in motion, setting up a single high safety and a one on one matchup for a WR. You spend several play calls setting this up- waiting for the time to strike- and you get it. The WR has 2 steps on the nearest defender. Itโ€™s everything you were trying to accomplish... and the QBs underthrows the ball and allows a beaten defender back into the play causing an incomplete pass. From the guy who cannot miss that throw. 

Thatโ€™s the context. You can talk about irrelevant completion % and completely miss the point- which is simple... Aaron Rodgers cannot miss that throw. It is often the difference between winning and losing when the games matter the most. You pay that guy $100M+ to ensure that throw gets completed. 

So the amount you pay a QB ensures he completes passes?

Music City posted:
Ubetcha posted:
Music City posted:

The โ€œAaron Rodgers underthrowing a deep ballโ€ is really becoming a problem. The secondary dropping game-changing interception is becoming a problem. 

This team has aspirations of championship glory, and the plays are there to be made, and theyโ€™re not making them. Rodgers apologists never want to talk about this, but heโ€™s making the money he makes for a reason. Heโ€™s not supposed to be pretty good. He has to hit the target 99.9% of the time. 

Really?! Can you help me out with the name of a QB that's done this, ever? The record for completion percentage in a season is held by Drew Brees of the New Orleans Saints who completed 74.4% of his passes in 2018.

Understand the context- a play caller sets a series of plays in motion, setting up a single high safety and a one on one matchup for a WR. You spend several play calls setting this up- waiting for the time to strike- and you get it. The WR has 2 steps on the nearest defender. Itโ€™s everything you were trying to accomplish... and the QBs underthrows the ball and allows a beaten defender back into the play causing an incomplete pass. From the guy who cannot miss that throw. 

Thatโ€™s the context. You can talk about irrelevant completion % and completely miss the point- which is simple... Aaron Rodgers cannot miss that throw. It is often the difference between winning and losing when the games matter the most. You pay that guy $100M+ to ensure that throw gets completed. 

Yes, I get the difference between intended outcome and what really happens. Wouldn't it be great if you could just spend a pile of money and know that everything will fall into place (see Kirk Cousins/Vikings)? Rodgers will make mistakes and miss some easy ones but I think he brings much more to the table to make up for them. Whether it's a $100M or some other number is just a factor of where NFL salaries are now. Do the Packers still beat the Chiefs if AR doesn't make a sick throw to Williams? You pay the money and take your chances. Not saying I like it, but it's reality.

Ubetcha,

In this case, I can't help but factor in comparing Rodgers today to Rodgers a couple years ago.  Rodgers in his prime was such a treat and it's hard to see less than that.

Of course, no one is immune to Father Time.  There is no doubt in my mind that Rodger's mobility has lessened.  As to the extent of his some time inaccurate passes?  Have no idea if the cause is age or something else.

Of course, the whole Father Time thing happens to all of them, if they play long enough.  The first time I really noticed it with Favre was a playoff game against the Vikings.  Pack was near the goal line and he could have easily run it for the TD.  Instead he threw a pass.  It may have been intercepted, I don't remember.  I do know the Pack did not get the TD.

Then there was that freezing game against the Bears.  He wanted no part of it.

Rodgers in his prime has been an incredible treat.  It's hard facing the reality that maybe those days are no more.

phaedrus posted:

Of course, the whole Father Time thing happens to all of them, if they play long enough.  The first time I really noticed it with Favre was a playoff game against the Vikings.  Pack was near the goal line and he could have easily run it for the TD.  Instead he threw a pass.  It may have been intercepted, I don't remember.  I do know the Pack did not get the TD.

Wasn't that the one where he was also beyond the line of scrimmage?  So penalty + loss of down.