9ers.

Yup

If the Rams can tie them, the Pack can beat them.

That said, I thought the 49ers win over the Pack was pretty impressive in week 1. The Pack has a better secondary right now than they had at that point, but I am not sure if the Pack's offensive and defensive lines match up well with that team.

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I thought the 49ers win over the Pack was pretty impressive in week 1.

for week 1 playing a GBP team that didn't take it's preseason serious enough... it was alright. There ain't a team in the NFL that worries me. The Pack is more than good enough to beat them all. just a matter of execution. How they handle AP in a couple of weeks is the only mystery out there for me. Hopefully the Pack gets up early and the queens abandon the run game.

I don't know where some of this confidence is coming from in the Packers beating SF without too much concern. Yeah SF tied STL but we also lost IND and almost a couple other bottom dwellers. If we're comparing wins or losses vs. similar teams, we barely beat CHI and SF destroyed them. If we play SF again, you can bet we'll get their best and I seriously don't see a clear bet there either way.

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we also lost IND and almost a couple other bottom dwellers.

Colts are now 6-4 after the beat down by the Pats.

I'd hardly call them a "bottom dweller"

Bottom line we didn't lose to any bottom dwellers. Let me know when they start an "Almost" column in the standings.

Even with all the warts, the Packers should be a minimum of 8-2.

Alex Smith is done. 9'ers are a better team with Kaepernick at QB. Wonder if Harbaugh will recognize that by the time the Packers & 49'ers meet.

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Originally posted by DH13:
I don't know where some of this confidence is coming from in the Packers beating SF without too much concern. Yeah SF tied STL but we also lost IND and almost a couple other bottom dwellers. If we're comparing wins or losses vs. similar teams, we barely beat CHI and SF destroyed them. If we play SF again, you can bet we'll get their best and I seriously don't see a clear bet there either way.

They manhandled the bores in week 2, so I dont know what game you were watching

Oh you're right. They beat them 37 to 7. Wasn't a fake field goal the deciding play?

I was only using comparison to prove a point that another poster had tried using in "if STL can tie SF, then we can beat them".

IOW, those comparisons don't matter. I don't see how anyone can say a SF/GB rematch is not a toss-up.

Packers led the entire game vs CHI and were up by 20 with less than 5 minutes to go in the game. THey dominated the Bears

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Originally posted by Boris:
[QUOTE]Alex Smith is done. 9'ers are a better team with Kaepernick at QB. Wonder if Harbaugh will recognize that by the time the Packers & 49'ers meet.

How many years left on Smith's contract? That will decide whether harbaugh plays the kid or not. MONEY! Still not convinced Kaepernick is better than Smith. ONE GAME! ONE!

While GB can beat them if they play their A Game, I think SF is a better team than GB without question.

I should have added: "at this point of the season". Things could change with players returning from injury and if our offense starts clicking, but they've had 10 games and have really only had one complete performance. We're not dominating anyone.

SF is a mystery to me. Some games (vs. us & last night) they look like they are easily the best team in football....but then they lose to the Vikes & tie the Rams?

I don't care about style points. A 20 point win means as much as a 3 point win in the W/L column.

they need to get their studs back, but the NFC is wide open. No team stands above the rest IMO.

I would feel a lot more confident if our offense was clicking

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Originally posted by Boris:

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we also lost IND and almost a couple other bottom dwellers.

Bottom line we didn't lose to any bottom dwellers. Let me know when they start an "Almost" column in the standings.

Looking at Strength of Schedule and Strength of Victory...

National Football Conference
NFC     W    L   T    PCT    DIV     CONF    SOS   SOV
ATL     9    1   0   .900   1-1-0   5-1-0   .380  .367
SFO     7    2   1   .750   2-0-1   5-2-1   .494  .483
GBP     7    3   0   .700   2-0-0   5-2-0   .530  .479
NYG     6    4   0   .600   2-2-0   5-2-0   .455  .442
CHI     7    3   0   .700   1-1-0   4-2-0   .461  .364
SEA     6    4   0   .600   0-3-0   4-4-0   .495  .517

SEA, 0-3 in their DIV!

I hope they go with the Rookie in the playoffs.. It will cost them big time.

This is not the same Packer team as week 1 on the negative side the injuries, on the positive they have shown much better defense and a little bit of a running game (just a little), the Packers need to get there offense clicking 100% to make a deep run, if they get there and face SF, it will not be the same game, SF could still win, but it will be a different team th are facing.

On a neutral field, I think maybe SF by 2-3 points.

I can see saying, "We can beat anybody," but so also, the Packers can lose, such as badly against the Giants at home when it mattered most.

We can dream about the playoffs all we want, but the Pack has a l-o-n-g way to go before we can beat the Niners.

You are kidding yourself Timmy.

This is a team that can light up any team in this league. They need to hit stride after the injury bug. As totally horse**** as the Lions game was I truly believe the "gel" factor for a bunch of 2nd stringers and rookies will be big. Any starter you get back after that is just icing on the cake.

This is about hitting stride and if you think the Packers are somehow talent deficient to the 9ers, you are incorrect sir.

Unfortunately I think the Niners match up very well against us. I think we have improved, especially in the secondary but it will still be a tough matchup for us.

I see the positions like this:

QB - Advantage Packers
RB - Niners
OL - Niners
WR - Packers
DL - Niners
LB - Niners
DB - Packers
K/ST - Niners

I think it would be pretty critical to get home field against them. I worry about our line protecting against them in SF and their OL is arguably the best in the NFL. Kaepernick will be an upgrade over Smith if he can play like he did against the Bores.

Posers, they are!

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Originally posted by The Crusher:
LB - Niners

I'd give the nod to the Packers.

Disagree. Not a knock on the Packer LB corp, but any unit that includes Aldon Smith and Patrick Willis is superior. Throw in Navarro Bowman and Ahmad Brooks and you have a party.

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I'd give the nod to the Packers.

Bowman and Willis are pro bowlers and Aldon Smith had 5.5 sacks against the Bears alone. Brooks is solid. I thought about this for a second because of Matthews but the nod goes to the Niners IMO.

Absolutely the 9ers have a solid defense, so do the Texans. When this offense is firing I don't care who they are playing, they can shred and that is a straight up fact.

Packers offense is playing well means the likes of Alex Smith has to make plays and he sucks. Kapernick is an improvement but let's see how he fares against a defense that actually schemes differently and adjusts unlike Chicago. Chicago will sit in that Tampa 2 all day even if they are getting whipped.

Will it be a tough game, absolutely. Would I fear the Packers going to San Fran, not in the least.

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Originally posted by Hungry5:

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Originally posted by The Crusher:
LB - Niners

I'd give the nod to the Packers.

No way, not even close.

Aldon Smith, Bowman, Willis and Brooks. Smith is in the same zip code as Clay, and Bowman, Willis and Brooks are so much better than our brood it's not even funny.

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When this offense is firing

But, it's not always firing.

Hence my comment about the team putting it together after the injury bug.

But if you girls are ready to roll over like a bunch of bitches, knock yourself out.

Let's see what the rest of the season brings.

How about we start by kicking the **** out of the Giants Sunday night and see what happens from there?

Henry,

My point has nothing to do with rolling over and everything to do with a candid assessment.

For me, to compare the Pack to the 49'ers requires accommodating the fact that it is not a certainty the Packers bring their offensive A Game.

That's all.

Last year there were enough observations of "I'm not afraid of anyone."

That's cool, but the Giants still drubbed the Packers in Lambeau - fear or no fear, realism or no realism.

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Originally posted by Pakrz:
How about we start by kicking the **** out of the Giants Sunday night and see what happens from there?

So, how much will we lose by?

Giants? I think GB wins by 10... maybe more.

Whoa!

Oh great....

If the Packers lose on Sunday Night. Pakrz doesn't get to make any more predictions.

Have faith.

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Originally posted by Henry:
You are kidding yourself Timmy.

This is a team that can light up any team in this league. They need to hit stride after the injury bug. As totally horse**** as the Lions game was I truly believe the "gel" factor for a bunch of 2nd stringers and rookies will be big. Any starter you get back after that is just icing on the cake.

This is about hitting stride and if you think the Packers are somehow talent deficient to the 9ers, you are incorrect sir.

No, I don't think I am, Hank.
You are absolutely correct in your points; but also look at what they contain; "can", "need to", and the like.
There's no doubt the Packers are one of the best, if not the best, teams in the league, but they haven't played like it. And there's no indications that they will anytime soon.
I also agree that the Packers are indeed more talented overall than the Niners, but certainly not at every position. And the positions they are stronger at are where it hurts us the most.
Anything can happen, of course, but if you think our OL can handle their front 7, then you are mistaken.

In any Packers/Niners January rematch I'd favor the road team right now. Green Bay can light up even good defenses, but in a slop fest the Niners would hold a nice advantage.

It's a two way street. Let's remember that.