A contrarians guide to the GBP

Read all the other threads.

It's all there.

1. Lacy has ankle. OL has been jumbled with injuries.  Note:  Last weekend even Starks couldn't break one was close but an ankle tackle or 4.

2. People don't.  Aaron does. Works for me.

3. We have a lead and they can't do squat other than let their RB run and burn time while we have that lead.  That's fine by me.

2 out of 5 wins this year the Defense carried the club.  Defense carrying the team is NOT something the general fan base is used to seeing.  Take undies, unbundle, enjoy as the kids get experience, the Offense finds it's groove, and wins rack up.

Anyone of any common sense knows that MM3's clubs do not reveal all early in the season, or mid season.  His teams grow and add non-tape plans as the season progresses.

Duh.

How many times did we play 4 receiver sets last week?

Zero.

Huh.

quote:

How many times did we play 4 receiver sets last week?

Casa Rodgers becoming Destination TV.

No, once Aaron Rodgers arrived at his house in suburban Green Bay on Sunday afternoon, no one in the welcoming committee really cared that their friend hadn’t put up the astronomical numbers to which Green Bay Packers fans have become accustomed. And somewhere during the drive up Interstate 41, the quarterback’s outlook had shifted, too.

While the perfectionist in him was still displeased with his own performance – moments before, he’d stood at the podium and predicted he’d have trouble sleeping – Rodgers reminded himself that a) the Packers had still beaten the visiting St. Louis Rams, 24-10, and b) Green Bay is 5-0, one of only six unbeatens who remain in the 32-team league.

And with that perspective, Rodgers was able to enjoy the rest of his Sunday with girlfriend Olivia Munn; astronaut and fellow Jeopardy! contestant Mark Kelly and his wife Gabrielle Giffords, the former U.S. Congresswoman from Arizona; Rodgers’ personal acupuncturist and her husband; and country music star Brad Paisley and his family.

“I think if you ask the people I came home to on Sunday – I had a full house – we had a blast,” Rodgers said Wednesday, as the Packers prepped for this Sunday’s game against the San Diego Chargers at Lambeau Field. “We had a good time; we had fun.

http://www.espnwisconsin.com/c...=22331&is_corp=1

What the hell's going on out here

No wonder Rodgers played so poorly, he was looking forward to his party instead of concentrating on the game. I should have known by his body language.

Dating Olivia Munn has really messed up his priorities, he no longer really cares about football but is all about hobknobbing with celebrities.

He even has a personal accupunturist. What kind of hippy voodoo is that? Does he do yoga  now too?

Players today have no respect for the tradition of the game. They're not tough enough, always sitting on the sidelines for weeks with a hangnail.  

Paul Tagliabue would have cleaned this mess up, but Roger Goodell is taking fiddle lessons while the league burns. If only we had a real commissioner the league could be returned to its former greatness.

All hail 1962, and get outa my yard!

All teams have flaws. The last few years, the Packers have had fatal flaws at the ILB position and Capers had to scheme to prevent that flaw from getting them beat above all else. Just the fact they finally cut the cord with Hawk improves the odds of winning a Super Bowl. McGinn's article on how the DL were told to change how they play to protect Hawk was enlightening.

What are their current flaws that have to be improved? Luckily, I don't think any of them are fatal. They need better play from the TE. The TE either has to be a good run blocker or be a threat down the seam. Richard Rodgers is neither. He usually catches what's near him, but he's very below average other than that.  Quarless is thought of as a good blocker. When he gets back, it's likely the running game will improve (or perhaps Rodger's blocking will improve). The other problem right now is that their receivers aren't getting separation. When Adams gets back maybe that will improve, or perhaps Janis or Abbrederis will develop.

I would say those are the two problems they need to solve.  These are that their backup TE needs to improve and their 4th and 5th WRs (minus Nelsen and Adams) need to improve. These problems were created by injuries and there is depth to develop. Not bad problems to have relative to most of the league.

Great response MichiganPacker, and others.

This team is just now getting warmed up. It is going to be a fun ride, so we might as well enjoy it!!! For all its worth.

Haven't seen a D this good in GB since 2010, and maybe 1996-97. The O is stocked deep with talent to carry the day. Relax.

I'm betting the opportunities on offense go to Abby long before Janis.

Packers haven't gone 4-WR since Adams has been out. That's a big hit to their offense and developing route trees. Get Adams back and they are able to put a lot of their playbook back in for the games.

Matchups.

can you link to this article or tell what to google to find it?

thanks.

NJWIS, here you go:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports...129z1-331904641.html

The 6-1 Hawk, who played at almost 250 pounds in his early years, cut weight two or three years ago. Hawk was trying to make up for the fact he couldn't run anymore.

 

The Packers won't say what Hawk's weight was last season, but it looked as if he might have been as low as 225.

 

In the end, Hawk had nothing to offer a 3-4 defense but a big heart, dedication to his craft and a good brain. Even that, however, failed him in Seattle on the touchdown pass from field-goal formation when he committed a rookie coverage error and on Marshawn Lynch's 24-yard touchdown run when he wasn't in his assigned gap.

 

When notes from Hawk's play in 2014 are reviewed, it's a travesty that he was even on the team let alone active and playing 71.6% of the snaps.

 

Throwing his body at the feet of blockers, having no recourse other than to give himself up. Screwed into the ground as his helmet would fly off. Minimal change of direction, no quick twitch. Wired on blocks. Knocked back by the ball carrier, almost never vice versa.

TT failure. Getting rid of a player several years too late instead of a year too early.

thanks.

that article really makes TT look bad.  Its like the entire defense looked at hawk like he was a special needs child and needed help all the time.

Everything I know of Hawk tells me I would like him, but I also like my Junior High History teacher and neither were qualified to play linebacker for the Packers the last few years.

ahem *cough*

Dom Capers.  *cough*

fin

A quarterback, an actress, an astronaut, a country music star, and an acupuncturist walk into a bar,  bartender looks up from his work and says, "The Aristocrats!"  

Is Thompson too sentimental to a fault, or is he always thinking how individual value fits in the collective value? As fans it's easy for us to say over-draft to get a replacement at the detriment to the long term plan, or maybe sign a FA as the replacement at the disruption of the locker room and/or detriment to the long term plan. Thompson's not infallible, but he's the best for the Packers because he understands the need for balance and value in a restrictive financial environment.

No disagreement that TT is clearly a top 5 GM in the NFL and is probably a Hall of Fame GM with one more ring.

You don't expect him to be infallible, but you expect that if there is a mistake made or a player can't play anymore he needs to recognize it and move on. Many times these decisions are based on things that fans aren't privy to (like the Golden Tate- Russell Wilson type stuff), but the fact that Hawk couldn't effectively play in the Packers system anymore was pretty obvious to even an average NFL fan. I don't think anyone can expect him to reach for a 1st round LB or go out and spend big money on a free agent who might not fit the locker room. Maybe Bradford, Barrington, Lattimore were supposed to be those options and they just weren't good enough to play.

Contrarian view? Maybe not contrarian, but a caution...

Packers and their fans may be relegated to watching a slightly improved version of recent years' defenses should Clay Matthews III get hurt and miss any significant amount of time. 

No bueno for overall prospects without a point-a-minute offense.

Even if he's on the roster, that's no excuse for playing him 71% of the snaps.

That's on the coaching staff.

Hawk was capable enough through much of his career, but the last few years were brutal.

The offense will be better by playoff time.

There's more than enough talent there to win a Championship even without Nelson.

I agree, but that's true for every team in the NFL. On every Super Bowl level team there are 2-3 guys that can't be replaced and maybe another 7-8 guys whose loss would be difficult to deal with (Jordy Nelson this year, Robert Brooks in 1996) but can be done as long as the 2-3 superstars are still there.

If Aaron Rodgers gets hurt the Packers have no chance. The same is almost as true for Matthews. In 1996, they couldn't afford to lose Favre, Reggie White, or Butler. In 2010, it was Rodgers, Matthews, and Woodson. This year it' Rodgers and Matthews. Sitton and Sam Shields might be the next most important.

Imagine the Patriots without Brady. The Seahawks without Richard Sherman. The 2014 Patriots without Revis. The Steelers without Big Ben or Antonio Brown.  Almost every team is one injury to the wrong guy away from being a 6-10 type team.

DaVante ran the deepest route on this play. Safety was crouching. Safety tackled a lot of cold Wisconsin air. DaVante scored a TD. 

I'm not sure when the narrative started that GB needs a guy running 4.34 fly patterns on a regular basis to peel the cover off a defense. They need DaVante back. He's a very good WR. Matchup's matter. 

Hawk was Santa at every Packers Christmas party and even TT can't cut Santa. 

Packers should have grabbed the uber-awesome Rob Ryan when they had the chance

"Rob Ryan wants the blame for league-worst defense"

http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...eague-worst-defense/

Rodgers (this week) said the WR who can stretch the field was dealing with an injury. Either he was referring to Adams, or Janis has an injury they haven't reported.

Draft profiles

Nelson, 4.51

Cobb, 4.46

Adams, 4.51

Jones, 4.54

Montgomery, 4.50 

Abbredaris, 4.50

Janis, 4.37

Only after they pelted him with snowballs.

Stretching the field isn't just speed to blow by somebody, it's working the mid to deeper sideline routes on the tree that stretch a D or "take the top off'.  Nelson had developed into a maestro along the sidelines.  He has enough speed but also has so much more to allow him to do that.

Getting off the jam in the first 5 yards is very important for the deep routes. That's what the bigger body guys do, like Jordy. That's not Cobb, IMO. I think Monty could do it but he's still learning. Adams is thick enough to do it too I believe.

Definitely on Adams.  He had some sick stiff arms late last season.  Especially remember him throwing a DAL DB on his ass with one arm while he was trying to tackle him.  

If I recall training camp reports correctly, there were a lot of raves about Adam's work deep and along the paint.

Speaking of stiff arms

Yes, I noticed that last weekend.  Jumped out of my chair.

I guess 22 didn't learn the first time so Ty had to sit him again. 

You people are funny. "the average NFL fan can see...". If we all were as smert about football as we like to think we are, we would be some rich mother****ers like jerry jones.

Jerry Jones is most definitely not a rich mofo because of his football knowledge