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    RB Aaron Jones has been suspended for the first two games (Chi, Minn) of the 2018 season for violating the NFL substance abuse policy/program. GB has four RBs on roster for Games 1-2: Jaamal Williams, Ty Montgomery, Devante Mays and Joel Bouagnon.

    Dumbass..........

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Whether or not it should be legal or not is irrelevant.    This coming from someone who strongly supports legalized recreational use. 

His job description says no smoking weed on or off the clock.   If you can't adhere to that rule when millions are on the line, agree or not, you are a dumb ass.   

I live in NV, I could go buy recreational right now and I would love to.   My job has a no drug use policy though.  If I fell down the stairs or if my parked company car got dinged, those bastards are going to drug test me.    I don't smoke and trust me when I say I don't make millions. 

BrainDed posted:

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His job description says no smoking weed on or off the clock.   ...

True enough - bad policy. As with you my job has a no drug policy but only when I am ON THE CLOCK. The policing of their lives off the clock in the name of protecting the image is debatable. I get the uniqueness of millions tied to the shield...so comparing this to our ON THE CLOCK constraints is not equivalent.

Big doggy, I agree with everything on your post but the “racist” part. I am kinda picky about that  word. The driving while impaired is a serious thing. The NFL policy on its use needs to fall in line with the real world. I no longer use or drink  booze (my personal choice) but I am ok with it’s limited use by responsible adults. It’s sad that one can almost get away with abuse of others and still play after a short punishment while personal use of a mild drug gets the same punishment. In my experience people of all walks of life and races use this mild drug.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23...ks-hippie/index.html

"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday.
"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."
BrainDed posted:

Whether or not it should be legal or not is irrelevant.    This coming from someone who strongly supports legalized recreational use. 

His job description says no smoking weed on or off the clock.   If you can't adhere to that rule when millions are on the line, agree or not, you are a dumb ass.   

I live in NV, I could go buy recreational right now and I would love to.   My job has a no drug use policy though.  If I fell down the stairs or if my parked company car got dinged, those bastards are going to drug test me.    I don't smoke and trust me when I say I don't make millions. 

Here's the thing, if Congress can threatened MLB with an anti-trust suit, they can do the same to the NFL so let's stop comparing it to everyone else's jobs.  As much as Goodell is ruining this sport it's still a past time as well. 

Yes, players can choose not to play in the NFL but that's pretty ****ing stupid with that amount of talent and again, we're not comparing to your job because there is no comparison.  If you can make it the NFL you don't go play in the CFL. If it's so bad then they'll play themselves out of the league.  Sounds like Capitalism to me.  

Just like we know a lot of NFL players are juicing or using a truckload of pain killers this kind of **** is for show only for fans who clutch their pearls about having the world view challenged.  Especially  with weed.

Well over half of NFL players smoke weed.  I'm sure there's a lot of recreational fun but if it's for pain or taking stress of a high pressure job in a monopoly these suspensions are beyond Kabuki.  

Yeah, I do agree driving that stoned is uncalled for.  So if the NFL tagged him for driving and weedin', fine, but as Officer Friendly said, it's not a crime. 

Tdog posted:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23...ks-hippie/index.html

"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday.
"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

Not to mention the 80s  when the penalties for poor black crack were much higher than for rich white cocaine. 

Herschel posted:
Tdog posted:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23...ks-hippie/index.html

"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday.
"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

Not to mention the 80s  when the penalties for poor black crack were much higher than for rich white cocaine. 

That’s another injustice. I personally do not use or advocate drugs. But the punishment for its use is way WAY out of line!

People who are addicted need help more than they need punishments.

Henry posted:
BrainDed posted:

Whether or not it should be legal or not is irrelevant.    This coming from someone who strongly supports legalized recreational use. 

His job description says no smoking weed on or off the clock.   If you can't adhere to that rule when millions are on the line, agree or not, you are a dumb ass.   

I live in NV, I could go buy recreational right now and I would love to.   My job has a no drug use policy though.  If I fell down the stairs or if my parked company car got dinged, those bastards are going to drug test me.    I don't smoke and trust me when I say I don't make millions. 

Here's the thing, if Congress can threatened MLB with an anti-trust suit, they can do the same to the NFL so let's stop comparing it to everyone else's jobs.  As much as Goodell is ruining this sport it's still a past time as well. 

Yes, players can choose not to play in the NFL but that's pretty ****ing stupid with that amount of talent and again, we're not comparing to your job because there is no comparison.  If you can make it the NFL you don't go play in the CFL. If it's so bad then they'll play themselves out of the league.  Sounds like Capitalism to me.  

Just like we know a lot of NFL players are juicing or using a truckload of pain killers this kind of **** is for show only for fans who clutch their pearls about having the world view challenged.  Especially  with weed.

Well over half of NFL players smoke weed.  I'm sure there's a lot of recreational fun but if it's for pain or taking stress of a high pressure job in a monopoly these suspensions are beyond Kabuki.  

Yeah, I do agree driving that stoned is uncalled for.  So if the NFL tagged him for driving and weedin', fine, but as Officer Friendly said, it's not a crime. 

I disagree with the premise that it can't be compared to other jobs.   At the root, it's a job just like any other.  

They are free to pursue other sources of income if they don't want to adhere to the employers policies.  As long as those policies don't restrict their constitutional rights or violate any current labor laws, that is capitalism.   

bigdoggyjude posted:

If Jones was suspended because he was driving under the influence (if indeed this was the case) then that is OK. If it was because marijuana was involved then - bad NFL policy, bad US policy. War on drugs is ineffective, inhumane, and racist.

Agreed, the DUI is and should be the NFL's biggest problem, not the weed. I don't blame any player that gets suspended for testing positive for weed only, but getting behind the wheel of a car under the influence is dangerous and irresponsible. I don't think Jones is a bad guy or an idiot, but I do hope he learns from this mistake. I look forward to having him back, he has a bright future!   

Digger, I kind of get upset with players that get popped for a DUI because they are just stupid with the resources they have to keep from getting popped for DUI.  I think there are teams that have services you can call to get you home.  

As for weed I also think that it shoudl be allowed because like others said the NFL and teams are just find with filling a players with drugs that are addictive but not to be able to smoke a plant or have medicinal?  it is just assine to me.  But I will say i get upset with NFL players when they get caught speeding while smoking the hippy lettuce that is just dumb.

BrainDed posted:
Henry posted:
BrainDed posted:

Whether or not it should be legal or not is irrelevant.    This coming from someone who strongly supports legalized recreational use. 

His job description says no smoking weed on or off the clock.   If you can't adhere to that rule when millions are on the line, agree or not, you are a dumb ass.   

I live in NV, I could go buy recreational right now and I would love to.   My job has a no drug use policy though.  If I fell down the stairs or if my parked company car got dinged, those bastards are going to drug test me.    I don't smoke and trust me when I say I don't make millions. 

Here's the thing, if Congress can threatened MLB with an anti-trust suit, they can do the same to the NFL so let's stop comparing it to everyone else's jobs.  As much as Goodell is ruining this sport it's still a past time as well. 

Yes, players can choose not to play in the NFL but that's pretty ****ing stupid with that amount of talent and again, we're not comparing to your job because there is no comparison.  If you can make it the NFL you don't go play in the CFL. If it's so bad then they'll play themselves out of the league.  Sounds like Capitalism to me.  

Just like we know a lot of NFL players are juicing or using a truckload of pain killers this kind of **** is for show only for fans who clutch their pearls about having the world view challenged.  Especially  with weed.

Well over half of NFL players smoke weed.  I'm sure there's a lot of recreational fun but if it's for pain or taking stress of a high pressure job in a monopoly these suspensions are beyond Kabuki.  

Yeah, I do agree driving that stoned is uncalled for.  So if the NFL tagged him for driving and weedin', fine, but as Officer Friendly said, it's not a crime. 

I disagree with the premise that it can't be compared to other jobs.   At the root, it's a job just like any other.  

They are free to pursue other sources of income if they don't want to adhere to the employers policies.  As long as those policies don't restrict their constitutional rights or violate any current labor laws, that is capitalism.   

And the U.S. government is free to pursue anti-trust laws against the NFL and win easily but they don't.  Why?  Because it's a unique past time just like the players are unique talents playing within a unique league.  If the NFL is so like everyone else's job why isn't Bob in the next cubical getting recruited out of high school, through college into the pros with endless, mostly illegal perks thrown in because he's such a ****ing great accountant?  The NFL's ever rising hypocrisy is a ****ing joke especially over ****ing weed and being scared of some guys taking a ****ing seat. 

Guess what, none of that is Capitalism.  

The Heckler posted:

Digger, I kind of get upset with players that get popped for a DUI because they are just stupid with the resources they have to keep from getting popped for DUI.  I think there are teams that have services you can call to get you home.  

Yeah I never understood that. I don't make $5 million a year and I can still afford to take an Uber home if I've been out drinking. 

People under the “influence” are not known to be able to make the best decisions. Hence the term. And younger people often don’t have the wisdom of old age and experience to guide them. Then add to that a feeling of being “special and unique” because of having an unrelated skill or talent, then one can begin to understand the faulty mindset that these people have. It’s true with actors and musicians as well as athletes.

Imagine being young and dumb.  Who'd a thunk?  If he was pulling Guion type of **** I'd be concerned.  Still can't figure that decision out TT.

"Let me call up an Uber to go for a cruise and blaze up".  I'm sure no road sodas have ever been consumed here.

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