“A fractured plan”, so much drama. He has receivers open almost every play, that’s what the plan is offering him. We’ve all seen better versions of Rodgers, that’s backed up by the stats and the what we see on TV. He’s having a fine season, but he’s gotten up multiple times after games this year and said he needs to play better, so that’s not just me that thinks that. You can play at a HOF level and still miss throws, that’s not a controversial position to take.
When in the **** have you seen a better version of Rodgers? Stop your Bull**** and tell me when you've seen a better version? Don't tell me he's having a fine season and spout nonsense of pressers and what we see on TV. Don't tell me what he's said. What have you watched this year? What the **** are you watching? The past 5 years? The past 10 years? Its the same version of Rodgers. It's the best QB you've ever watched. HE JUST NEEDS HELP!
2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016 all better versions of Aaron Rodgers and it’s not even close. He is the best QB ive ever watched, he’s also missed some easy throws and passed on sure completions. That’s not me saying he’s not the greatest QB ever, that’s just a fact. Freak out all you want, but he’s ****ed up at times this year. Any objective fan can see it.
He does need help, agreed. He can’t do it alone. He’s not THE problem, I just wish his would take opportunities that are there and not take sacks. Why the **** is that a controversial opinion? Christ.
And lots of it...THE AR come to the rescue game plan is not sustainable.
Then in the final three minutes, Aaron Rodgers put the team on his back and 10 points on the board, and the Packers won the game. The difference in the final three minutes? Play calling and approach. Quicker routes, quicker decisions and getting the ball out faster.
“We’re throwing the ball a bunch, and I’m taking too many shots,” Rodgers said. “So we need to find a way to get the ball out of my hand a little quicker,and establish a little bit more. I’ve got to continue to try be a little quicker.”
Rodgers’ answer suggests he thinks he and the play caller, coach Mike McCarthy, share responsibility for the disjointed play so far. That’s fair.
The Packers don’t have a lot of explosive talent, but what they have going for them is Rodgers. He has to carry their offense, and their offense has to run in a way to best make that happen.
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Let's ditch the stupid "Aaron Rodgers makes McVince's life hard" bull****.
"So we need to find a way to get the ball out of my hand a little quicker,and establish a little bit more."
That's funny right there.
Equally as funny:
"No-huddle vs. two-minute is not as (similar) as you may think,” McCarthy said Tuesday. “But hey, hopefully, we may go down that road more. We’ll see how it goes.”
Uh, yeah Coach. That's pretty much entirely up to you.
I just hope this team quits playing grab ass and becomes a legitimate Super Bowl contender over the next two years.
Henry posted:Let's ditch the stupid "Aaron Rodgers makes McVince's life hard" bull****.
Literally no one on this forum has ever said that. I can fully accept Rodgers words of what needs to happen because he's fukking there and knows whats happening. If he's getting to many 5 and 7 step drops, MM needs to cut that out. Rodgers also admits HE needs to get the ball out quicker, which is exactly what I said. You're arguing just because I'm not saying McCarthy is a big fat fukk that should be roundhoused in the face for destroying Aaron Rodgers legacy.
Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:Let's ditch the stupid "Aaron Rodgers makes McVince's life hard" bull****.
Literally no one on this forum has ever said that. I can fully accept Rodgers words of what needs to happen because he's fukking there and knows whats happening. If he's getting to many 5 and 7 step drops, MM needs to cut that out. Rodgers also admits HE needs to get the ball out quicker, which is exactly what I said. You're arguing just because I'm not saying McCarthy is a big fat fukk that should be roundhoused in the face for destroying Aaron Rodgers legacy.
Bull****. Then you aren't reading the posts from previous months where everything was Rodgers fault for freelancing.
Fine Fine OC has skin in the game. It was getting to the point of a proxy persecution complex for McVince. This is a 3 win team without Rodgers plain and simple.
edit: Not singling out you or Brak even though you're both full of ****.
Henry posted:edit: Not singling out you or Brak even though you're both full of ****.
Eh go fukk yourself. This is why you and me and Bong are all best friends.
ChilliJon posted:When in the **** have you seen a better version of Rodgers? Stop your Bull**** and tell me when you've seen a better version? Don't tell me he's having a fine season and spout nonsense of pressers and what we see on TV. Don't tell me what he's said. What have you watched this year? What the **** are you watching? The past 5 years? The past 10 years? Its the same version of Rodgers. It's the best QB you've ever watched. HE JUST NEEDS HELP!
You're absolutely right that Rodgers needs help. I think this is the weakest supporting cast any Packer QB has had since 2006.
That said, I don't think this is the same version of Rodgers. This is Rodgers playing with a huge brace on his knee. He's still damn good, but that lack of quickness in the pocket and speed with his affects him at times. He gets healthy, I think we'll see the same version as his arm still looks plenty strong and he hasn't lost anything there. I do think he'll be more elusive and be able to avoid some of these sacks and such once his knee is trustworthy, but yes, part of it is a poor supporting cast as well.
This is what I'm talking about. What is the logic behind this? Monty probably rips off 30+, possibly a TD as both Safeties are shading outside. It's not to say he's not the best player in the league, the best QB ever, or even having a good season, but this is a great example of missed opportunities that we've seen too many of this season.
Don't get this one at all. Rodgers moves Montgomery to the slot, hand signals the new route, but then doesn't even look his way. He's open! Immediately. 88 in the slot against a LB. Shouldn't that always be the first read? (This play ended in a sack.) pic.twitter.com/jbmGXAJQFY
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) October 17, 2018
Also:
A few things are hurting the rhythm/consistency of the #Packers offense every single week. – Early down mistakes create terrible down-and-distances – Rodgers missing receivers, not taking the easy stuff – Run/pass ratio way out of whack
Why run an opposite slot route towards the center of a mismatch?
And:
Aaron Rodgers has more than twice the number of throwaways (30) this season than any other QB. Next most is 14 from Jared Goff. Only 9 QBs have 10+
It’s time for McVince to bring in Bert as OC to call the plays.
PackerPatrick posted:I found this https://packerstalk.com/2018/1...28PackersTalk.com%29
I am not sure where I fit, even with this chart.
ChilliJon posted:When in the **** have you seen a better version of Rodgers? Stop your Bull**** and tell me when you've seen a better version? Don't tell me he's having a fine season and spout nonsense of pressers and what we see on TV. Don't tell me what he's said. What have you watched this year? What the **** are you watching? The past 5 years? The past 10 years? Its the same version of Rodgers. It's the best QB you've ever watched. HE JUST NEEDS HELP!
Yes. Help with his ego.
I will say this, and I love me some AR...he has the opportunity to line up with drew brees and brady, right now he's a notch below in my opinion- you know why? they take the checkdowns, the dump offs, AR is always looking for the homerun - again, luv him and he's my guy, but he's got to take what he is given, and he doesn't always do that, and he has gotten away from it more last year and this year...
Grave Digger posted:This is what I'm talking about. What is the logic behind this? Monty probably rips off 30+, possibly a TD as both Safeties are shading outside. It's not to say he's not the best player in the league, the best QB ever, or even having a good season, but this is a great example of missed opportunities that we've seen too many of this season.
Don't get this one at all. Rodgers moves Montgomery to the slot, hand signals the new route, but then doesn't even look his way. He's open! Immediately. 88 in the slot against a LB. Shouldn't that always be the first read? (This play ended in a sack.) pic.twitter.com/jbmGXAJQFY
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) October 17, 2018
Yeah, bad fundamentals. Most QBs see that match up, there’s no hesitation.
Goalline posted:Grave Digger posted:This is what I'm talking about. What is the logic behind this? Monty probably rips off 30+, possibly a TD as both Safeties are shading outside. It's not to say he's not the best player in the league, the best QB ever, or even having a good season, but this is a great example of missed opportunities that we've seen too many of this season.
Don't get this one at all. Rodgers moves Montgomery to the slot, hand signals the new route, but then doesn't even look his way. He's open! Immediately. 88 in the slot against a LB. Shouldn't that always be the first read? (This play ended in a sack.) pic.twitter.com/jbmGXAJQFY
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) October 17, 2018
Yeah, bad fundamentals. Most QBs see that match up, there’s no hesitation.
The funny thing is he motions for the play then never goes to it.
Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:edit: Not singling out you or Brak even though you're both full of ****.
Eh go fukk yourself. This is why you and me and Bong are all best friends.
Keep me out of this. I don't like any of you people.
YATittle posted:Goalline posted:Grave Digger posted:This is what I'm talking about. What is the logic behind this? Monty probably rips off 30+, possibly a TD as both Safeties are shading outside. It's not to say he's not the best player in the league, the best QB ever, or even having a good season, but this is a great example of missed opportunities that we've seen too many of this season.
Don't get this one at all. Rodgers moves Montgomery to the slot, hand signals the new route, but then doesn't even look his way. He's open! Immediately. 88 in the slot against a LB. Shouldn't that always be the first read? (This play ended in a sack.) pic.twitter.com/jbmGXAJQFY
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) October 17, 2018
Yeah, bad fundamentals. Most QBs see that match up, there’s no hesitation.
The funny thing is he motions for the play then never goes to it.
Know what's probably "funnier"? I bet Monty wasn't very happy after Rodgers tells him where to go, Monty comes totally free, he doesn't get the ball, and Rodgers is sacked. I'd want to come back to the huddle and go "WTF?!?"
DH13 posted:So are y'all saying AR is... stubborn?
He does what he does....
pkr_north posted:I will say this, and I love me some AR...he has the opportunity to line up with drew brees and brady, right now he's a notch below in my opinion- you know why? they take the checkdowns, the dump offs, AR is always looking for the homerun - again, luv him and he's my guy, but he's got to take what he is given, and he doesn't always do that, and he has gotten away from it more last year and this year...
Except he wasn't playing last year and this was a 3 win team.
Checkdowns = greatness. Okay.
If you feel the beginning of this season has been messy, fine. You're going to rank Rodgers talent based on 6 games, one with an absurd comeback and another amazing 4th quarter comeback? Time for some different perspective and coach.
Checkdowns are better than taking sacks or throwing the ball away.
6 games.
I personally could give two ****s about the greatness argument. This team doesn't win squat without Rodgers. That's what irritates me more and why McVince should've been shown the door. This team is so Rodgers dependent it's absurdly stupid.
And yes, I like checkdowns too. Rodgers and McVince need to pull their collective heads out. Unfortunately, no one got the memo yet.
All the joking about shipping Rodgers out, I seriously wouldn't be against it. I have zero faith this team will put together a real Super Bowl contender on both sides of the ball with McVince and Murphy running the show. If this is the way things are going to be I'd rather use that capital to build a stellar defense and balanced offense. Rodgers will go on to win Superbowls somewhere else and the Packers can move forward without the dead weight. Unfortunately, Murphy is a different kettle of fish.
Mrs. Lincoln thought the play could've used less bullets.
Henry posted:6 games.
I personally could give two ****s about the greatness argument. This team doesn't win squat without Rodgers. That's what irritates me more and why McVince should've been shown the door. This team is so Rodgers dependent it's absurdly stupid.
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Fandame posted:YATittle posted:Goalline posted:Grave Digger posted:This is what I'm talking about. What is the logic behind this? Monty probably rips off 30+, possibly a TD as both Safeties are shading outside. It's not to say he's not the best player in the league, the best QB ever, or even having a good season, but this is a great example of missed opportunities that we've seen too many of this season.
Don't get this one at all. Rodgers moves Montgomery to the slot, hand signals the new route, but then doesn't even look his way. He's open! Immediately. 88 in the slot against a LB. Shouldn't that always be the first read? (This play ended in a sack.) pic.twitter.com/jbmGXAJQFY
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) October 17, 2018
Yeah, bad fundamentals. Most QBs see that match up, there’s no hesitation.
The funny thing is he motions for the play then never goes to it.
Know what's probably "funnier"? I bet Monty wasn't very happy after Rodgers tells him where to go, Monty comes totally free, he doesn't get the ball, and Rodgers is sacked. I'd want to come back to the huddle and go "WTF?!?"
You'd have to know what the route designs are supposed to be, but obviously Monty breaks free on his guy. The potential problem is the other slot route is running right toward him. If Rodgers leads Monty the defender of the other route is potentially in position to break up the pass. Either Monty needs to run his route more to the outside or the play design is flawed to have the two slot receivers basically converge 15 yards downfield.
I've noticed that Zach Kruse is doing a lot of critiquing about Rodgers' reads on his twitter feed, and it is cringeworthy. He has NO idea what the play read progression is. AR could have done that to verify the coverage the 49ers were in, he could have done that to clear a defender out of the area where the play is designed to go to, etc.
Where are you seeing that the routes will run into each other? Whoever is in the slot on the right is running a sluggo, there won't be any convergence. The play design is beautiful, if Rodgers gets more time actually then Monty will slide right underneath the coverage at the top and be even more open. Truly I think the sluggo is what Rodgers is looking at. That slot guy (not sure if MVC or EQ) is meant to be the seam buster, I think he's waiting for that to develop, which is not wrong because he moved both Safeties beautifully, they're 30 yards apart. This was a great call, executed well before and immediately after the snap, he just has to pull the trigger on what's available. The concept behind every play and every route is to set up something else later on... a disciplined defense won't get suckered into trying to jump that slant or not shading over the top of the go route at the bottom or the wheel at the top, but most defenses will try and take away a player instead of the concept they're seeing.
Henry posted:
All the joking about shipping Rodgers out, I seriously wouldn't be against it. I have zero faith this team will put together a real Super Bowl contender on both sides of the ball with McVince and Murphy running the show. If this is the way things are going to be I'd rather use that capital to build a stellar defense and balanced offense.
Unfortunately, I think stellar defenses are heading towards extinction due to ridiculous rule changes and flag happy officiating...but I agree that having a top rated D would be a much welcomed change to this organization.