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Other than the win. The best positive was a Seattle defense thinking they were going to show the rest of the NFL they were still great without Thomas. And while I think they are still a very very good defense it was stunning watching them dissolve into an undisciplined meltdown tossing out cheap shots. I could watch the clip of Chancellor and Wagner imploring the defense to get it together after giving up a fast 21 to GB for hours. I guess you could say it worked. They held GB to 17 the rest of the way. 

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Losing Earl Thomas is the equivalent of losing Nick Collins. It took the Packer defense years to recover from losing Collins (I would argue that if he would have stayed healthy, they probably win at least another Super Bowl).

As someone said, Chancellor is a great safety in run support (one of the best I've ever seen), but the reason he lasted until the 5th round of the draft is that he runs a 4.69 40. Here were his weaknesses according to NFL.com when he was drafted:

Chancellor can play over aggressive at times, take poor angles and is susceptible to play fakes. Taller player who could improve his pad level. Needs to be lower in his back peddle. Is more comfortable in the box and doesn?t possess the coverage skills, ball skills and instincts to be consistently relied upon against the pass.

Earl Thomas covers up Chancellor's weaknesses because he runs a 4.43. That's fast for a safety - but just for some perspective - Nick Collins ran a 4.36. Just typing that depresses me that his career ended on a freak play.

Losing Collins in 2011 was the equivalent of losing Craig Newsome in 1997 (after comments in the 1997 training camp that he looked like he was on track to be a perennial all-pro. Both of those were under-appreciated by many in terms of their impact.

MichiganPacker posted:

Losing Collins in 2011 was the equivalent of losing Craig Newsome in 1997 (after comments in the 1997 training camp that he looked like he was on track to be a perennial all-pro. Both of those were under-appreciated by many in terms of their impact.

I remember Newsome quite well but I don't think his loss was as big as losing Colllins.  I don't recall the secondary suffering as much after 97 as I do after during and after 2011.

Goalline posted:
Fandame posted:

The Adams block loses a little zest when you realize Sherman was already slipping all over the place when Adams hit him. I really would have liked to see Adams de-cleat him, and he probably would have if Sherman could have kept his feet.

SHHH!

Slipping can look like fear when someone wants you to see them coming to whip the chatter out of your dri-fit covered mouth. 

Was this theraputic for GB not going after a one armed Sherman in the Championship game? You bet your ass it was.

 

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DH13 posted:
MichiganPacker posted:

Losing Collins in 2011 was the equivalent of losing Craig Newsome in 1997 (after comments in the 1997 training camp that he looked like he was on track to be a perennial all-pro. Both of those were under-appreciated by many in terms of their impact.

I remember Newsome quite well but I don't think his loss was as big as losing Colllins.  I don't recall the secondary suffering as much after 97 as I do after during and after 2011.

Nick was darn near close to being a generational player at safety. It took him a couple of years to get acclimated to the league but then, wow.

He was under appreciated so much, I think because he was perhaps, after Ed Reed, the greatest modern day "center fielder" type safety. Except that highlight reel hits and interceptions weren't his game... providing sideline to sideline top cover for his teammates was.

I seriously doubt that Dom would've used Chuck the way he did, as a gambling Swiss Army knife on defense, had Nick not been out there to cover for gambling gone bad. Nick allowed the entire back seven to take greater risks... he was indeed a lynchpin.

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Richard Sherman was fined $18,231 as a repeat offender for an unpenalized hit on Packers receiver Davante Adams. K.J. Wright was fined $48,620 as a repeat offender before an unnecessary roughness hit on Richard Rodgers. Cliff Avril was not fined for punching T.J. Lang below the belt. It's possible it couldn't be seen on video.

The thing about the Dallas game is that every conceivable thing that could wrong against GB went wrong. Just like the Seattle game against GB. Maybe Dallas had a good gameplan, but GB was in the game for the most part and things just kept stalling. I guarantee all of those things won't go wrong a second time, just like they wouldn't go wrong for Seattle a second time. I don't want to see Seattle in the playoffs, but Dallas can be beat. That's not a team that has experience being the top dog, they will fold in the playoffs.

ChilliJon posted

Lets see - ball in the air - or I believe it was so, more than 5 yards down field.  I would throw the flag even though it wasn't in Adams direction.  I could use leveling a defenseless player.  Let me be a back judge in a game Sherman is playing.  Before the end of the 1st quarter he would be so frustrated that he would do something that would get him ejected.  Then I would just have to deal with his coach. 

Goldie posted:

Did anyone else hear Buck or Troy  say that Aaron got his groove back because the plays are less complicated due to all the injuries??  Is that why the offense is clicking better??  Did anyone else hear that??

I didn't.  But I have been watching more what happens early in a play and doing some home work including studying other games to see what "separation" all these other "better" WRs were getting earlier in the year.  I don't think the offense is any simpler, it wasn't the WRs initial route, it wasn't separation issues, it wasn't the lack of crossing routs - they were there, and it wasn't the play calling.  IMO - it was AR holding up the throw when he should have been throwing it, throwing it inaccurately, or just not seeing the open guy.  Yes, earlier in the season I was laying it at the feet of AR.  AR had protection in all those games too.  In fact back in those games AR was still on a pace for over 4000 yards and 38 TDs in a season.  The difference was the 7 interceptions he was racking up.  If he were on target more earlier in the season we would have been looking at 4700 yards & maybe 45 TDs passing right now.  But he is at 4370 (or so) yards and 39 TDs pace now. 

If there was one thing I could point to it was that the WRs as a group were not coming back to the ball when things broke down.  But in the last couple of games, both Adams and Nelson did on at least one occasion each. 

As for this game the real difference was the 6 turnovers and the points we didn't leave on the field.  The Seahawks out gained us, and held about a 4 minute edge in TOP.  In previous weeks our turnovers were practically non-existent.  The turnovers prevented Seattle from scoring and we only left a FG on the field.  So the next step for our defense would be to limit yards. 

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