Assessing Packer Draft "Needs" as of today

Same here.

Personally, I'd favor the speed and TE/RB coverage ability over a run-stopper. With those two attributes, I think we can get the tackling we'd want. This defense ain't going anywhere without some speed at ILB. JMHO.

I agree we really couldn't go wrong with either one, and we sure as hell need somebody that can tackle AP!

Do you have any concerns over their particular injury history? I don't mean to minimize them, but what player comes out of college these days without having been injured at some point? I'd also guess if they are 'worthy' of a first-round pick, healing/time from last injury isn't a major concern.

I don't see Mosley as a Patrick Willis type LB, Willis is/was a rare specimen. Mosley is very athletic with great instincts, I've seen comparisons to Jon Beason and Sean Weatherspoon which I think are pretty close. It's an interesting group of ILBs in this draft, their positive traits are things they have in abundance, but there isn't 1 complete ILB in this draft. Willis and Kuechly were/are complete ILBs, very athletic with great instincts and great tackling ability. Moses has a high football IQ, something that I think is important to GB, so I won't be surprised if he's the pick. 

 

I've read Mosley's stock value is dropping because his junior year tape was stronger than his senior tape. And that may have been due to Mosley being asked to call the defense and set allignments. It may have slowed him down a bit.

If true maybe he's more Bowman than Willis. That ain't bad.

Also if true, this would be good news for A.J. Hawk sucks.

Brad Jones is more the problem than Hawk in my view.  Hawk's not great, but Jones is terrible.  OK for a 7th rounder, but shouldn't be a starter.

Shaun King says....

Shazier is a really good linebacker and while he's been projected more as an OLB he might be worth a look at ILB in a 3-4.   He is a very good tackler, can cover a lot of ground, and plays with some nastiness.  The one knock seems to be he's not very stout being listed at 220 but if I were the Packers and he's there in round 1 I would seriously consider talking him.   The LB position IMO is evolving much like the safety position in that you can't just be a tough plodder anymore.  You have to be able to cover and Shazier can certainly do that.

That's it?  No 2 hour production?  You gotta try harder.

My concern with Shazier is size/weight also. He's listed at a big safety's size.

There's a fine line between "athletic hybrid" and "tweener washout". 

Can he dunk?

Teh only true thumper MLB in teh draft

 

Hey, can you try and **** up the formatting in this thread too?

 

 

As long as we're ****ing it up, might as well go eggs.

 

And Bacon

 

An toast, with homemade jam.

 

Seriously.

 

Tschmack's idea isn't a bad one, but just don't know if Shazier is the guy to consider for that. I'd think he wouldn't have a choice other than to add weight, but could he carry another 25-30 lbs without affecting speed (or hamstrings)?

I agree on speed and coverage ability improvement being a must. We all saw fast, rangy LBers in the playoffs and how quickly they could get to the rusher or receiver.

 

Cavetoad, pass the plate, brother!  

ILB may not be considered that big of a need, and with the FA moves from Thompson so far I think he will go BPA, which in R1 could very well be a WR. McCarthy wants to be more multiple on defense.

 

Originally Posted by Hungry5:

I can see Capers going with some 4-3 this year with a Dl of Peppers, Raji, Daniels, and Jones, with LBs of Neal, Perry, and CM3.

 

if it is WR, he'll trade back into round 2 do make that call

This really does seem to be the type of draft that could easily see Ted lumping his 15th-45th ranked prospects in one tier with little separation. Trade back could be mighty tempting without a must-have guy left at 21.

For what it's worth Ted has never drafted a WR, TE, RB, CB or safety in the first round. Not saying he won't but in his 10 drafts, it's been front seven, o-line, and QB.  You can scratch off QB and likely o-line too for round 1, so if i'm betting on it, I'm thinking TT goes front seven.  

They need to get at least one of the two off the field. You can get by with one of those guys, but both? Brutal. Hawk is probably a bit better than Jones (though much more expensive), but I'd be thrilled to see either replaced.

Hawk is equal production to Jones at twice the price (look it up).

 

I'd be happy with both of them on the Vikings. 

 

Had Revis dropped to him (Jets traded up), TT was going to draft him instead of Harrell.

 

While that may be true, I think under-estimating TT or trying to predict what he will do is practically impossible. 

 

He has consistently let the draft come to him & I expect more of the same this year

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He has consistently let the draft come to him

He also traded up to get CMIII, didn't he? 

Sometimes you have to move up to spare other GM's the embarrassment of letting talent just free fall year after year. It's his way of helping people without gloating.

Jone's base for 2014 is more than A.J. Hawk sucks base. The cap difference is the pro-rated bonus amount, which is money A.J. Hawk sucks wife has already spent.

 

While technically a 2nd round pick, Nelson was the Packers first pick in 2008.

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Sometimes you have to move up to spare other GM's the embarrassment of letting talent just free fall year after year.

Or he could do like the Vikings and just not turn in the draft card on time, allowing talent to fall to other GMs. 

It's important to remember that the Vikings suck and have never won a Super Bowl.

can I get a harrumph!

This has actually been my concern up to today, until I saw a few figures:

 

Shazier - 6'1, 237

Mosely - 6'2, 234

Willis - 6'1, 240

Bowman - 6'0, 242

 

He's not only heavier than the consensus top ILB in the draft, he's a cheeseburger short of each of the best two 3-4 ILBs in the game today. I realize that's his beefed up combine weight, and it's not fair to compare him to the pair from SF, but I'm not nearly as hung up on his size as I was. Especially if he runs a legit 4.36 40.

 

I also never realized his father was a pastor and the Dolphins chaplain which doesn't automatically make him pass the "character" test, but sure sounds like the background of a Ted guy.

Shazier is more like a legit 225.  While the skill set sounds great I get visions of Maybins dancing through my head of guys bulking up for combine.  

 

I'd prefer a guy that's actually built like he's 240ish instead of someone maxing out their weight for show and then lose it all when they actually have to play.   

H5 is obviously using politicians' logic:

There's a big difference in build. Shazier is built more like Taylor Mays than he is Navarro Bowman. Mays weighed in at 230 at the combine, would any of you be in favor of bulking him up to 240 and sticking him at ILB? He's only 10 lbs from Pat Willis, he could probably be an ILB right? Willis and Bowman are much more compact and strong whereas Shazier is longer and leaner. When Shazier does this:

or this:

 

Then we can start talking about comparisons to those guys. 

Skov and Mosely actually fight through blocks.  Workout warrior crap, only to get completely washed out in the NFL.