Not when your power runningback needs to get one yard and again his feet get in the way.
Dillon is not a power RB. He was at one time but not now. I think he's trying to get it back, but he needs to do something different. Lose 10 lbs? He does look thicker. Get his mind back on the game rather than on Door County, writing books, and a new child? Probably that as well. If he doesn't turn it around fast, Wilson may take his place.I'd like to see Wilson get more time with the 1s.
I was expecting a bit more Brockington-like power runs.
@ammo posted:Wilson had 3 rushes for 5 yards today. His long was 7, so he lost yards or had no gain on his other 2 attempts. And Taylor was 1 rush for 1 yard.
Yes, I thought he looked a bit tentative. The game moves faster than preseason. The fact that MLF sent him on another run parallel to the LOS, just like he has sent Dillon, lost yards when Atlanta had it well-covered -- just as they did when MLF called it for Dillon. MFL needs to take that play out of the playbook. Defenses today are just too fast and athletic for that long, sideways play to have much success.
Dillon just looks slow to the hole. I saw one play with a hole you could drive a bus through. Jones would have taken it 20+ yards. Dillon got 7 or 8, with the last 3 yards being a battle and spinning and falling forward. He's just too slow to take advantage of good blocking.
He’s a full back, and not that good of one. I’d take William Henderson or Kuhn on this roster over Dillon in a heartbeat.
As far as half backs, I’d take Pookie Wilson over him
Cool dude, just not a good half back.
May explain why gutey wanted Jonathan Taylor
@BrainDed posted:He’s a full back, and not that good of one. I’d take William Henderson or Kuhn on this roster over Dillon in a heartbeat.
As far as half backs, I’d take Pookie Wilson over him
Cool dude, just not a good half back.
He is a cool dude, and I wish him all the best with his new team or new career -- probably sooner rather than later.
@Boris posted:.A have mixed feelings on MLF now. He needs to shake off the Rodgers dependency that he has in certain game situations.
I wouldn't necessarily argue MLF didn't have some dependency on Rodgers. But we've seen losses like this play out when 12 was here, too. It's been two games, and in both games MLF has done some horrible coaching to go with the success they've had. I have no problem with bringing Love along at this rate, avoiding risk when possible, etc. But the more concerning notion might be that MLF can't coach in big spots regardless of the qb position. Many times over the years, Rodgers and the offense had a lead and the ball, when one solid drive ends the game, and with the hof qb they shit the bed and put the defense back on the field while everyone bites their nails. A first year starter gives the head coach some wiggle room, but to me this year is a referendum on Matt in a big way going forward.
Interesting thoughts. Let's see how the rest of the year plays out.
Another thing that came to mind, our coaches went conservative in the fourth quarter, and Falcons coach went in kick ass mode. In the fourth quarter he went for every fourth down that came his way, and ran down the Clock for the win.
Packers played safe on both sides of the ball and came up short.
I think that's been more true lately of games in the NFL. It seems that more and more often, those teams that play it safe find a way to safely lose at the very end of the game.
The new NFL: safety and everyone having fun. Who invited the kick-ass coach?
Fourth quarter completely unacceptable in all phases. Defense obviously wilted but the offense has to do more than disappear.
@Boris posted:A have mixed feelings on MLF now. He needs to shake off the Rodgers dependency that he has in certain game situations.
Joe Barry. I'm done complaining about the guy. We're all forced to deal with it the entire year. He isn't getting fired anytime soon and Fritz ain't walking thru that door. The defensive talent is so much better than they showed today. - it's disappointing to say the least.
I still have a lot of faith in him and we are going to see how good he is in the next couple of seasons. The problem for him is that if he gets the offense going he is going to be hamstrung by the same problem for over a decade now and that's the defense. I hope he will be challenging their manhood this week for playing so soft and passive.
@GreenBayLA posted:Another thing that came to mind, our coaches went conservative in the fourth quarter, and Falcons coach went in kick ass mode. In the fourth quarter he went for every fourth down that came his way, and ran down the Clock for the win.
Packers played safe on both sides of the ball and came up short.
THIS!
@michiganjoe posted:Fourth quarter completely unacceptable in all phases. Defense obviously wilted but the offense has to do more than disappear.
The offense would have been fine if Jones was running the ball. I'm really down on Dillon, I think he's been a major underachiever. Clodzilla.
@artis posted:I wouldn't necessarily argue MLF didn't have some dependency on Rodgers. But we've seen losses like this play out when 12 was here, too. It's been two games, and in both games MLF has done some horrible coaching to go with the success they've had. I have no problem with bringing Love along at this rate, avoiding risk when possible, etc. But the more concerning notion might be that MLF can't coach in big spots regardless of the qb position. Many times over the years, Rodgers and the offense had a lead and the ball, when one solid drive ends the game, and with the hof qb they shit the bed and put the defense back on the field while everyone bites their nails. A first year starter gives the head coach some wiggle room, but to me this year is a referendum on Matt in a big way going forward.
I think MLF is more suited to be an OC. When I watch the fire the Falcon's HC has I see a big difference and I'm sure the players react accordingly. The fact that he sticks with lame assistants is another concern. Brian Flores would have been a great hire and coming off a losing season that change would have been justified and expected. If he's not willing to fire his buddies it will catch up with him.
Just like it did with MM until the brilliant Jerry Jones brought in Dan Quinn
MLF won 13 games, 3 seasons in a row. That doesn't happen unless you're a good head coach. It's not easy to win in the NFL. Just ask the Bengals, Chargers and Vikings and Broncos.
I'm sure he realizes something needs to be done about the defense if he wants to survive in Green Bay.
@SteveLuke posted:Did someone other than MLF hire. and choose to keep, Joe Barry?
I don't think we will get a straight answer to that question.
I'd like to know who has ultimate say whether he stays or goes.....or is it a joint decision?
@GreenBayLA posted:Another thing that came to mind, our coaches went conservative in the fourth quarter, and Falcons coach went in kick ass mode. In the fourth quarter he went for every fourth down that came his way, and ran down the Clock for the win.
Packers played safe on both sides of the ball and came up short.
He knew he could run it on the Packers. His confidence in his running game allowed him to take those chances and it paid off for sure.
@Boris posted:MLF won 13 games, 3 seasons in a row. That doesn't happen unless you're a good head coach. It's not easy to win in the NFL. Just ask the Bengals, Chargers and Vikings and Broncos.
I'm sure he realizes something needs to be done about the defense if he wants to survive in Green Bay.
MLF is the 2020s version of Norv Turner. He's a very creative offensive mind who probably knows Xs and Os better than anyone. Norv Turner won 13 games in a year also, and was in conference title games as a head coach also.
With the right defensive coordinator and a special teams coordinator, they'd probably already have been to a Super Bowl. He seems to hire defensive coordinators that are no threat to his job security as the head coach.
John Brockington was a bruising RB who took on contact. He was great for 3 years and then fell off a cliff.
Eddie Lacy ran with a similar style and was great for 2 years and then lost it fast.
AJ Dillon is just a poor man's version of those two.
If you aren't fast to begin with and run into contact more than avoid it, eventually your legs go fast.
AJ Dillon is the same size as William Henderson was. That's what he is at this point - a fullback trying to play halfback. I never understood why they don't play him in the DeGuara role as an H-back.
@MichiganPacker posted:MLF is the 2020s version of Norv Turner. He's a very creative offensive mind who probably knows Xs and Os better than anyone. Norv Turner won 13 games in a year also, and was in conference title games as a head coach also.
With the right defensive coordinator and a special teams coordinator, they'd probably already have been to a Super Bowl. He seems to hire defensive coordinators that are no threat to his job security as the head coach.
So basically you believe he hires Defensive Coordinators who are so bad they dont affect his job security as head coach yet they suck so bad he may lose his job anyway. Yea, Not buying that.
I think it’s easy to forget just how good Eddie Lacy was his first two seasons in GB. The guy had 1,500 yards from scrimmage both years and then injuries started taking their toll.
Dillon didn’t have nearly the same amount of success but the fact remains when you are a RB close to 250 it’s going to be tough to keep up a high level of performance given all the hits and pounding.
Earl Campbell was unreal but he played close to 230 then 250 and had a number of years with 300+ touches. Even he eventually wore down.
If I’m the Packers I see if Indy would be willing to take their 2nd rounder next year for JT.
It doesn’t take some brilliant HC to know you can run on this defense. Adding Quay Walker has helped, but we might have the worst tackling DBs in the league and if KC isn’t disrupting in the middle you can move the ball on the ground with pretty good success.
The part that floors me is we have two corners that are elite in man coverage yet Barry keeps running that soft zone crap that doesn’t work.
This was an interesting clip from an article comparing Rodgers and Loves first 2 starts. Lost the link to the article.
Turning the calendar back further to 2008, Rodgers in his second career start led the Packers to a 48-25 win at the Detroit Lions. That Lions team, with Joe Barry as defensive coordinator, went 0-16.
Reading that is like the moment you realize the call is coming from inside the house.
Found it: Rodgers v. Love after 2 starts
It's hard to tell if the run D getting gashed again is more a result of bad D calls/scheme or guys losing their 1-on-1's. Maybe both. But there were plenty of runs in the fourth quarter where there were big voids at the second level, meaning the D was set for pass.
@Tschmack posted:I think it’s easy to forget just how good Eddie Lacy was his first two seasons in GB. The guy had 1,500 yards from scrimmage both years and then injuries started taking their toll.
The buffet line was a bigger problem than injuries.
Bijan Robinson has a chance to hit 2,000 all purpose yards this year. He’s an elite back already so I’m not too upset he had a big day against GB. He will have big games against a lot of teams.
Still, the play that ticked me off was late in the game where he got loose on a reception and Campbell was playing way off of him. I can’t imagine that was the call but if it was then Barry is an idot.
+ Love looked ok and even the backup line was adequate in pass pro.
- The run defense and the F35 are nowhere to be found. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u...ts-mishap-rcna105534
@DH13 posted:It's hard to tell if the run D getting gashed again is more a result of bad D calls/scheme or guys losing their 1-on-1's. Maybe both. But there were plenty of runs in the fourth quarter where there were big voids at the second level, meaning the D was set for pass.
The corners are some of the best and except for Jaire yesterday, they did a good job. At the end, everyone knew that the run was coming, yet the LBs were off the LOS and looking for a pass. I would prefer to see the LBs in the box in that situation and leave the DBs one-on-one; I have more faith in the backend to break up a pass than in the line to stop the run. But Barry doesn't want to give up the big ESPN highlight play; instead, he'd prefer to lose by a thousand paper cuts.
The way you saw Ridder throwing the ball was there any real concern of him lighting up this defense downfield? Robinson was killing them all day. Even in the 4Q it was the same old passive shit we’ve seen from Barry since he’s been DC.
Let your corners man up and let the front 7 focus on the run.
@Tschmack posted:It doesn’t take some brilliant HC to know you can run on this defense. Adding Quay Walker has helped, but we might have the worst tackling DBs in the league and if KC isn’t disrupting in the middle you can move the ball on the ground with pretty good success.
The part that floors me is we have two corners that are elite in man coverage yet Barry keeps running that soft zone crap that doesn’t work.
When they needed it, they went wide on our left side. Don't know if that is their strong side or if they identified a weakness there.