The big bruising RB is a thing of the past. DL are so much bigger, stronger, and faster than they used to be that a 250 lb RB just isn't big enough to run through a 330 lb DT. That 250 lb RB has to be fast.
Remember from high school physic: Force = Mass x Acceleration. AJ Dillon isn't accelerating, so he's not generating a whole lot of force.
Just like AJ Hawks, Dillon's 40 is not representative of his game speed. Huge bummer. Let's hope Jones comes back soon.
@MichiganPacker posted:John Brockington was a bruising RB who took on contact. He was great for 3 years and then fell off a cliff.
Eddie Lacy ran with a similar style and was great for 2 years and then lost it fast.
AJ Dillon is just a poor man's version of those two.
If you aren't fast to begin with and run into contact more than avoid it, eventually your legs go fast.
AJ Dillon is the same size as William Henderson was. That's what he is at this point - a fullback trying to play halfback. I never understood why they don't play him in the DeGuara role as an H-back.
Today's NFL isn't going with guys like AJ Dillon anymore. Aside from Derrick Henry, who has much better speed then Dillon does, there are not guys built like Dillon getting significant snaps.
It's a faster league and teams want lighter, shiftier backs who can also be a threat in the passing game. It's precisely what they have in Jones.
With Dillon, I think Gute's mindset was Dillon was going to be great in the 3rd/4th Q when defenses were getting tired and Dillon would just punish the D. The problem is Dillon lacks speed and is easily tripped up, stumbling, or flat out falling after the 1st hit. And that makes Dillon very average and very expendable.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:Eddie had great feet. Weâve never seen AJ come anywhere close to that
Not true. He showed every sign of a big bruiser with light feet in his breakout game vs. TEN his rookie year. Everyone from laptop keyboard to tv booth was in a fever over Dillon after that game. He may still be living off that performance in MLF's head.
How many screens on Sunday? I know AJ is out, but Reed or Toure can run them.
Never seen a back trip over his lineman's feet as much as AJ does.
Packers bottom graded offensive players vs Falcons.
1. Josiah Deguara (41.5)
2. Patrick Taylor (50.2)
3. Malik Heath (51.7)
4. Royce Newman (52.3)
5. Jon Runyan (56.8)
Would love to see someone/anyone start getting Degaura's snaps in the hopes that player might be around when the team is ready to compete.
It is year 4 for Josiah and we know what he is and is not by now.
Degaura's future in GB is about as bright as Dillon's.
Wow, just watched Jordan âĨïļâs press conferenceâĶâĶ.hard to watch him. Felt bad for him, hope he wins more games so he donât have to answer questions about how he did. I always thought #8 did pretty good at press conferencesâĶâĶ.not like a jock answering questions, more like a scholar answering questions. I always thought dimple boy was so jockish in his answers. Ya know, the guys did a good job, we had good execution, blah, blah, blah. #8 was never jockish in his answers. Hope âĨïļ can get better as he plays more and learns to handle the press. JMHO.
Any scheme that has Campbell covering Bijan Robinson is fucked up.
@SteveLuke posted:Packers bottom graded offensive players vs Falcons.
1. Josiah Deguara (41.5)
2. Patrick Taylor (50.2)
3. Malik Heath (51.7)
4. Royce Newman (52.3)
5. Jon Runyan (56.8)
Would love to see someone/anyone start getting Degaura's snaps in the hopes that player might be around when the team is ready to compete.
It is year 4 for Josiah and we know what he is and is not by now.
Degaura's future in GB is about as bright as Dillon's.
It will interesting to see whether the only pick they hit on from that draft in terms of value for the draft position is Jordan Love. It sure looks like it right now.
@Boris posted:MLF won 13 games, 3 seasons in a row. That doesn't happen unless you're a good head coach. It's not easy to win in the NFL. Just ask the Bengals, Chargers and Vikings and Broncos.
I'm sure he realizes something needs to be done about the defense if he wants to survive in Green Bay.
AR playing MVP and near GOAT QB.
@PackerRick posted:The offense would have been fine if Jones was running the ball. I'm really down on Dillon, I think he's been a major underachiever. Clodzilla.
Two yards and a clod of dust.
@MichiganPacker posted:John Brockington was a bruising RB who took on contact. He was great for 3 years and then fell off a cliff.
Eddie Lacy ran with a similar style and was great for 2 years and then lost it fast.
AJ Dillon is just a poor man's version of those two.
If you aren't fast to begin with and run into contact more than avoid it, eventually your legs go fast.
AJ Dillon is the same size as William Henderson was. That's what he is at this point - a fullback trying to play halfback. I never understood why they don't play him in the DeGuara role as an H-back.
Well, Lacy was like 280 pounds.
@PackerPatrick posted:+ Love looked ok and even the backup line was adequate in pass pro.
- The run defense and the F35 are nowhere to be found. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u...ts-mishap-rcna105534
In all fairness, my wife claims that she saw it (the jet not the Defence) before it crashed.
@Boris posted:MLF won 13 games, 3 seasons in a row. That doesn't happen unless you're a good head coach. It's not easy to win in the NFL. Just ask the Bengals, Chargers and Vikings and Broncos.
I'm sure he realizes something needs to be done about the defense if he wants to survive in Green Bay.
The thing I don't like is Barry"s time has passed and MLF doesn't take care of it. MFL saw a promising season end because he kept a special teams coach too long.
The Falcons have great RBs but they had massive holes and seemed to get around the edge too easily.
@ammo posted:Wilson had 3 rushes for 5 yards today. His long was 7, so he lost yards or had no gain on his other 2 attempts. And Taylor was 1 rush for 1 yard.
Wilson lost about 4 yards on his first carry and that only happens when the defender really beats his man. Not Wilson's fault on that carry, he never had a chance. It might have been Musgrave who totally whiffed on his man.
Run blocking was bad pretty much all game. Dillon tripped on critical plays but ran into a wall of dirty birds on most other touches.
Another play that was a joke was made by one of my favorite whipping boys. On the flea flicker the Falcons ran early in the game Savage showed how poor his balls skills were by not knocking down that pass instead of playing for an INT. He also missed a few tackles in the running game that really hurt the Packers. That guy is a total bust yet he's the best safety on the team.
@DH13 posted:Run blocking was bad pretty much all game. Dillon tripped on critical plays but ran into a wall of dirty birds on most other touches.
The good RBs bounce that play outside. Dillion is just a guy and the Packers need to find out if Wilson can be a reasonable backup to Jones. Dillon is not the answer and Taylor is just about like him.
@PackerRick posted:Wilson lost about 4 yards on his first carry and that only happens when the defender really beats his man. Not Wilson's fault on that carry, he never had a chance. It might have been Musgrave who totally whiffed on his man.
Ever hear of breaking tackles? Elite RB do it all the time. Everyone got enamored with Wilson based on one play against a bunch of guys who are now selling tires or flipping burgers. After that he was pretty pedestrian having 63 yards and a 4.2 average against Pats and 49 yards and a 2.9 ave. against the Seahawks. He ain't proven shit yet.
@PackerRick posted:The good RBs bounce that play outside. Dillion is just a guy and the Packers need to find out if Wilson can be a reasonable backup to Jones. Dillon is not the answer and Taylor is just about like him.
Doesn't change the fact the blocking sucked. Point to the play he should have "bounced outside". You mean to the OLB who had contain? Maybe you misread my post as an endorsement of Dillon.
Wilson made the team for a reason and he had numbers showing he broke tackles in the preseason, albeit against non-starting type players on defense and offensive linemen that are pumping gas at Sparky's now. The 80 yard run opened eyes but that counts. You can't take away a RBs longest run and refigure his average unless you do it with all RBs. He hasn't had a chance to prove shit but I'm sure he could have stumbled around the field like Dillon did against the Falcons. Dillon was terrible and we should all want Wilson to get a chance because we need a better backup to Jones than Dillon is.
@DH13 posted:Doesn't change the fact the blocking sucked. Point to the play he should have "bounced outside". You mean to the OLB who had contain? Maybe you misread my post as an endorsement of Dillon.
All I'm saying is Dillon is about as N/S as a RB can be. If the hole is not there he's done, doesn't have the agility to bounce a play. Maybe the OLB doesn't contain a a legit RB all day.
@PackerRick posted:Savage. That guy is a total bust yet he's the best safety on the team.
Not a total bust but he's definitely the best safety on the team.
His speed got him back into that play. Now he needs to knock it down instead of going for the INT.
He played better against the Bears. He needs to be more consistent now.
Guys like Nick Collins don't grow on trees do they? ð
I just wish we could see Belichick with this group of players on defense. There is no fricken way they give up 200+ yards rushing even against probably one of the best RBs in the NFL right now
@PackerRick posted:Wilson made the team for a reason and he had numbers showing he broke tackles in the preseason, albeit against non-starting type players on defense and offensive linemen that are pumping gas at Sparky's now. The 80 yard run opened eyes but that counts. You can't take away a RBs longest run and refigure his average unless you do it with all RBs. He hasn't had a chance to prove shit but I'm sure he could have stumbled around the field like Dillon did against the Falcons. Dillon was terrible and we should all want Wilson to get a chance because we need a better backup to Jones than Dillon is.
I never refigured any average. Against starting NFL players and players no longer in the NFL Wilson average 2.9 yards per carry against the Seahawks. Dillion had a better average than that yesterday against real NFL players.
Plus we have no idea how Wilson will react on blitz pick ups. Can he knock a LB on his ass or just get bowled over. Only time will tell on that but MLF must not trust him in that aspect of his game based on his limited number of play yesterday.
@ammo posted:I never refigured any average. Against starting NFL players and players no longer in the NFL Wilson average 2.9 yards per carry against the Seahawks. Dillion had a better average than that yesterday against real NFL players.
You're definitely refiguring his average if you're cherry pick his worst game. I don't see how anybody can defend Dillons performance against the Falcons and not want Wilson to get a chance in hopes he does better.
@ammo posted:Plus we have no idea how Wilson will react on blitz pick ups. Can he knock a LB on his ass or just get bowled over. Only time will tell on that but MLF must not trust him in that aspect of his game based on his limited number of play yesterday.
I like the prospect of Wilson in the backfield. He does need to be assignment-sure, however, which just takes a certain amount of time, with every player being different as to how long that takes.
Right now both are not the answer. Both should be, at most fill in guys not expected to carry the load.
@PackerRick posted:You're definitely refiguring his average if you're cherry pick his worst game. I don't see how anybody can defend Dillons performance against the Falcons and not want Wilson to get a chance in hopes he does better.
The point is the more he played in pre-season the worse he did. If he had improved game by game in the pre-season he probably should have started against the Falcons. The fact is he played worse the more he played. There is no cherry picking, the facts are the facts.
Nobody said Wilson should have started against the Falcons. But based on what Dillion did, and has done in the past, 3 carries were not enough.
If I'm not mistaken, Seattle played their starters against the Packers reserves quite awhile in that game. So the preseason isn't a great indicator of anything as far as stats go. I'm not basing anything on preseason stats, but I saw how Wilson can make cuts with speed.
@PackerRick posted:The thing I don't like is Barry"s time has passed and MLF doesn't take care of it. MFL saw a promising season end because he kept a special teams coach too long.
The Falcons have great RBs but they had massive holes and seemed to get around the edge too easily.
It's MM 2.0 but I don't think MLF gets an owl or a St named after him.
Late to the game as usual, I had to watch the recording today. Here were a few things I observed and I'll try not to mention things other people have said.
I thought Love had a good game, no problems there. He was missing his HOF left tackle, a right guard that shouldn't be starting anywhere, the #1 weapon on offense in Jones, and our #1 receiver. He missed a couple wide open receivers, but what QB doesn't in a game. And I don't blame MLF for the offensive game plan when he didn't have his major horses.
I'm not going to totally shit on Barry...yet. The defense tackled well last week, and did the complete opposite this week, and there were some head scratchers in terms of calls they were in in certain situations, but it's one loss and we're not going to face a running back of Bijon's talent the rest of the season unless we face them in the playoffs. Let's see how the next game goes and hope for consistency.
I also think the smart move when Bijon got past the first down marker at the end of the game, they should have let him score. We would have had at least 2 minutes to score a TD with 2 timeouts.
In terms of personnel, I'll echo El-Ka-Bong's statement about RB and LT. Jones is getting up there, and if there's a Dijon out there, we should grab one. We should also grab a franchise LT. We have the picks. I kind of think they're not going to play Bakhtiari unless it's on grass surfaces. He's pretty much done. I also wouldn't mind if the packers sought a trade for Elgton Jenkins. He's an immense talent, but it looks like he might be going the route of being injury prone. Trade him while he's young and worth something. I would defer to the input of medical staff before doing that, but there's a pattern developing IMHO. See how the rest of the season goes.
@Fandame posted:The corners are some of the best and except for Jaire yesterday, they did a good job. At the end, everyone knew that the run was coming, yet the LBs were off the LOS and looking for a pass. I would prefer to see the LBs in the box in that situation and leave the DBs one-on-one; I have more faith in the backend to break up a pass than in the line to stop the run. But Barry doesn't want to give up the big ESPN highlight play; instead, he'd prefer to lose by a thousand paper cuts.
This!!!!
@SteveLuke posted:Packers bottom graded offensive players vs Falcons.
1. Josiah Deguara (41.5)
Still on the team, huh.
wild
Atl game injuriesâĶ. Jenkins with maybe MCL sprain last I saw. Any MRI update? Van Ness elbow? Any update?
and AGAIN may I say their damn tackling still stinks??? That RB was a beast, but better tackling could have helped donâtcha think?? I sure do. ðĪŽ
@Packy posted:Atl game injuriesâĶ. Jenkins with maybe MCL sprain last I saw. Any MRI update? Van Ness elbow? Any update?
From this afternoon:
@RobDemovsky: Jenkins said he has a sprained MCL in his left knee. In a sizable brace but does not think his seasonâs over.
When asked if it was turf related, Jenkins said, âfelt like it had something to do with itâ because his foot got caught but also said âwrong place, wrong time.â
I was really hoping the predictable pattern of late-game lead, with the ball = multiple consecutive 3 and outs and a loss would be broken.
