Bishop to be cut (Release official 6/17)

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LMAO at Bishop signing with the Queens

They are the sloppy seconds of the NFC North

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The fact that the man was gay should have no bearing on your opinion sir.

You're just jealous that Jan Stenerud has better sweaters than you:

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Originally posted by BrainDed:
Either he isn't healthy, or TT dropped the ball on this one by putting too much money into Hawk / Jones and not leaving enough for Bishop.

The problem with that theory is that Bishop signed before either of the other two, and Hawk just took a pay cut.

They could've kept Bishop if they wanted him. He was under contract, and even with the #52 and #12 signings there was room for him.

Now it very well could turn out to be a bad football move if Bishop thrives at his next stop, but I think the money angle was a smaller part of the equation than the uncertainty of his recovery from the injury and the young, cheap depth at the position already on the roster.

If he is truly healthy this makes no sense to me. We shall see.

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Originally posted by ChilliJon:
Going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

Yes, it will.

What would be the big deal if he signs with Minnesota??? What's he supposed to do, potentially not play??? It's not like he wouldn't sign a fair offer with the Packers or was asked to take a paycut(which I couldn't blame him if he didn't anyway). The Packers cut waived. He'll probably play for the best offer he can get.

It's not a big deal that he would sign with the queens. It's just the funny familiar pattern. different strokes.

Time will tell how this plays out with Cullen Bishop

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Teams that regularly incorporate the 3-4 defensive alignment scheme include the Cleveland Browns, San Diego Chargers, Green Bay Packers, Baltimore Ravens, Arizona Cardinals, Indianapolis Colts, Kansas City Chiefs, New York Jets, San Francisco 49ers, Pittsburgh Steelers, Washington Redskins, New Orleans Saints, Philadelphia Eagles, New England Patriots and Houston Texans. -wikipedia.org

I'd take Pittsburgh off the list due to salary cap. SF off due to their two great LBs.

I guess Bishop was done when they re-signed Jones. They smartly decided to pay some for a healthy guy who knows the system over a guy who's a complete unknown. I think the Packers were not at all happy at all the money that went to Driver and Woodson for essentially nothing last year and didn't want to have a repeat in 2013.

Let's not kid ourselves either. This is also a byproduct of the Rodgers and Matthews contracts. Keeping Bishop around would be a lot easier with them on their earlier contracts. It's a big risk to keep Bishop around at his cap hit if it means losing one of the young talents. I think it says how much they like the upcoming crop of Packer free agency. They're very proactive in managing the cap.

I think ChiliJon nailed it. In the move to get away from guys with an injury history, Bishop was doomed. The whispers about trading him started around draft day. Of course, he did himself no favors by... getting injured again and not being able to do anything in OTAs except work on the sidelines.

I'd bet that the Packers would love to have a healthy Bishop on the roster, but they can't waste spots on Glass Joes.

Wow, X4 has come up with a really wide variety of good comments on the reasons for this Bishop move

Rodgers/Matthews cap space
Driver/ Woodson hang-on deals
the "unknown" of injury recovery
body type - thumper vs speedier
brains over brawn
logjam of suitable replacements available now
younger developing talents on deck
Raji, Shields, Burnett, J.Jones contracts pending
Brad Jones extension and AJ Hawk reduction
Cap space for Vonta Leach (ha !)

If Desmond Bishop doesn't get hurt, not sure how much of DJ Smith we would have seen at ILB in 2012
Then if DJ Smith hadn't gotten hurt too, not sure how much of Brad Jones we would have seen at ILB in 2012

Amazing turn of events, hope GB comes out on top

...If Barnett doesn't get hurt, not sure we see Chillar, and if Chillar didn't get hurt, we probably wouldn't have seen too much of Bishop in 2010.

very amazing turn of events.

Huge mistake IMO. These two may seriously be the worst 2 starting ILB's in the NFL. Better hope for someone to step up or the season may be over before it starts. Theres not another team in the NFL that would start these 2 deadbeats

Wow. Season over. Damn, what am I going to do now.

No kidding. Dang, I didn't even get my tickets yet and it's over??
In TT and the coaching staff I will trust.

Bishop hasn't really played in some time now, but when he did play he was one of their better defensive players. The one knock against Bishop is that he wasn't the quickest or fastest guy and the Packers sure seem to be moving in that direction on D.

Time will tell if this was a good move or not, but usually TT has things figured out pretty well with personnel decisions.

Since the season is basically over, anybody wanna dump their season tickets?

In other news, the Vikings, looking to bring back the glory years, are bringing in former Packer Dorsey Levens, John Brockington, Larry McCarren, Ray Nitschke and Paul Hornung. Asking Zygi Wilf his thoughts on this..."They did great things for the Packers. They probably have got some milage left in the tank. Each and every one of them is still better than what we currently have, short of AP. Hell, our fans don't need a Super Bowl trophy, they just want us to say we had the same players the Packers had."

When advised that Nitschke died several years ago, Wilf responded, "Well, he won't be tackling any worse than what we already have. Plus, his estate will probably take the league minimum."

I can't find any link to that. You just made that up, didn't you?

Speaking of the Vikes, did anyone catch Antoine Winfield's recent comments? He passed up more money with the Vikes to go to Seattle because he thought Seattle had a chance to win a SB. That makes 2 players this offseason who passed up more money with the Vikes to go elsewhere...Bishop should probably think about that.

Bishop's got a ring, and he just saw Erik Walden sign for $16M. I'll understand if he opts for the highest bidder.

Bishop did not want to leave GB. This was essentially TT deciding on another direction. He did Bishop a big favor by cutting him loose now so he has time to find a landing spot. Glad to see TT do that. Bishop has been nothing but a class act in GB.

The Vikings immediately jumping out front was expected. But still surprising. Bishop didn't exactly have great range as a 3-4 ILB before the injury. How's that injury going to hold up as the MLB in a 4-3? And how do you plug a guy in at MLB that may have lost a step he couldn't afford to lose?

It's hilarious listening to P.A. extoll the virtues of Bishop this morning, when he used to bash the hell out of him in the past.......

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth

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The totals also include the Packers' release of linebacker Desmond Bishop, which saved $3.964 million. Because he was released after June 1, the Packers split his remaining cap hit over the next two seasons. He'll count $800,000 against the Packers' 2013 cap and the same amount in 2014.

Chicago Bears: $1,637,767
Detroit Lions: $1,959,653
Green Bay Packers: $16,327,631
Minnesota Vikings: $7,131,654

from Pro Football Focus

"Whichever way you look at it, only a desperate team is likely to alter their plans at this late juncture — with OTA’s and minicamp over there is only a CBA-limited training camp with which to prepare a brand new player for a key role. It will be a mark of just how vulnerable the Vikings feel in that regard if they do indeed sign him, particularly if it’s only for a year."

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Originally posted by Satori:
from Pro Football Focus

"Whichever way you look at it, only a desperate team is likely to alter their plans at this late juncture — with OTA’s and minicamp over there is only a CBA-limited training camp with which to prepare a brand new player for a key role. It will be a mark of just how vulnerable Packer-envious the Vikings feel in that every regard if they do indeed sign him, particularly if it’s only for a year."

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Originally posted by Ryan Grant:
Huge mistake IMO. These two may seriously be the worst 2 starting ILB's in the NFL. Better hope for someone to step up or the season may be over before it starts. Theres not another team in the NFL that would start these 2 deadbeats

Laughable.

The thing with Bishop's injury is that it was very serious and difficult to come back from as I understand it. I vaguely recall and recently read somewhere that a Bears player (Tommie Kelly ??) had the same injury and was never the same afterwards. So, yea, Bishop might be healed up and 100% fine medically. But, will he have lost some speed, quickness, power and explosion as a result? TT probably made the wise choice here based on the severity of the injury.

Packers actually did Desmond a favor by keeping him on the roster until after the OTA's were over. They could have cut him shortly after the draft and after redoing Hawk's deal and re-signing Jones. But since Bishop was present for all of the OTA's, as I understand it, even if he did not actually practise he would have earned his "workout bonus". I read his workout bonus was $200,000, so thats a nice bit of coin for hanging around watching the other guys practise and maybe doing some light work on the sidelines. Although they were probably trying to do a trade during that time, he now does have time to latch on somewhere else with time to learn his new system in a full training camp.

I'd also like to give props and kudos to Bishop on how he's handling being cut. All of his statements I've read in the JSO, GBPG and ESPNWIS (Wilde) have been very classy and respectful towards the Packers. He's definitely not burning any bridges on the way out of town. And in fact the door does remain open to return if in the unlikely event he gets lowballed by other teams, from what I've read.

LOL. Not buying the long, painful season theory Henry?? I was somewhat joking but I am concerned. Pulling for one of the young guys to step up

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Originally posted by Satori:
from Pro Football Focus

"Whichever way you look at it, only a desperate team is likely to alter their plans at this late juncture — with OTA’s and minicamp over there is only a CBA-limited training camp with which to prepare a brand new player for a key role. It will be a mark of just how vulnerable the Vikings feel in that regard if they do indeed sign him, particularly if it’s only for a year."

Of course if Spielmann/Wilf hadn't pissed away four picks on Patterson maybe they could have gotten a linebacker or two in teh draft.

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Originally posted by Ryan Grant:
LOL. Not buying the long, painful season theory Henry?? I was somewhat joking but I am concerned. Pulling for one of the young guys to step up

You have to. More than anything I appreciate Bishop's intensity on the field but I can see the reasoning behind letting him go. We don't have to like it but understanding the business side of things makes it a necessity some times. Should also be noted as well the fact defensive coaching is as much about being able to mask deficiencies against these wide open offenses.

Bishop is a good player but not a complete player. I personally would have liked to see him back but considering the focus on stopping spread offense derivatives you have to be concerned with Bishop's health and range.

I won't say it wasn't a gamble but TT is obviously also trying to get experience to guys that can stay healthy. I really think Terrell Manning will rise to the occasion. Hawk is Hawk. He gets too much heat for being a player that maxed out but he's always there and he isn't stupid. Yes, there are parts of his game that are frustrating but you can't call this guy a bum. He's just a steady albeit unspectacular player.

Completely agree Henry. I don't like it, but I understand it. Still hoping he comes back and competes and it sounds like that door is still open.

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Originally posted by Goalline:
If he is truly healthy this makes no sense to me. We shall see.

I trust Ted to make the right decision.

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Originally posted by Ryan Grant:
Huge mistake IMO. These two may seriously be the worst 2 starting ILB's in the NFL. Better hope for someone to step up or the season may be over before it starts. Theres not another team in the NFL that would start these 2 deadbeats

You're assuming that Hawk and Jones are going to be the starting inside linebackers. I think Manning is going to have something to say about this. I'm betting the Packer coaches are pretty high on this guy.

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Originally posted by Ryan Grant:
LOL. Not buying the long, painful season theory Henry?? I was somewhat joking but I am concerned. Pulling for one of the young guys to step up

That's more like it. I'm concerned, too, but if there's one thing that we should have learned over the last 4 years or so, it's that Ted Thompson is able to find players to plug the holes. While there might be a few teams with the same number of injuries we've had to deal with, I can't honestly think of another with more. Yet somehow we've managed to stay highly competitive.

If Ted and the coaching staff aren't convinced that we have what we need, he'll find somebody to plug in. The man has earned my respect, and until we see the team on the field, I am going to reserve my judgement.

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Originally posted by Herschel:

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Originally posted by Satori:
from Pro Football Focus

"Whichever way you look at it, only a desperate team is likely to alter their plans at this late juncture — with OTA’s and minicamp over there is only a CBA-limited training camp with which to prepare a brand new player for a key role. It will be a mark of just how vulnerable the Vikings feel in that regard if they do indeed sign him, particularly if it’s only for a year."

Of course if Spielmann/Wilf hadn't pissed away four picks on Patterson maybe they could have gotten a linebacker or two in teh draft.

That IS a good point.

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Originally posted by Satori:
Wow, X4 has come up with a really wide variety of good comments on the reasons for this Bishop move

Rodgers/Matthews cap space
Driver/ Woodson hang-on deals
the "unknown" of injury recovery
body type - thumper vs speedier
brains over brawn
logjam of suitable replacements available now
younger developing talents on deck
Raji, Shields, Burnett, J.Jones contracts pending
Brad Jones extension and AJ Hawk reduction
Cap space for Vonta Leach (ha !)

If Desmond Bishop doesn't get hurt, not sure how much of DJ Smith we would have seen at ILB in 2012
Then if DJ Smith hadn't gotten hurt too, not sure how much of Brad Jones we would have seen at ILB in 2012

Amazing turn of events, hope GB comes out on top

Amazing indeed. I am with many others who are somewhat befuddled with the move, but when put in perspective, in a way it does make sense. The points I put in bold above, with secondary in italics make sense.

We have had a rash of injuries. I love the salary cap post above where we are in a much better situation, but.. we also have a ton of people to resign after this year or extend.

We can't see the players, so we have no idea how things are going. Facts are facts and our luck lately keeping injured players and hoping it goes away has not worked. I also see it to be valid that we need to get back to cutting someone a year early over a year late; the ramifications on the cap are too serious, often resulting in losing someone who would have gave you several good years as opposed to keeping a player in their twilight. It's a bitch, but it is also good NFL football business.

We will find out more as the offseason continues and when the season starts. Either way, the stay young, athletic, and hungry is a great approach it seems.

In ROTT and MM3 I trust.

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Originally posted by lambeausouth:
You're assuming that Hawk and Jones are going to be the starting inside linebackers.

That seems to be the assumption that TT and MM are operating on as well. It's possible one of the young players could rise up in camp, but they didn't pay Jones all that money to be a backup.

Considering Jones is their best option for coverage linebacker, I'm guessing Hawk will see far fewer snaps this year in nickel situations with hopefully Jones, Raji and Neal up front or maybe overload with Matthews, Perry and Moses on the field together. They could run the "amoeba" set up with Jones, Neal, Perry, Matthews, Jones and Moses on occasion also.

I think Manning was a decent cover guy @ State.