Nick Collins again. Jesus fuc.q
I'd like your post, but I'm scared to.
Hundley is both a bad QB and a coach killer.
And a GM killer and a coach killer for coaches on even on side of the team.
The 2011 offense was astronomical until defenses figured out you could disrupt the passing game by getting physical with our WRs. They haven't been the same since. In 2014 Lacy loosened everything up and things were humming again because he'd pull a S down. His decline paralleled the return of the passing problems when many fans worried that AR forgot how to be AR.
In interview with @620wtmj, #Packers coach Mike McCarthy doesn't rule out Edgar Bennett returning, probably as WRs coach: "Edgar's situation is still fluid. We're still in communication there." Bennett probably still deciding whether he wants to return after demotion from OC.
— Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) January 4, 2018
In interview with @620wtmj, #Packers coach MIke McCarthy didn't necessarily rule out AVP's return: "Alex Van Pelt was more a personal choice from a contractual standpoint. He desired to be a free agent after this season. He wants to look at other opportunities."
— Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) January 4, 2018
michiganjoe posted:In interview with @620wtmj, #Packers coach Mike McCarthy doesn't rule out Edgar Bennett returning, probably as WRs coach: "Edgar's situation is still fluid. We're still in communication there." Bennett probably still deciding whether he wants to return after demotion from OC.
— Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) January 4, 2018In interview with @620wtmj, #Packers coach MIke McCarthy didn't necessarily rule out AVP's return: "Alex Van Pelt was more a personal choice from a contractual standpoint. He desired to be a free agent after this season. He wants to look at other opportunities."
— Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) January 4, 2018
All this change... yet nothing changes. Fire the OC and then keep him around. Get rid of the QB coach but leave the door open to return. Have TT step aside but have his mini me Russ Ball as your #1 target.
I'm half-ass starting to wonder if Dom Capers will be coaching the defensive line next year.
Status Quo.
Likely Bennett and AVP are coaching elsewhere in '18.
Those comments sound a lot like McCarthy giving them a 'vote of confidence'.
Pakrz posted:All this change... yet nothing changes. Fire the OC and then keep him around. Get rid of the QB coach but leave the door open to return. Have TT step aside but have his mini me Russ Ball as your #1 target.
I'm half-ass starting to wonder if Dom Capers will be coaching the defensive line next year.
Status Quo.
That's how they roll in the Monongahela Valley.
Bennett was a good WR coach. It's not uncommon for good position coaches to be bad coordinators. I wouldn't mind having him back in that role.
Edgar was rushed into that OC position to begin with. I believe he's still a good position coach. MM just moved him beyond his strengths.
No problem with changes but strikes me as a bit of scapegoating going on for Brett Hundley. Think a majority of the blame for that disaster rests with the guy who still has his job.
The WRs had some excellent years with Bennett as WR coach. I don't know that he and MM coordinated things very well.
Guy, guys, the quarterback room is fine and right where MM wants it. He just needs to get rid of everyone in the room except Hundley first.
So to summarize the last several days at 1265, much ado about nothing?
DH13 posted:The 2011 offense was astronomical until defenses figured out you could disrupt the passing game by getting physical with our WRs. They haven't been the same since. In 2014 Lacy loosened everything up and things were humming again because he'd pull a S down. His decline paralleled the return of the passing problems when many fans worried that AR forgot how to be AR.
Finley made a big difference also. We all know he was a knucklehead, but I remember multiple articles from local and national media saying that Finley might not be putting up Gronk numbers, but defenses had to have a plan to account for him. In 2011, they had him and a bunch of young, good receivers. Rodgers had probably the best statistical season of any QB going for 45 TDs and 6 interceptions. If they'd have played him in the last game of the season when Flynn threw for 6 TDs or let him run up TDs in games that are over like the Patriots do with Brady, he'd have probably had something like 55 TDs and 7 interceptions. Yes, it was astronomical.
It's pretty straightforward, when he has a good TE and above average WRs, he's the best player I've ever seen. 2011 (45 TD/6 int) 2012 (39/8) with Finley; last 7 games of 2016 with Cook (18/0).
When he runs out of receivers and his TE is below average, he only plays at the level of a top 10 QB in history. 2015 is the best example. Jordy misses the whole year and RichRod is the starting TE. His main targets were a somewhat healthy Cobb, Rich Rod, a fossilized version of James Jones, and a one-legged Adams. His down year when healthy was 31 TDs and 8 interceptions throwing to those guys and he almost singlehandedly won a playoff game with two of the greatest throws I've ever seen to Jeff Janis. He targeted Janis, Abbrederis, and RichRod 31 times that game and we should have won the game. Think about that.
Lacy was good, but I think a big part of that was that Lacy was not what opposing defenses had to worry about stopping.
I didn't think it was possible, but we underestimated how good Rodgers is for years. Defenses have never really figured out how to stop him when he is healthy and is surrounded by even semi-competent talent.
There seems to be an odd set of circumstances forming in GB? I know everyone knows the first 2 points, but I am trying to “set the table” for what I type after that.
First, point – they will hire a new GM with the stipulation that MM is the HC for one year. And after that GM can fire/hire their own HC as the new GM sees fit.
Second point – They have fired both coordinators, the QB coach, the ILB coach, and the DL coach. This leaves MM (who might be fired after a year) and some other assistants.
So if you are being asked by MM to come and be either a coordinator or assistant coach in GB, and your HC is on the hot seat with the new GM, and it might only be a one year stand, with a house cleaning to follow, I can’t imagine anyone who is worth anything wanting to come into a situation like that.
While Murphy wants to do a though job with the GM search, the flip side is if he takes too long he ties MM hands and potentially sinks his ship before it leaves the dock. I wonder if they really thought all this out. Might have been better if they fired MM too and let the new GM repopulate all positions. That would at least lend some stability to the organization going forward.
Ghost of Lambeau posted:So if you are being asked by MM to come and be either a coordinator or assistant coach in GB, and your HC is on the hot seat with the new GM, and it might only be a one year stand, with a house cleaning to follow, I can’t imagine anyone who is worth anything wanting to come into a situation like that.
I was thinking about this myself- I’ll bet Fangio passes if he’s asked since if things go south in 2018 he’s going to be looking again. If reports that’s he’s not interested in HC spots is true, then GB isn’t do attrwzctuve after all. Perhaps some younger guys looking for HC opportunities would be interested- but established guys that would already be on the short list would be reluctant I’m sure.
If they’d have fired Capers in the season, they could have looked at one of the staff guys to see if there were improvements. They may wind up stuck with one anyway now... and that may ultimately be McCarthy’s demise. Lots of things going down at 1265...
PackFoo posted:Pakrz posted:All this change... yet nothing changes. Fire the OC and then keep him around. Get rid of the QB coach but leave the door open to return. Have TT step aside but have his mini me Russ Ball as your #1 target.
I'm half-ass starting to wonder if Dom Capers will be coaching the defensive line next year.
Status Quo.
That's how they roll in the Monongahela Valley.
None are a match for the dogs in Black Mirror's Metalhead.
"So if you are being asked by MM to come and be either a coordinator or assistant coach in GB, and your HC is on the hot seat with the new GM, and it might only be a one year stand, with a house cleaning to follow, I can’t imagine anyone who is worth anything wanting to come into a situation like that."
I don't think many asst coaches, even coordinators, get contracts longer than 2 years. Many are year to year. So offering a 2 year deal to the new DC/OC would at worst put the Packers on the hook for two 1-year buy outs if MM was fired and the new coach had his own coordinators.
That's why he got the extension. To make it appear that he's not a sitting duck, and in turn coordinators and asst coaches would want to come here.
Packers D after week 5 gave up 55% of their 3rd downs. Holy crap... that is amazing...
On the bright side....they stuffed em 45% of the time.
Mrs. Lincoln liked the play.
If this thing continues down the path of least resistance, which is replacing the GM et. al in house, a DC will know it's still a very stable situation to come into. I'm fairly certain any GM already employed at 1265 will have a similar affection for MM that his predecessor had.
Then again if the new DC is in house it doesn't really matter and all the wet drawers over the last few days was for nothin.
Pikes Peak posted:On the bright side....they stuffed em 45% of the time.
Steph Curry makes 3-pointers at a higher rate.
Packers defense - Just sickening
Brainwashed Boris posted:Pikes Peak posted:On the bright side....they stuffed em 45% of the time.
Steph Curry makes 3-pointers at a higher rate.
Packers defense - Just sickening
And Steph is constantly playing against guys that spend hours practicing schemes to try to stop him.
Ghost of Lambeau posted:....I wonder if they really thought all this out....
I'm sure I'm stating the obvious when I say you bet they have.
I'd think the situation was more fluid with MM, but they were prepared whether he was going to be extended or not. I doubt termination was a consideration until well into this season, because nobody expected it to go to hell in a handbasket.
The plan to replace TT was likely made more than a year ago, and I think was independent of any decision regarding McCarthy.
I do think how this season unfolded accelerated their plans.
I think the Ted deal was in the works, BUT would the Dom, Edgar etal moves have been made if Aaron had played all year and the Packers the #1 seed?
Pikes Peak posted:I think the Ted deal was in the works, BUT would the Dom, Edgar etal moves have been made if Aaron had played all year and the Packers the #1 seed?
I was just thinking about this after reading this article
"And, he insisted, many of the changes would have happened even if Minnesota Vikings linebacker Anthony Barr hadn’t fractured Rodgers’ right collarbone on Oct. 15 in Minneapolis, sending a once-promising 4-1 season into a tailspin"
We ended last year in a familiar fashion, by getting totally run over in the playoffs. This time by the Falcons. With all off-season to "get it fixed" we play the Falcons again and .... get run over yet again.
I tend to think this team would have made the playoffs but failed to get to the Super Bowl due to the defense. we were so ineffective against good offenses that Brees or even Newton, Goff, Keenum could pick us apart. And theres no way we'd hold up to Brady.
You can only speculate because we'll never know, but that follow up blowout loss to the Falcons (who really needed that win to squeak into the playoffs) was all I needed to know
Yup, my thoughts exactly as it happened. New team, new talent, same idiot coordinator who let Collin Kaepernick get rich....
How did the dip**** get rich? The piece of **** ****er doesn't have a job.
I’ll come be our offensive coordinator 5 WR every play 😂
— James Jones (@89JonesNTAF) January 4, 2018
Cobb, Monty, Davis, Geronimo, and Janis! in a 5 WR set.
In the 1.4 GamePlan ... McDermott on the QB switch, how it impacted the Bills ... More on Jimmy G and Gruden ... and Fritz Pollard Alliance chair John Wooten on the Rooney Rule. https://t.co/veI57DIbki pic.twitter.com/xkt6hLrS1d
— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 5, 2018
Fedya posted:Cobb, Monty, Davis, Geronimo, and Janis! in a 5 WR set.
Not nearly good enough.
GBFanForLife posted:How did the dip**** get rich? The piece of **** ****er doesn't have a job.
Millions in contract, already paid.