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The season grades are out on our 2 opening day starters at inside linebacker, and as was clear to the naked eye they are not pretty. Given that both Jones and Hawk are highly paid through next season and the team saves $3.5 million (Jones) and $3.25 million (Hawk) by cutting them, can anyone provide a scenario whereby one or both of these guys is back next year? I know that Hawk has some fans but I for one will be shocked if either one of them are still on the team in 2015.

 

The grades:

 

1) McGinn; http://www.jsonline.com/sports...313z1-289706171.html

 

A.J. Hawk: It was sad, really. Hawk, a durable, contributing part of this defense for eight years, hit the wall. Hawk had been slipping but it was never this bad. Despite playing 71.6% of the downs, he didn't have a single tackle for loss after averaging 3.44 from 2006-'13. Largely because he couldn't run anymore, he allowed a LB-high 4½ passes of 20 yards or more. One reason he missed just four tackles was the fact he couldn't get to plays. He had just five pressures in 77 blitzes. When he did make it to the right gap, blockers and backs frequently surged right over the top of him. Even Hawk's ability to think on his feet deserted him on Seattle's fake FG-TD pass when he didn't stay as deep as the deepest receiver. Ted Thompson has to admit the tape doesn't lie. They'll cut Hawk, save $3.5 million against the cap and bring in a flock of new ILBs. It's possible someone like Rex Ryan might sign Hawk for the minimum to make calls for a complex system. Grade: F.

 

Brad Jones: The Packers will move on from Jones as well; his expected release will amount to $3.75 million in cap savings. So satisfied with his LB rotation down the stretch, even Mike McCarthy couldn't fool himself any longer and replaced Jones as his dime LB with Barrington in Seattle. After playing 68 of 70 snaps with a bad thigh injury in the opener, Jones was put down for three weeks before returning in bit roles here and there. Despite 17.4% playing time, Jones drew five of the ILB's seven penalties. The heavy-legged Jones, still able to strike a blow and play special teams, has lost too much quickness and change of direction. He is a tough guy. Grade: D-plus.

 
 

A.J. Hawk

Time finally caught up with the franchise's all-time leading tackler. Hawk worked in the heart of a run defense that was giving up a league-worst 153.6 yards per game at the bye week. As an every-down player, Hawk appeared slow in coverage on plays like Kyle Rudolph's 23-yard completion for Minnesota in Week 12. The Packers eventually replaced him in the nickel with Barrington and in the dime with Jones. He averaged 20 snaps per game in the final month playing strictly in the 3-4 base defense. When Matthews exited briefly against Seattle, the defense gushed yards when Hawk re-entered inside. He maintained that he wasn't injured and finished his ninth year with the Packers with 89 tackles and a half-sack. He was frozen on Jon Ryan's touchdown pass to Garry Gilliam off a fake field goal. Durability will be his legacy if the organization chooses to part ways with him this offseason.

Grade: F.

Brad Jones

Jones' inconsistency and propensity for penalties hurt the Packers. He missed three games with a quad injury following an atrocious performance in the opener against Seattle in which he had four tackles with three misses. Jones never regained his starting job, finishing with 18 tackles. He played in the dime late in the season before giving way to Barrington in the NFC championship game. Inexplicably, Jones had a team-high six defensive penalties despite playing only 217 snaps. Three came after the defense successfully stopped the opposing team on third down. Jones had a 9-yard sack of Miami quarterback Ryan Tannehill on second-and-11 erased with illegal use of hands and scrapped a Peppers/Matthews sack in the opener because of an illegal contact penalty. He blocked a field goal against Atlanta and forced a fumble in the NFC championship game, but Ryan told MMQB.com that the Seahawks tried a fake field goal because Jones was on the field and his tendency was to sell out for a block.

Grade: F.

 

 

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There is no way Ted and Mike watch the final two Seahawk drives last Sunday in regulation and think Hawk can still play. Hawk could not have had a bigger bullseye on his chest. 

 

On Lynchs 24 yard run Hawk jammed his nose up someone's ass and took himself out of the play almost instantly. He ran the wrong way on Wilsons read option after the on side kick. I don't think he ever looked more incompetent than he did on those 2 drives. 

 

He and Jones are never playing another snap in Green Bay. 

 

 

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

Hawk could not have had a bigger bullseye on his chest. 

 

Wait. It's legal to target less than stellar players on the defensive side of the ball? Does that apply only if they are god awful players, or does that apply as well to players that stupidly are playing with only one arm? Because, this revelation is something we might want to let the coaching staff know.

Originally Posted by Boris:

How many do you want me to send to the Packer front office?

Every one of them. Make sure you also include all the Dan Compers and the McStupid Face ones too.  

I can't imagine either guy will return, not with practically every fan, beat writer, and blogger advocating their departure -- including this guy:

 

ttp://packerstalk.com/2015/01/29/five-potential-green-bay-packers-cap-casualties/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

1. A.J. Hawk

The value that Hawk brought to the Packers had been argued by many people for years, but nobody can argue that he absolutely hit a wall this season in his eighth year in the NFL. Hawk was a player who could not really afford to lose a step since he did not have much speed and explosiveness to begin with. Hawk could not stay with anybody in coverage this season or make any impact plays. The Packers realized this when Kyle Rudolph turned a two-yard catch into a 23-yard gain on Nov.23 by running away from Hawk like he was stuck in mud.  He never regained his starting spot after that play. As soon as he replaced Clay Matthews during the final drive on the NFC Championship game all hell broke loose. That’s not to say it was all his fault, but it was certainly noticeable. He was partially at fault for the fake field goal conversion for Seattle that got the Seahwks back in the game. He went after punter Jon Ryan who would have had to run nine yards for a first down instead of staying as deep as the deepest man. That is a mistake a high school player makes.  The Packers will save $3.5 million against the cap by cutting Hawk.

“A.J., he doesn’t have it anymore,” Seattle offensive line coach Pat Ruel told Cheesehead TV. “I hate to say it. He’s very instinctive, but we could see it a lot of times in the game. He didn’t have enough speed to get there anymore. He’s a guy that probably had a great career, and I would say he’s pretty close to the end of it.”

2. Brad Jones

Jones rivals Hawk for the worst contract Ted Thompson has ever given out as Packers general manager. After it looked like he was going to be a capable starter at inside linebacker after the 2011 season, he has been dreadful over the last two years. It was clear from the season opening game in Seattle that Jones should not be on the field. He wasn’t on the field much afterwards. He was the dime linebacker and played on special teams, but even with such short playing time he killed the Packers with big penalties on third downs. The roughing the passer on Matthew Stafford in the last game of the regular season and the holding on DeMarco Murray in the Divisional round playoff game come to mind. The Packers will save about $3.7  million against the cap by cutting Jones.

Originally Posted by Iowacheese:

How much ware we still paying for that cock sucker Brandon Chillar

Here's a list of cock-suckers and how much they are being paid- along the right side of the page are all the dead money dudes

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/green-bay-packers

 

No sign of Chillar, but he does have a highlight film on youtube

6:50 in is a nice play on Cutler

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48l2ZKe-CdU

 

I think Jones is gone , Packers save 3.7 million. I think  the Packers bring Hawk back at a cheaper price they need someone their to support who ever they draft.  They bring back Peppers at 3.5 million they paid him last season instead of 12 million.

The good thing is that the Packers have cap space and will create a who bunch more.

Last edited by turnip blood
Originally Posted by turnip blood:

I think Jones is gone , Packers save 3.7 million. I think  the Packers bring Hawk back at a cheaper price they need someone their to support who ever they draft.  They bring back Peppers at 3.5 million they paid him last season instead of 12 million.

The good thing is that the Packers have cap space and will create a who bunch more.

TT and MM have done a lot of good things. The way they managed the AJ Hawk situation was not one of the those. In fact, it was one of their worst. To quote Branch Rickey, it's always better to get rid of guy a year too early than a year too late. In Hawk's case, they waited at least two years too late.

 

There were many things that cost them a Super Bowl appearance this year. Hawk played a role in several of them. The mental mistake on the fake FG was bad, but the difference when he had to replace CM3 in their ability to stop the run summed up his year. The fact that Mark Ingram looked like Earl Campbell when they played New Orleans was to some degree because Hawk was on the field. For whatever reason, they've kept playing a guy for 1-2 seasons that isn't an NFL caliber LB anymore. In the end, those are the mistakes that cost you.

 

 

Originally Posted by ammo:

I think Peppers will get $5 million.  Dead money would equal his cap number. Fair to all. 

Yeah, right. I can just see Peppers' agent trying to explain that to him.

Hawk had some really nice games in 2013.  He slimmed down and changed his body a bit, got faster then fizzled.  He probably saw the writing on the wall in the 2013 offseason and at least tried to do something about it.  Couldn't outrun father time.

"Coach on the field" hawk has been pure chit for 2.5 years. 

 

slowdum has been pure chit for 4 years. 

 

"If I only had a brain" jones, has always been pure chit. Donuts, mmmmmmmmm..........

 

 

Originally Posted by Satori:

Who will we bash on this season ?

 

Hawk/Jones gone, Bush hanging by a thread....

The Wizard already has Hawk and Jones penciled as starters.

Last edited by Henry
Originally Posted by turnip blood:

 I think  the Packers bring Hawk back at a cheaper price they need someone their to support who ever they draft.  

 

Here's a novel idea.   How about a coach worth two ****s instead wasting a roster spot.

Both guys should have been gone prior to the start of this season...or at the very least one of them should have been gone and the other turned into a backup

 

Improving the ILB play will go a long way into turning the defense completely around. I hope this is the year they finally "get it fixed"

Two of the worst contracts TT has ever handed out.   Even though Jones is the better player than Hawk, I see his contract as the worst.  After one season with mediocre results he hands out a deal making him a top 20 paid ILB? At the time, it might have been top 10.

 

At least Hawk had several mediocre seasons under his belt.  lol

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