httpAlex FlanaganVerified account @Alex_Flanagan 32m32 minutes ago
#saints Rookie safety Marcus Williams feel to his knees on his way to locker room after his missed tackle cost saints the game and then inside the locker cried with his head in his hands.
The Saints should never have been in that situation. What kind of defensive play call was that at the end? It should have been like a Hail Mary play. 3-4 defenders back by the end zone. Instead? Man coverage WTF?!?
Then you have Payton taking a knee with Kamara on the 3rd and 1? Why? Get the 1st down. You can run the time out and kick the game winner with no time left.
Zimmer's clock management wasn't much better at the end but they got rewarded ala Bostick or 4th and 26. Just horrendous.
Tschmack posted:The Saints should never have been in that situation. What kind of defensive play call was that at the end? It should have been like a Hail Mary play. 3-4 defenders back by the end zone. Instead? Man coverage WTF?!?
Then you have Payton taking a knee with Kamara on the 3rd and 1? Why? Get the 1st down. You can run the time out and kick the game winner with no time left.
Zimmer's clock management wasn't much better at the end but they got rewarded ala Bostick or 4th and 26. Just horrendous.
Huh? Seems like an individual bad play that led to a loss.
Brainwashed Boris posted:The only thing you don't want to do is leave empty green behind you. Literally any other decision is the right one. Just nuts.
Congrats on the win. I'm assuming you pushed on the Saints +5?
Tschmack posted:?
Then you have Payton taking a knee with Kamara on the 3rd and 1? Why? Get the 1st down. You can run the time out and kick the game winner with no time left.
EXACTLY! When are coaches going to understand that playing defense starts on offense. don't let the opponent have the ball last.
Well said. Wondered why they didn’t have more deep to prevent a Hail Mary type thing which is what I was expecting. 10 seconds no time to even spike it for a field goal try
FLPACKER posted:Tschmack posted:?
Then you have Payton taking a knee with Kamara on the 3rd and 1? Why? Get the 1st down. You can run the time out and kick the game winner with no time left.
EXACTLY! When are coaches going to understand that playing defense starts on offense. don't let the opponent have the ball last.
I thought that was smart though run it get the first and you can run clock down or make Vikes use time outs
NFL has to be sweating. It's turned into a crapfest.
Yes, but it looked like they were just trying to center the ball for the FG & knew they would not get the first down on that play vs. the defensive look they got.
bigdoggyjude posted:Just curious how those two loss of TO affected outcome. We will never know for sure. All I said is that it looked to be an issue when faced with 4 and 10 after seeing middle of field open. And you chose that to be fighting words. You amped up tone. So go away little brain.
NO took over with 1:29. They had 1 TO, MIN had 3 TOs (cough cough this is important cough cough)
1st down. Incomplete pass. Time stopped. (1:25)
2nd down. Pass for 18 yard. INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD. NO let clock run. If you want to balance scoring and leaving least amount of time, you do exactly this.
1st down. Pass complete at numbers, Ginn runs out of bounds for 11. Which is what every player with a brain does when you are balancing scoring and leaving least amount of time. (1:01)
Then 3 straight incomplete passes. Whether they were incomplete over the middle (1st one) or near the sidelines (2nd and 3rd) it doesn't matter how many TOs you have left. As clock was stopped.
4th and 10 pass to Sneed for 13 and 1st down, pushed OB. On 4th down the focus in yards. They got it, and Sneed went out with 40 seconds left.
1st and 10 Pass to Ginn, gets out of bounds. with 37 seconds left.
2nd and 6 Pass to Thomas IN BOUNDS for 5.
MINNESOTA CALLS TIMEOUT STOPPING THE CLOCK WITH 33 left (because while NO would have let the clock run, Minny smartly tried saving time)
3rd and 1 Kimara stuffed short.
MINNESOTA CALLS TIMEOUT STOPPING THE CLOCK WITH 29 left (because while NO would have let the clock run, Minny smartly tried saving time)
4th and 1, NO kicks FG with 25 left.
So, again, NO didn't even use 1 TO. And Minny had 3 starting the drive, using 2 to save time themselves.
Where exactly would 2 additional timeouts for NO lead to running more clock and leaving Min no time left? Please educate this little brain.
Ok, we got to get over this.....we have to start doing he mojo thing that when the queens get to Philadelphia they get lost, they lose the mojo they had at their NEW home field to win that damn game against the saints. We have to do a curse type thing....so they DON’T AGAIN. Are you with me???
When you see how this season is playing out, it does kind of make you wonder if the Vikes are a team of destiny. First Rodgers goes down to eliminate the Packers from contention, then the potential MVP goes down to weaken the #1 seed in the NFC late in the year. Now today, they come up with one of the greatest miracle finishes in recent playoff history. All in a season where the Super Bowl is in their house. Maybe this really is the year to make up for all the misery they've had there.
FLPACKER posted:Tschmack posted:?
Then you have Payton taking a knee with Kamara on the 3rd and 1? Why? Get the 1st down. You can run the time out and kick the game winner with no time left.
EXACTLY! When are coaches going to understand that playing defense starts on offense. don't let the opponent have the ball last.
Unless that opponent is quarterbacked by Brett Favre
I'm waiting with breathless anticipation of the response here, CA. Just to see what he could possibly come up with.
So, the potential Super Bowl matchup looks like this:
New England (because, come on, the NFL is going to make sure its darling Tommy gets a shot at ring #6) vs:
the Philadelphia Eagles, who are 0-2 in the Super Bowl.
or
the Minnesota Vikings, who are 0-4 in the Super Bowl.
And both teams are playing with backup quarterbacks.
Brady and Belichick have to be licking their chops.
CAPackFan95 posted:bigdoggyjude posted:Just curious how those two loss of TO affected outcome. We will never know for sure. All I said is that it looked to be an issue when faced with 4 and 10 after seeing middle of field open. And you chose that to be fighting words. You amped up tone. So go away little brain.
NO took over with 1:29. They had 1 TO, MIN had 3 TOs (cough cough this is important cough cough)
1st down. Incomplete pass. Time stopped. (1:25)
2nd down. Pass for 18 yard. INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD. NO let clock run. If you want to balance scoring and leaving least amount of time, you do exactly this.
1st down. Pass complete at numbers, Ginn runs out of bounds for 11. Which is what every player with a brain does when you are balancing scoring and leaving least amount of time. (1:01)
Then 3 straight incomplete passes. Whether they were incomplete over the middle (1st one) or near the sidelines (2nd and 3rd) it doesn't matter how many TOs you have left. As clock was stopped.
4th and 10 pass to Sneed for 13 and 1st down, pushed OB. On 4th down the focus in yards. They got it, and Sneed went out with 40 seconds left.
1st and 10 Pass to Ginn, gets out of bounds. with 37 seconds left.
2nd and 6 Pass to Thomas IN BOUNDS for 5.
MINNESOTA CALLS TIMEOUT STOPPING THE CLOCK WITH 33 left (because while NO would have let the clock run, Minny smartly tried saving time)
3rd and 1 Kimara stuffed short.
MINNESOTA CALLS TIMEOUT STOPPING THE CLOCK WITH 29 left (because while NO would have let the clock run, Minny smartly tried saving time)
4th and 1, NO kicks FG with 25 left.
So, again, NO didn't even use 1 TO. And Minny had 3 starting the drive, using 2 to save time themselves.
Where exactly would 2 additional timeouts for NO lead to running more clock and leaving Min no time left? Please educate this little brain.
OK...first off, I apologize for calling you a dumbass - that was inappropriate.
2nd down. Pass for 18 yard. INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD. NO let clock run. If you want to balance scoring and leaving least amount of time, you do exactly this. --> That's the point I am trying to make.
Then 3 straight incomplete passes. Whether they were incomplete over the middle (1st one) or near the sidelines (2nd and 3rd) it doesn't matter how many TOs you have left. As clock was stopped. --> because of limited TO's it would be a catch and get out of bounds or incomplete. During this stretch, the middle of the field was wide open and so were receivers running in that space. So I thought 1 TO forced their hands to throw out routes.
My point is they could have taken a shot in the middle and let more time come off clock once they started to approach mid field, but instead were forced to throw out routes, which were incomplete because of tight coverage.
If NO had 3 TO's and called/executed the exact same plays as they did happen with 1TO, then yes - the additional TO's mean diddly poo.
But 25 seconds should have been low enough time to win 99 out of 100 times unless AR12 is the QB, and that is no AR12 in Minny. So in the end, it was a fluke play and bad D that cost the game - no doubt. I am just arguing they could have played the last series differently if perhaps they had more TO's to burn. But maybe not - just maybe the NFL got what they are hoping for.
It is interesting to hear NFL network discuss how storylines favor a NE-MN SB. Not saying Zebra's made it happen this way, just interesting dialogue.
Peace!
Rodgers didn't just "go down" he was subject to a cheap shot by Anthony Barr. It wasn't some fluke injury and those assholes directly benefitted from it. To that extent I hope they get disappointed or embarassed again. Karma bitches.
The Wentz injury wasn't expected but I wouldn't count out Philly. They allowed 10 points to an ATL team that was hot and they are at home.
So they don't kick the extra point and the game is a push @5. If you had Saints +5.5 you love it.
Who is going to have a rougher week?
Marcus Williams, or the idiot in Hawaii that pushed the Staples "a ballistic missile is headed for Hawaii" Easy Button?
ABC News needs to release the name and picture of the doofus in Hawaii to make this a real nail-biter.
Tschmack posted:Rodgers didn't just "go down" he was subject to a cheap shot by Anthony Barr. It wasn't some fluke injury and those assholes directly benefitted from it. To that extent I hope they get disappointed or embarassed again. Karma bitches.
The Wentz injury wasn't expected but I wouldn't count out Philly. They allowed 10 points to an ATL team that was hot and they are at home.
Are the #1 seeded Eagles dogs at home for a second straight week? That would have to be unprecedented, wouldn't it?
Has a #1 seed ever been an underdog before?
Tschmack posted:Rodgers didn't just "go down" he was subject to a cheap shot by Anthony Barr.
it was not a cheap shot. all within the rules. get over it.
Would have been nice to see a quality team step up in the NFC. But we are left with disappointment after the Wentz injury and a fluke win by the queens.
Go AFC.
fightphoe93 posted:When you see how this season is playing out, it does kind of make you wonder if the Vikes are a team of destiny.
They’re going to see a very different defense next week. The Eagles D is very good- Keenum won’t get away with late throws over the middle and lucky downfield brain dumps.
That game might end up 12-7...
chickenboy posted:Tschmack posted:Rodgers didn't just "go down" he was subject to a cheap shot by Anthony Barr.
it was not a cheap shot. all within the rules. get over it.
Th f**k it wasn’t... after the throw he has two full strides to pull up and doesn’t. Rodgers has gotten that call before. The stars get that call. This time they got away with one. Barr shouldn’t have functional knees next time these two face off..
Holy asscabbages. What an ending.
Swear to Bob, damn near yell-puked during the last 2 minutes or so. I was convinced it was going to happen again, even calmed myself as I stood there. I looked down at my hands and saw purple glitter on them. F*cking glitter. I thought to myself, "I have to drive home in snowy roads after getting my heart torn from my carcass again, and I have glitter on my f*cking hands." I looked around me to try and spot who the hell was shedding glitter. I decided it was the female yak occupying the seat at my 2 o'clock, one row down. I thought to myself..."you heifer. You have to drive home with purple and gold glitter on your face after getting your heart torn from your carcass."
And then it happens. HO LEE CHIT. GTFOH!
I f*cking LOVE glitter.
Anywho....how was yer's guyses day?
My week will be:
chickenboy posted:Tschmack posted:Rodgers didn't just "go down" he was subject to a cheap shot by Anthony Barr.
it was not a cheap shot. all within the rules. get over it.
BS
It really doesn' matter that AR was IR'ed. Our pass D would have gotten shredded by any of the offenses in the playoffs. And there were too many good D's to have expected to win shootouts with everybody. MIN was lucky tonight. But they were also good.
Drop your head and whiff.
Blair Kiel posted:Pakrz posted:
Marcus Williams #43. Complete dumbfukk.
Maybe I'm mellowing with age...but I truly feel sorry for this kid that he is going to carry the stink of that brain fart for the rest of his life.
He can reminisce at the old folks' home with Blair Walsh. Or Gary Andersen.
Keenum did what we dared him to do....make plays. And he hit a couple of big ones. He wasn't the reason they won the game; in fact he was one lucky fugger chucking the ball up for grabs over and over and not get intercepted. His receivers bailed him out BIG time.
I've remarked in other threads that so much has fell into place for the Vikes this year. They've taken advantage of their opportunities, but have been incredibly lucky to be in positions to do so.
But when a game is won on a play like happened last night....that's a horseshoe from a whole 'nother level.
Got lots of respect for this kid. Have been in locker rooms and clubhouses where veteran players have sneaked out, done the `no comment' thing, or hidden in training room. Williams, a rookie, stood tall, answered the questions, made no excuses. That's class. https://t.co/DlISNA8sjf
— Gene Wojciechowski (@GenoEspn) January 15, 2018
Have to give Williams credit for how he handled it.
I won my bets....Do I Let it ride on the Vikings again? Hell yeah!!
More importantly.......Do I?
chickenboy posted:Tschmack posted:Rodgers didn't just "go down" he was subject to a cheap shot by Anthony Barr.
it was not a cheap shot. all within the rules. get over it.
BULL! I will NEVER get over that cheap shot!
Vikings installed a 3 Point favorite
Packers weren't going anywhere in the post season this year anyway. Assuming his shoulder heals 100%, it saved another 10 games of wear and tear on him. And best of all, became the tipping point for the house cleaning we just witnessed.
DH13 posted:Packers weren't going anywhere in the post season this year anyway.
Methinks with guys like Keenum and Foles leading teams they would have had as good of shot as any. Another missed opportunity.
I do agree that the housecleaning that occurred may have been a blessing in disguise.
You think our secondary could have done any better last night than NO did? Have you been in a coma for the last 7 years? Keenum is not bad. He's not great but is efficient enough to bleed you down the field with those receivers. He threw up some lotto balls last night but he can get things done with a #1 D. Imagine if he had D Cook behind him.
chickenboy posted:Tschmack posted:Rodgers didn't just "go down" he was subject to a cheap shot by Anthony Barr.
it was not a cheap shot. all within the rules. get over it.
BS
