Fedya posted:

I’d rather have a healthy Rodgers and new D coordinator in June 2018

Why do you think you're getting a new D coordinator?

Because the “Dom is an outstanding football coach” argument, as ridiculous as it sounds, is much easier to say with a straight face when your team just made it to the NFCCG. Based on what we saw last game, this team will be lucky to win another game. 

I’m not claiming that MM’s loyalty won’t win out again after this season, but there will be much more pressure on him to make some changes if the Packers miss the playoffs. 

Hungry5 posted:

From what I've read, metal does not have to come out, ever. Leaving in or removing is about comfort.

This.   In fact, in the US, they tend to want to leave it in.   

Recent studies I've read, these were pertaining to the ankle though, suggest that taking it out typically results an improved motion and decrease in discomfort.   Since AR isn't the typical US patient, I'm guessing his ortho surgeon takes it out but that won't be for a long time.

I highly doubt he plays this year and depending on the timing of the 2nd surgery to remove the hardware, it may even impact next year.     

1 - Internal fixator, AKA plate and screws
2 - Wait for bone growth.
3 - Remove fixator
4 - Wait for soft tissue repair
5 - Rehab soft tissue.

I don't think removing the plate will impact next year, unless they wait until July to do it. If he does not play this year, he could have it out in Dec/Jan from what I understand.

Not that it has anything to do with anything but.....

...I had a 4 inch titanium screw inserted into my knee to hold my acl in place next to my IT Band (I think I'm right...it was 30 years ago) A year or two afterwards, although healed, I was keenly aware of the screw---in particular the head of the screw and it did cause discomfort. Went back in under a local to to have it removed (and watched it happen on a monitor).

So, based on my experience, yeah, I could see once the screws have done their job, having them removed as a comfort issue.

Mike talks about self scouting a lot. He needs to self scout himself like he’s never done before. In the words of Rick Patino. “Aaron Rodgers isn’t walking through that door”. The scent of self preservation has a faint whiff of decay right now. 

Green Bay has spent many a year running unimaginative vertical stick routes predicated on Aaron Rodgers breaking containment and finding recievers finding space where Aaron could find them. Aaron has taken a lot of risk and hits because of it. It finally hit home in Minny. 

Watching Hundley against New Orleans I’m not fully convinced Mike and staff know how to fix this. We’re talking about overhauling everything the offense has been coached to do with Rodgers at QB. 

I know Mike gets QBs. I don’t know for certain he gets offense. I sincerely don’t think Edgar Bennett is the guy that’s going to help revamp the offense for Hundley in 10 Days. I don’t know if they fully know how to help Hundley be the best he can be. We’re talking about a new offense in two weeks here.

Im not even going to start on Capers. There is so much tape of ways to cross up his defense with substitution and leverage communication breakdowns. It’s too easy to create things pre snap. Capers should have been fired years ago. But Mikes gotta fight that fight while trying to reset things on offense. 

If Mike wins 4-5 games the rest of the way he’s a magician. But his undying loyalty to his staff is probably going to prevent that from happening. 

Hungry5 posted:

I don't think removing the plate will impact next year, unless they wait until July to do it. If he does not play this year, he could have it out in Dec/Jan from what I understand.

I don't think they will remove the plate until the bone is fully healed.   

The fact that it needs a fixator tells me it's displaced, so getting new bone to grow and join the two pieces together takes time.    I would guess 4 months before they even consider removing the hardware. 

Blair Kiel posted:

Not that it has anything to do with anything but.....

...I had a 4 inch titanium screw inserted into my knee to hold my acl in place next to my IT Band (I think I'm right...it was 30 years ago) A year or two afterwards, although healed, I was keenly aware of the screw---in particular the head of the screw and it did cause discomfort. Went back in under a local to to have it removed (and watched it happen on a monitor).

So, based on my experience, yeah, I could see once the screws have done their job, having them removed as a comfort issue.

Yeah, same here.   I can feel the screw heads.     

The difference is the plate connecting the two pieces of bone.   It gets, not sure how to phrase this, stuck to the bone and sorta becomes a part of you.   It's not a gentle procedure to remove it.   You have to move the soft tissue out of the way and kinda work it off.   So yeah, he won't be throwing a football the week after. 

Good point on the plate....that bad boy ain't going anywhere....

...another irony. I sold titanium plates  and screws in the OR for cranio-maxillofacial reconstructions....jaws and orbital bones mostly.

I got paid by the screw and plate, so whenever the doc would ask, I'd say, "Sure. another one will be even better."

Maybe ARod only needed 5 screws and some Goddam sales rep padded his payday. 

Blair Kiel posted:

Good point on the plate....that bad boy ain't going anywhere....

...another irony. I sold titanium plates  and screws in the OR for cranio-maxillofacial reconstructions....jaws and orbital bones mostly.

I got paid by the screw and plate, so whenever the doc would ask, I'd say, "Sure. another one will be even better."

Maybe ARod only needed 5 screws and some Goddam sales rep padded his payday. 

TBH BK that is a completely abhorred way to promote more sales of a product.  But the medical industry never ceases to surprise me with their hippocracy despite the Hippocratic oath...

Agree...I may have exaggerated a bit...I've been in medical sales for 35 years and quite honestly have always gone the ethical route----I take great pleasure in convincing somebody the $1,000 device is a better option than the $3,000 option...but the things I've seen......would make your toes curl.

Some doctors lack the common sense (and ethics) of felons.

...and we'd ALL be shocked at how many surgeries are literally orchestrated and guided by sales people.

I can’t believe how expensive staples are compared to screws. 

I really like my rep, not pushy doesn’t let the technology drive my procedure choices let’s me say what I’m doing and why and we pick the best options. Very very different than what I was used too at my old practice.  

Talk to OR nurses or nurses in general they will always tell you who the best reps and doctors really are. 

This thread is taking a turn toward enlightening. 

Anyone got hypodermic needles for sale?

Yes, Rodgers had 13 screws surgically placed in the area of his injury to presumably help speed up the process, something most athletes do to get back into action faster than normal.

Professional cyclist, Lance Armstrong underwent a similar procedure in 2009 to repair his broken right clavicle, suffered in the Vuelta a Castilla y Leon race in Spain. Alternatively, Armstrong had 12 screws inserted into his collarbone and was able to return just over a month later.

Of course, in Rodgers' case, it's a little trickier since it's his throwing arm.

"Sometimes athletes -- and this happens in Europe among soccer players -- they're actually treated surgically to get them back on the field more quickly," said Dr. Frank A. Cordasco, an orthopedic surgeon at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York City, in 2009 at the time of Armstrong's injury.

The Packers are among many hoping for a Dec. 17 return for Rodgers, which would pit him against the Carolina Panthers. He would have to be one of the two players the Packers are able to activate from I.R. per season.

Have to think the Juice helped Lance along, eh?

...another irony. I sold titanium plates  and screws in the OR for cranio-maxillofacial reconstructions....jaws and orbital bones mostly.

I'm surprised they let you in the OR.

Not everyone has restraining orders against them, bub.

Deshaun Watson out for the season....ACL.  This is the stuff that is hurting ratings , Rodgers, OBJ, Watt Luck, Watson....any industry that loses its stars will be hurt at the box office.

Too bad the Vikes don't tear a few more ACL's!    

Packiderm posted:

Too bad the Vikes don't tear a few more ACL's!    

And people say we are not a Christian nation.

Watson is one of the rising stars and a lot of fun to watch.  Until now.  Damn the Texans have been rocked by injuries. 

Pikes Peak posted:

Deshaun Watson out for the season....ACL.  This is the stuff that is hurting ratings , Rodgers, OBJ, Watt Luck, Watson....any industry that loses its stars will be hurt at the box office.

That sucks horrendously.  He legitimately was having as good a rookie year as any QB I had ever seen.   I hope he doesn't head along the same path as RGIII did after his excellent rookie year.  One thing in Watson's favor over RGIII, he's got his head screwed on straight whereas RGIII was a diva who didn't do himself any favors in how he handled things.  From everything I've heard about Watson, he is an upstanding guy with high character.

The city of Houston went from a huge high of winning a world series to a huge low having to go back to Tom Savage as the leader of their football team. 

The QB talent in the NFL is on a serious decline. When they expanded to 32 teams, it was a stretch to find 32 NFL quality QB's. The talent level overall is going down. They may need to do a reduction in teams. College football has better competition at all levels.

Bad news for #Packers: Long snapper Taybor Pepper broke his foot in practice yesterday and is out for season. Headed for Injured Reserve.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) November 3, 2017

When it rains, it pours....

are humans no longer genetically strong/tough enough to play football?  has our GMO food and polluted water and air made us fragile? 

it's just ridiculous....

Rob Demovsky ESPN Staff Writer 

Derek Hart will be the Packers new long-snapper. They're bringing him back to replace Taybor Pepper, who had a foot injury in practice yesterday.

TE Richard Rodgers is the emergency snapper.

#Packers activate LB Vince Biegel, put safety Kentrell Brice on IR and signed cornerback Donatello Brown and LS Derek Hart. Busy day.

— Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) November 3, 2017

All sorts of moves today...

Bad news on Brice. He was one of the better DBs.
Signing Brown should help. IIRC, he had a pretty good TC/pre-season.

The Brice IR sucks but...more work for JJ.  He needs as many snaps as he can get to work through his learning curve and start having a more consistent positive impact.   The D needs him to start flashing again.

Per Tom P of the NFL NETWORK, RT Bryan Bulaga has torn his ACL. Out for the year 

hey, great news....... NOT.  

packerboi posted:

Per Tom P of the NFL NETWORK, RT Bryan Bulaga has torn his ACL. Out for the year 

It's very likely Bulaga has played his last game as a Packer. He's got an 8.3 million dollar cap hit next year and counts 3.2 million against the cap if they cut him. I think they'll save the 5 million and cut him loose.

....and the downward spiral continues...

Good thing Spriggs is back....

The NFL is getting too difficult to watch with all the injuries. So many great players standing on the sidelines; no wonder the ratings are down.

Good news is they might have a shot at getting their pick of the 1st tackle taken in the draft.  

A.Jones with MCL sprain.

Monty re-injures his ribs.

They'll be going with Williams, Rip, and Mays vs BAL.

Given our banged up OL and the way Rip can block, I would like to see more two-back sets. I thought Rip did a good job blocking yesterday.

I don't know why they wouldn't/didn't use more of Ripkowski right off the bat.  I'm guessing MM wants to keep the other team off balance with that crazy passing attack. 

Hungry5 posted:

McCarthy scheming to get Hundley ready.