fightphoe93 posted:chickenboy posted:I fully expected the offense to struggle a bit to start off but I am concerned about what seems like diminished arm strength,
I have to admit a slight concern there as well watching that Hail Mary fall well short of the end zone. Maybe he just threw it too high and that's why he didn't get the distance he needed.
They showed Rodgers after the play and he made some sort of motion like the wind caught it or something.
Wind? In Chicago? Doubtful.
My concerns are decisionmaking and some time inaccuracy such as the pass to someone in last year's Seattle game where the receiver was ~5 yards away and the ball was in the dirt (off by maybe 2 yards).
Prolly the recievers fault
Pikes Peak posted:Prolly the recievers fault
Or a lack of live game action together.
hey I love me some ar12, but I watched the saints, i see brees drawing air routes with his hands on the sidelines coaching everyone up, i am watching brady with his face buried in a surface on the sidelines, i see ar, he' got his arms crossed watching the defense by himself...im not sayin, but im sayin...
He's pushing 36, has 2 plates and 13 screws in his shoulder. He's no longer Superman, but put him in the right system and give him more than one quality receiver to throw to and he'll be just fine.
People are beating Rodgers up for not throwing to Graham on a quick out on one of his sacks. It was 3rd and 6 and that was not going to get a 1st down unless the defender fell down. Not likely. Rodgers could care less about a 3 yard pass when it is 3rd and six. Then the jail brake started as soon as he turned from him and he went down. If he sees MVC earlier on that same play then I would criticize the non throw but I dont think he had the time after he figured Jimmy was not going to get it.
One great AR game and this thread dies. Hope it's this Sunday. If not, we blame Danica just like we blamed Olivia. Time for LaFleur to earn his keep this game and out coach Zimmer. Misdirection, quick slants, draws or whatever it takes. Hey, I remember when we used to have a nice screen game.
Packy posted:One great AR game and this thread dies. Hope it's this Sunday. If not, we blame Danica just like we blamed Olivia. Time for LaFleur to earn his keep this game and out coach Zimmer. Misdirection, quick slants, draws or whatever it takes. Hey, I remember when we used to have a nice screen game.
and blaming me too for AR’s problems......enough already. 
The Packers are going to kick ass Sunday.
What ever happened to "he never gets tired of throwing the easy pass"? 
He got tired?
I think we all got tired of the slow-developing plays....
The "easy" pass needs an "easy" route.
AR completed 60% and had a 91.4 rating, against the bears, on the road.
Spoiled.
Who knows? Maybe the defender misses Graham and it's a first down. In any case, it has to be somewhat discouraging for his OL to block, hold your block, keep holding it... what? He didn't throw it?!! Not only that, but if the defense knows Rodgers is going to hold the ball for something downfield, every DL and LB can rush without fear of a short completion. As a DC playing against Rodgers, you can bring the house on every down and let that RB run free five yards past the LOS because you know he's not going to get the ball. Plus, by the end of the game the OL is worn down just when we might need them the most. It's a win-win if Rodgers mixes it up.
heyward posted:He's pushing 36, has 2 plates and 13 screws in his shoulder. He's no longer Superman, but put him in the right system and give him more than one quality receiver to throw to and he'll be just fine.
Anthony Barr may have done permanent damage to AR. I have a plate and some screws in my right elbow after fracturing and dislocating it in a fall from a ladder (actually dislocated both elbows in the same accident) and despite many sessions of physical therapy, I have decreased range of motion in that elbow. Rodger's throwing shoulder was the one hurt, and it may have altered his delivery.
Shoulder, elbow, it's all the same.
RochNyFan posted:Anthony Barr may have done permanent damage to AR.
He did permanent damage to some Packers fans.
Next up!
I think that some defenses have figured the McV-MLF offense out. NE did note in the Superb Owl that the Oline had tells. Also, plays in the new offense is based on one play setting up another. When that does not happen and the scripted plays are done then there is a void of options to choose from. Perhaps that’s why Matt says that it is on him to come up with better plays. When our receivers don’t get open then that may create a domino effect for any play to follow.
I think all offenses have been figured out. Defenses are rarely fooled anymore. Andy Reid's offense isn't anything groundbreaking, he's just doing a better job than everyone else of forcing mismatches. Reid can keep the same personnel on the field, not allowing the defense to sub, and use pre-snap movement to get favorable matchups by the offense. From there, as in all cases, it comes down to execution. Defenses aren't forcing our offense to be inconsistent, we have players who aren't winning 1on1's and no amount of scheming is going to overcome that. You ask 11 players to execute on any given play and 1 player (::cough:: Graham ::cough:
can fuck up the whole thing by losing.
The offense has shown signs of production...but it's been very limited and against 3 very good defenses.
They should settle into the new offense ....and they won''t be playing the Bears and Vikings defense every week.
Heard on MKE radio yesterday : After 3 weeks the Packers have the 7th best offense in the 1st Quarter. In quarters 2 , 3, and 4 they rank 30th in the NFL. LaFluffers play scripting appears to work, but.....
After rewatching the DEN game, the offense was very good in Q1 (obviously), good in Q2, shat the bed in Q3 with a 3 and out, and a 1st down followed by 3 dud plays, and good in Q4 with the close out FG drive on their 1st possession in the last qtr.
At this point in the game, MLF has run out of scripted plays. And ,to echo GD, that’s when the 11 on offense has to execute its plays
Or just let the OC call the plays.
Opponents are taking Davante out of the game and so far, other than MVS sporadically, no one has been able to step up. Need someone like Travis Kelce or Sammy Watkins, who take pressure off Tyreek Hiil and make Mahomes more dynamic. No coincidence that Rodger's best years were when he had various combinations of Driver, Jordy, Jones, Jennings, Cobb and Cook. Right now it's Adam's, maybe MVS, and a bunch of bodies.
Allison is blowing his chance to get rich. At this rate, he will end up in Nick Perry land.
Rodgers: "It's time for us to do our part on offense moving forward. We play a stretch of really good football teams & at some point, we can't expect our defense to shut everybody down. They have been, but at some point the offense is gonna have to wake up & make some plays."
— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) September 24, 2019
Please continue to doubt
Can’t remember the source but I read that there were a few times when the receivers were not where they were supposed to be. While I do like that both Rodgers and Lefluer both took some ownership of that. Still, it really IS up to the receiving corps to know their assignment by now. If it’s just a matter of a couple of blown assignments, then practice and repetition will help. If it’s a matter of skill and smarts then it’s a personnel problem and time for some new blood at WR.
RochNyFan posted:Opponents are taking Davante out of the game and so far, other than MVS sporadically, no one has been able to step up. Need someone like Travis Kelce or Sammy Watkins, who take pressure off Tyreek Hiil and make Mahomes more dynamic. No coincidence that Rodger's best years were when he had various combinations of Driver, Jordy, Jones, Jennings, Cobb and Cook. Right now it's Adam's, maybe MVS, and a bunch of bodies.
YES! Was thinking this last night and went back and looked at highlight videos from that era. Many difficult contested catches that required body adjustment while the ball was in the air. Many short passes turned into long gains. Other than Adams who have we seen make those catches in the last 2 years?
Well, Kumerow would have but the man just keeps oppressing him.
I miss Jordy.
I thought great players elevated the performance of others?
And the more skilled they are already the higher that elevation.
Pakrz posted:I thought great players elevated the performance of others?
Elevated players also need to catch the football. MVS with 2 key drops on Sunday. MLF the on the Danny Vitale near TD pass which hit him in stride "You can't get tackled at the 1/2 yard line. You need to score there". Tonyan on the near miss TD pass in the EZ also turned his back on his route to re-locate the football. If he doesn't do that, that's probably a TD from AR.
It's little shit like that. But it's not all on AR. As he said today, guys "need to step it up".
If Vitale would have gotten into the EZ, AR's passer rating would have been 107 instead of 96. Again, when was the last time anyone other than Adams made a "great" catch?
Pakrz posted:I thought great players elevated the performance of others?
Unless the level can't be elevated
You really think the likes of MVS, Allison, Kumerow, etc. are THAT bad? I don't at all.
FLPACKER posted:If Vitale would have gotten into the EZ, AR's passer rating would have been 107 instead of 96. Again, when was the last time anyone other than Adams made a "great" catch?
Jordy....
Dez Bryant made a great NON-catch 😁
