DET #2 - NFC-N title

If I remember right we have been historically a man D. Something changed. My guess is that coaches thought the young guys cannot perform in man. It was probably seen in practice. Coaches see the players longer in practice than we do and decided to go zone and rely on pressure. Yes that means giving up some yards in the hope that the game is not lost because of it. I guess that's a bend but don't break mentality or even the dreaded prevent defense.

But it can work if pass rush pressure does what it is supposed to. And sometimes its just players not plays and our players are not doing their jobs for whatever reason. 

I would trust the kids playing press man coverage over the front 7 bringing pressure. The front 7 hasn't shown it can bring pressure on a consistent basis. The kids haven't shown they know how to play zone. 

My argument is that it has been the plan (gamble) that the zone blitz will do its job with the youngsters in zone coverage doing its job. Again, I think that the coaches see a better outcome because in zone there is a cushion for error in zone coverage by the DB's. In man if a pass breakup does not happen there is too much room for the receiver to take it long. Hence the prevent defense.

Grave Digger posted:

I don't think they suck in Man coverage at all, I would say that's probably the strength of the DBs...they're young and athletic and aggressive. The struggles in Zone are issues of youth IMO. Zone coverage is killer when you have guys like Peanut Tillman back there hunting the ball. Randall/Rollins/Gunter are all just in year 2, they're not reading the QB like they should and they're giving up too much ground in their zones. Part of it also is that our Safeties have been highly overrated in coverage...HHCD and Burnett aren't the security blanket over the top that they need to be. Young CBs aren't getting deep enough in their drops because they're peaking the backfield and Safeties aren't reading the QB or tracking the ball fast enough and it's vacating a huge spot right along the sidelines in the deep quarter. 

This, to me, is where coaching vs. front office seem to clash more than anything. I'm sure Capers would prefer to have savvy veterans guarding the boundaries rather than young players who don't see what they need to be seeing. Thompson prefers inexpensive youth that will grow up in the system. 

And what point does Joe Whitt get held responsible?

Great point. Whitt gets held on a pedestal for developing Sam Shields, but I'm unimpressed with what he's done so far with Randall, Rollins, and Gunter. They've all flashed talent in Man coverage, but where they get beat are all the nuances of  playing CB. They're still young and I'm sure they will all get better, but there has to be blame put on the position coach when all 3 players basically hit a sophomore slump. 

I will throw some blame at Darren Perry also. HHCD and Burnett have been lights out in run support, but have been inconsistent in providing the young corners with help over the top. 

If we're going to toss blame around to position coaches it starts with Moss and Trgovac. 

Grave Digger posted:

Great point. Whitt gets held on a pedestal for developing Sam Shields, but I'm unimpressed with what he's done so far with Randall, Rollins, and Gunter. They've all flashed talent in Man coverage, but where they get beat are all the nuances of  playing CB. They're still young and I'm sure they will all get better, but there has to be blame put on the position coach when all 3 players basically hit a sophomore slump. 

I will throw some blame at Darren Perry also. HHCD and Burnett have been lights out in run support, but have been inconsistent in providing the young corners with help over the top. 

As frustrating as the corners have been, they're all second years and probably going through a sophomore slump. Rollins is only in his third year of playing football. I bring up Whitt for the exact reasons you've mentioned; so many want him as a lock for DC but his group has been one of the biggest underperformers on this team.

The Packers are playing with a ****ty group of cornerbacks.  Maybe some of them will get better at times goes on (and in Randall's case, improved health), but right now it's a ****ty group of cornerbacks. 

Tdog posted:

talk about a mental problem, yeah I'm talking about catts.  I can't imagine watching the Packers play Detroit and trolling around on a dallass message board during the game.  who does that?  well, catts, the disturbed, apparently.  or is it lonely?  all them cats ain't good enough company?  wtf?

Go Pack Go!

PackerJoe posted:

The Packers are playing with a ****ty group of cornerbacks.  Maybe some of them will get better at times goes on (and in Randall's case, improved health), but right now it's a ****ty group of cornerbacks. 

How do you know they are salty?

Only s person with a mental disorder would post as a "catt" on a football message board.

PackerJoe posted:

The Packers are playing with a ****ty group of cornerbacks.  Maybe some of them will get better at times goes on (and in Randall's case, improved health), but right now it's a ****ty group of cornerbacks. 

They're playing ****ty, they're not a ****ty group. Randall, Rollins, and Gunter are all very talented players with bright futures, they just need to grow and hone their craft. Once Shields went down I had a feeling we would see some growing pains from this group, too much inexperience to expect them to have more than mixed results. 

Salty doesnt work. I believe the word you are looking for is, "toasty"

GBFanForLife posted:

Only s person with a mental disorder would post as a "catt" on a football message board.

So says the man into cosplay.

our DBs, much like Adams last year, are dinged up and doing the best they can with the legs they're on.  but, much like Adams, a lot of you are gonna wanna throw them away this year only to enjoy them when healthy again next year.

GBFanForLife posted:

Only s person with a mental disorder would post as a "catt" on a football message board.

Why are we still talking about her?

ChilliJon posted:

Salty doesnt work. I believe the word you are looking for is, "toasty"

Not horny?

ChilliJon posted:

Salty doesnt work. I believe the word you are looking for is, "toasty"

Or Shwety

GBFanForLife posted:

Only s person with a mental disorder would post as a "catt" on a football message board.

Go Pack Go!

Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrse!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not my circus, not my monkey!

Timmy! posted:

Not my circus, not my monkey!

Go Pack Go!

Timmy and Catts  sitting in a tree...

Warms my heart.

Sorry, hon, definitely not me.
As matter of fact, you [catts] have been a member much longer than I, and I'm fairly certain you had this avatar since I joined.

Besides, I'm technically challenged....

I blame the Ruskies! They are EVIL!  

Except when a squirrel is on your head

Timmy! posted:

Sorry, hon, definitely not me.
As matter of fact, you [catts] have been a member much longer than I, and I'm fairly certain you had this avatar since I joined.

Besides, I'm technically challenged....

Go Pack Go!

Is that anything like a pancake on Craig Nall's head?

ChilliJon posted:

Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrse!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go Pack Go! 

Anyway, back to the topic on hand

Interesting:

Bob Holtzman ESPN 

Aaron Rodgers is 5-1 at Ford Field (not counting the 2010 game he left with a concussion) and there are some fascinating reasons why. Rodgers once told me Ford Field is more humid than most indoor stadiums and the football has always felt comfortable in his hand there. Randall Cobb told me a couple of years ago the field turf in Detroit is the exact style of turf the Packers have on their indoor practice field. Whatever works.

I mentioned this a few days ago, but it's worth highlighting again with the Packers and Lions now preparing to play for the NFC North. Detroit arrived home from Dallas early this morning. Green Bay has been resting and game planning since Saturday night. That's a 55.5 hour difference in prep time.

packerboi posted:

Anyway, back to the topic on hand

Interesting:

Bob Holtzman ESPN 

I mentioned this a few days ago, but it's worth highlighting again with the Packers and Lions now preparing to play for the NFC North. Detroit arrived home from Dallas early this morning. Green Bay has been resting and game planning since Saturday night. That's a 55.5 hour difference in prep time.

The schedule makers knew exactly what they were doing. This is just another way to make sure the Packers win. WWE 4-Life

Signed,

A Viking fan

Too bad the Vikings game is meaningless.

I'm glad to hear the players have a comfort zone there, because the crowd is going to be going apeshiite.  It is the one thing that has me really nervous about this game.  That and the Lions will be going for broke.

That crowd is, however, totally tame-able.  They are used to being let down, and if Rodgers & Co. get going early and the D can get some stops or a turnover, they'll be all "here we go again" and hopefully sit their hungover asses down.

packerboi posted:

Anyway, back to the topic on hand

Interesting:

Bob Holtzman ESPN 

Aaron Rodgers is 5-1 at Ford Field (not counting the 2010 game he left with a concussion) and there are some fascinating reasons why. Rodgers once told me Ford Field is more humid than most indoor stadiums and the football has always felt comfortable in his hand there. Randall Cobb told me a couple of years ago the field turf in Detroit is the exact style of turf the Packers have on their indoor practice field. Whatever works.

I mentioned this a few days ago, but it's worth highlighting again with the Packers and Lions now preparing to play for the NFC North. Detroit arrived home from Dallas early this morning. Green Bay has been resting and game planning since Saturday night. That's a 55.5 hour difference in prep time.

Go Pack Go!

Pistol GB posted:

I'm glad to hear the players have a comfort zone there, because the crowd is going to be going apeshiite.  It is the one thing that has me really nervous about this game.  That and the Lions will be going for broke.

That crowd is, however, totally tame-able.  They are used to being let down, and if Rodgers & Co. get going early and the D can get some stops or a turnover, they'll be all "here we go again" and hopefully sit their hungover asses down.

 

GB was up 31-10 at the half in week 3 against Detroit. Had to hang on for the win. There won't be any quit in Detroit on Sunday. GB has to play a 60 minute game on both sides. This will be the toughest test they have to run the regular season table. 

Totally agree Chili.  I know the Lions aren't going to quit. I'm talking about taking the crowd out of it early, so the game doesn't snowball against us.  

Need to play like we did in the Seattle game. Full 60 on O and D. End around to Janis....

quite frankly, the division was stolen from us last year, I want it back.  The trip to the big one starts here.  all aboard.

The division loss last year was a self inflicted flat tire on offense. It appears it took the first half of this year to fix that flat. It pisses me off it's come to this given the nearly 12 months that were wasted but it is what is. 

They had no option but to win 5 weeks in a row just to get to this point. Can't lose now. They've worked to damned hard. 

ChilliJon posted:

GB was up 31-10 at the half in week 3 against Detroit.  

It was 24-3 when they lost Cook and Randall. The DET TD just before half was against Randall's replacement Hawkins.