Dissecting 2015 Aaron Rodgers

You have to catch more than a break or two to win a SB. The Steelers were fitting a toe tag on Denvers season last year until their backup RB fumbled. And that's a week removed from Cincy giving the Steelers a gift win. 

The Patriots beat a Seattle team that had no ****ing business being there because Bostick had one effing job and that turned out to be an expectation overload. 

Micah Hyde squeezes Colin's pick in 2013 and who knows. SF rode that break to a near power outage comeback in Nola. 

Its hard to win a SB. You have to be really good and catch a few well timed gifts. Been that way forever. 

DH13 posted:

Ted Thompson is the one who built this roster, and despite Pro Football Focus' declaration that it is the second most talented roster in the league, it's a team that is far too reliant on its freakishly talented quarterback to carry them.

ouch.

The list is long that includes teams who needed a given player to play or they were in trouble.  Same thing could be said of the Favre Packers, the Bronco Nagurskie (spell?) Bears, the Luck(y) Colts, the Arnie Herber Packers, the Payton Manning Colts/Broncos, etc.  If you want all pros at every position, we would need to get rid of the salary cap.  Just not practical in this day and age. 

ChilliJon 

Micah Hyde squeezes Colin's pick in 2013 and who knows. SF rode that break to a near power outage comeback in Nola. 

Its hard to win a SB. You have to be really good and catch a few well timed gifts. Been that way forever. 

Micah Hyde's missed INT happened in 2014, 2013 is when Kaepernick annihilated Dom and went to the super bowl 

Fandame posted:

TE Rodgers... You have to wonder if he didn't put on the weight to help his blocking skills. 

Pretty obvious that didn't work.

All that training and Kaepernick only played in the game. Rodgers wouldn't have a ring had he grown up in the Fox Valley.

ChilliJon posted:

In the very near future. Colin Cowherd, Skip Bayless, and Jason Whitlock are going to realize half of America doesn't know Fox Sports 1 is an actual thing. The other half knows it is but has no idea what channel it's on. 

All three of them are going to slowly slip into oblivion. This is reason for all of us to celebrate with unbridled enthusiasm. 

And the third HALF avoids that channel because, you know, those guys are on there. Can they take Steven A with them?

GBFanForLife posted:

Isn't it feminine to have a lot of rings?

Hoping AR sprouts a vagina before his playing days are over.

You guys realize old sarge is just here to yank your chain.   

Ahhhh, the 'ol "Greatest Ever" and similar arguments....dynamically passionate but ultimately futile.
The way I see it, watching football has followed the ever-shortening attention span of the main demographic the league and advertisers chase. Too many want (expect?) instant results, and anything that happened more than 15 minutes ago is ancient history.
Since the SB was created, the first thing baby boomers began to forget were the league championships. Players/teams from previous eras are no longer considered in "greatest ever" discussions. That evolved into if a player (primarily QB) never won a SB, he can't be considered great. That has evolved into "how many rings" defining "greatest". 

The truth is that "greatest ever" players/teams are largely generational. Those of us that got to see Starr play consider him the greatest ever, and likewise the fans of Unitas, Tittle , VanBrocklin, et al.
Fans of the 70's likely consider Bradshaw, Staubach, etc. as their greatest ever.
Same for fans of the 80's and Montana, Theismann, maybe even Elway.
The 90's brought us the Young, Aikman, Elway (again), and eventually Favre. To this day, there's still plenty of people that consider him the greatest ever...
2000's brought us Brady, Roethlisberger, and eventually Rodgers, and suddenly nobody immediately considers each preceding era because if it isn't NOW, it doesn't matter.

Herschel posted:

The article is not particularly kind to DaVante, Richard Rodgers, the offensive tackles or Linsley.  

That's what I saw last season.  

cuqui posted:

Fandame posted:

TE Rodgers... You have to wonder if he didn't put on the weight to help his blocking skills. 

Pretty obvious that didn't work.

Bubba Rodgers at your service.

ChilliJon posted:

 Now how about you grab a can of settle the **** down and relax. 

They sell it in cans?  God damn doctor and his "suppositories only".

Timmy! posted:

Ahhhh, the 'ol "Greatest Ever" and similar arguments....dynamically passionate but ultimately futile.
The way I see it, watching football has followed the ever-shortening attention span of the main demographic the league and advertisers chase. Too many want (expect?) instant results, and anything that happened more than 15 minutes ago is ancient history.
Since the SB was created, the first thing baby boomers began to forget were the league championships. Players/teams from previous eras are no longer considered in "greatest ever" discussions. That evolved into if a player (primarily QB) never won a SB, he can't be considered great. That has evolved into "how many rings" defining "greatest". 

The truth is that "greatest ever" players/teams are largely generational. Those of us that got to see Starr play consider him the greatest ever, and likewise the fans of Unitas, Tittle , VanBrocklin, et al.
Fans of the 70's likely consider Bradshaw, Staubach, etc. as their greatest ever.
Same for fans of the 80's and Montana, Theismann, maybe even Elway.
The 90's brought us the Young, Aikman, Elway (again), and eventually Favre. To this day, there's still plenty of people that consider him the greatest ever...
2000's brought us Brady, Roethlisberger, and eventually Rodgers, and suddenly nobody immediately considers each preceding era because if it isn't NOW, it doesn't matter.

Tittle NEVER won a championship, lost every title game he played, including one to the Bears.

Did someone mention Dom Capers sucks?

I guffawed in a vocal manner that could be heard.

YATittle posted: 

Tittle NEVER won a championship, lost every title game he played, including one to the Bears.

 

That may be the saddest story of all time.
There are other QB's just as good with same or similar rotten luck I purposely excluded; Marino and Jim Kelly primarily. Great QB's who could never win it all.

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El-Ka-Bong posted:

Did someone mention Dom Capers sucks?

Wade Phillips has had farts into the wind that could scheme better than Dom Capers.

DH13 posted:

You guys realize old sarge is just here to yank your chain.   

The reaction to any opinions or ideas that don't fit the prevailing view of the few self righteous loudmouths here is really amazing to watch.

Talk about an absolute lack of diversity of opinion or fostering a forum for real discussion.

I can't be bullied and cow-towed like that.

Many here have apparently given up the fight and let these self righteous pricks think they are the last word on everything regarding the Green Bay Packers.

I just speak the truth...and call em as I see em.

Too damn bad if anyone doesn't like it.

Ron Wolf knows more than anyone here ever knew or will ever know.

Ron thinks one Super Bowl is a fart in the wind...and he's right.

It's just luck...nothing at all to do with greatness. 

Like it or not...that's where Aaron Rodgers sits right now.

Stats are for losers...we all know that. Hungry said so.

Grave Digger posted:

It's almost like winning a Super Bowl is difficult and requires a certain amount of luck. It's really strange that they won the SB being 1 of only 6 wildcard teams to accomplish that since 1970...with only 4 of those 6 winning 3 road games in the playoffs.  Ironically 2 of 6 teams in that list had to beat GB to win the SB, the '07 Giants and '97 Broncos. 

They're not one of the greatest teams of all time, no one has ever claimed that. Rodgers IS one of the greatest QBs of all time regardless of how his SB win happened. Peyton Manning just sat out a chunk of this season before going on to win a SB, does that tarnish his achievement? Winning a SB being #1 in offense and defense isn't any more impactful than winning as the wildcard that barely made it in the playoffs. Winning the SB is what counts.   

Yes your first paragraph underlines my point of it being lucky...that's why you point it out as such a rare occurence. Duh.

Rodgers could only be called one of the greatest of all time based on some statistics.

But as we all know...Hungry is adamant that STATS ARE FOR LOSERS.

That's a common theme here. You can't have it both ways.

To be one of the greatest QB's of all time requires multiple SB rings...at least two or more.

That's just how it's done.

Yes Peyton is in that group. And Starr and Bradshaw and Tom Brady.

But Rodgers will be a "Yeah But" until he get at least another ring.

Don't blame me...I'm just the messenger.

Everyone's SB is lucky. That's why teams go years without winning another one. It's why there are half a dozen or more all-time great QBs who have won 1 or less...or all-time great RBs or defensive players or coaches. Even 1 SB is validation that you're an all-time great, otherwise you're telling me that so many  great QBs achieved nothing. I'll take Aaron Rodgers, Dan Fouts, Steve Young, etc. over QBs like Eli Manning, Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, etc. that were good, but not all time great all around QBs. You're putting Rodgers and others in the same class as Trent Dilfer, Jim McMahon, Joe Flacco, etc. and that's beyond moronic. All time great status is based on a body of work, not just 1 criteria. 

oldschool posted:

The reaction to any opinions or ideas that don't fit the prevailing view of the few self righteous loudmouths here is really amazing to watch.

Talk about an absolute lack of diversity of opinion or fostering a forum for real discussion.

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I just speak the truth...and call em as I see em.

 

and yet here you are day after day.

edited for truth:
"I just speak the truth as I see it ...and call em as I see em."

now go ahead with the rest of your glorious self-righteous day

“I call 'em the way I see 'em. And, if I don’t see 'em, I make it up.” Biff Barf.

Hungry is adamant that STATS ARE FOR LOSERS.

McCarthy's line. Consistently I believe that stats don't always tell the specific story, but can provide a strong indication to trends.

Only 2 or 3 other QBs in my lifetime in the same neighborhood as Starr.

I guess Otto Graham sucks since he never won a "$uper Bowl"

And don't forget to include Dan MArino.

The last quarterback of the Quarterback Class of 1983 to be taken in the first round, Marino held or currently holds dozens of NFL records associated with the quarterback position. Despite never being on a Super Bowl-winning team, he is recognized as one of the greatest quarterbacks in American football history. Best remembered for his quick release and powerful arm, Marino led the Dolphins to the playoffs ten times in his seventeen-season career.

oldschool posted:

The reaction to any opinions or ideas that don't fit the prevailing view of the few self righteous loudmouths here is really amazing to watch.

Talk about an absolute lack of diversity of opinion or fostering a forum for real discussion.

I can't be bullied and cow-towed like that.

Many here have apparently given up the fight and let these self righteous pricks think they are the last word on everything regarding the Green Bay Packers.

I just speak the truth...and call em as I see em.

Too damn bad if anyone doesn't like it.

Ron Wolf knows more than anyone here ever knew or will ever know.

Ron thinks one Super Bowl is a fart in the wind...and he's right.

It's just luck...nothing at all to do with greatness. 

Like it or not...that's where Aaron Rodgers sits right now.

Stats are for losers...we all know that. Hungry said so.

 

That was noble albeit pointless rant Chef OldLof.  But remember this most of all . . .  Sprinkles are for Winners and x4sucks.

Hungry5 posted:

“I call 'em the way I see 'em. And, if I don’t see 'em, I make it up.” Biff Barf.

"47.1% of all statistics are made up on the spot".  - from The Family Guy show (I believe). 

ammo posted:

And don't forget to include Dan MArino.

The last quarterback of the Quarterback Class of 1983 to be taken in the first round, Marino held or currently holds dozens of NFL records associated with the quarterback position. Despite never being on a Super Bowl-winning team, he is recognized as one of the greatest quarterbacks in American football history. Best remembered for his quick release and powerful arm, Marino led the Dolphins to the playoffs ten times in his seventeen-season career.

If the Dolphins would have put more talent around Marino - especially after the Marks brothers and in his mid to later years, who knows, he might have been to more SBs and maybe even won one.  As it is, he once held the record for most TDs in a season. 

Henry posted:

That was noble albeit pointless rant Chef OldLof.  But remember this most of all . . .  Sprinkles are for Winners and x4sucks.

What?????!!!!!  No participation trophies on X4????!!!!!

Ghost of Lambeau posted:

"47.1% of all statistics are made up on the spot".  - from The Family Guy show (I believe). 

And stats are for losers.  Just look at 50 drunk Irish guys.

Hungry5 posted:

“I call 'em the way I see 'em. And, if I don’t see 'em, I make it up.” Biff Barf.

Based on your Cognitive Dissonance...I would score that as a direct hit to your overly emotional Packer self. 

There are a few here that just can't stand ANY alternate opinion other than their own...and then a bunch of enablers. 

Call em as I see em.

Grave Digger posted:

Everyone's SB is lucky. That's why teams go years without winning another one. It's why there are half a dozen or more all-time great QBs who have won 1 or less...or all-time great RBs or defensive players or coaches. Even 1 SB is validation that you're an all-time great, otherwise you're telling me that so many  great QBs achieved nothing. I'll take Aaron Rodgers, Dan Fouts, Steve Young, etc. over QBs like Eli Manning, Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, etc. that were good, but not all time greats. You're putting Rodgers and others in the same class as Trent Dilfer, Jim McMahon, Joe Flacco, etc. and that's beyond moronic. All time great status is based on a body of work, not just 1 criteria. 

All time Greats are measured by Championships.

Stats are just for Losers and Great QB's...good they may be...but NOT All Time Greatest.

It's sort of like saying Japan won WWII because they had the best hit rate on our Carriers.

You play to win the Game !

Battleship?  

So any QB who has won less than 2 championships is ultimately a loser like Japan. 

I feel bad for those mid-level greats like Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Steve Young and those low-level greats like Dan Fouts, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly and Fran Tarkenton. They'll never be as great as Eli Manning and there's nothing they can do about it. 

Does that make Fouts, Marino, Kelly and Tarkenton Vichy France?

Old school is right, there is not enough difference of opinion on this message board.  To much groupthink.  

In an unrelated note, strike outs are no worse than any other out and McCarthy was right to kick the extra point and let overtime sort it out.  

Number of championships is just another statistic.  I prefer to appreciate the greatness of a player without getting caught up in statistics.

More like the Swiss or the Irish. Nothing gained, nothing lost. They were just there and accomplished nothing.